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Re: Adam Goodes
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Jon Brown makes a good point re Goodes interacting with the crowd. That's the main issue I was disappointed with what Goodes did.
Players shouldn't interact with the crowd, let alone in a 'war cry' which was an aggressive gesture.
Just play footy.
Remember Dusty's handcuffs?
Players shouldn't interact with the crowd, let alone in a 'war cry' which was an aggressive gesture.
Just play footy.
Baloo said:
Remember Dusty's handcuffs?
YinnarTiger said:
Thanks for this.
I often find myself agreeing with the gist of Bolt's arguments, if not the way they're expressed - he does try a little too hard to be controversial and "edgy", which is what got him into strife.
Agree with a lot of Smith's column as well. But
"celebration"..."war cry"... Stretching here.
Goodes himself denied it was a reaction to the crowd. Are we to take him at his word, or not?
Goodes is an AFL poster boy and the League will support him in anything short of assault.
"Rather than be intimidated or antagonistic against another form of cultural expression, maybe its the precursor to cultural expression and dance becoming a really significant part of the next 100 years of our game."
- Jason "Rendell" Mifsud
Utter baloney Jason you useless arsewipe. Any fool sportsman running at the crowd mimicking the use of a weapon is going to be booed (or worse), no matter his creed or colour.
dances like that are common at Indigenous events. Prime Ministers, and probably the Queen have sat and had arms waved and invisible spears thrown at them. i suppose he could have danced like a kangaroo but im not sure it would have been quite so noteworthy.
and was there pages of indignant outcry about him inciting opposition fans? im guessing not.
O'Laughlin getting in the face of an Eagles supported has been widely celebrated over the years.
tigertim said:
and was there pages of indignant outcry about him inciting opposition fans? im guessing not.
O'Laughlin getting in the face of an Eagles supported has been widely celebrated over the years.
tigertim said:
Richo was making light of his inaccurate kicking and signalling a behind.
Well it's as believable as the AFL's propaganda.
I think Nathan Brown also got it for giving fans the finger when he was at the Dogs. Gardiner was pilloried by the media for the handcuffs symbol on the field, too.LeeToRainesToRoach said:
My biggest issue with racism talk in this country is the tendency for everyone to accuse the rest of Australia as ignorant and/or racist if they don't completely approve of everything said and/or done by a minority ethnicity.
Adam Goodes is fast to label 'you' as ignorant and lacking of understanding and that leads to instinctive defensiveness because it's an attack on one's character; an attack on the amount of respect one should hold within society. People don't like being told they're bad, ignorant people without a clear reason. The standard response? Join in the chorus of accusing everyone else of being racist, so you feel like a respectable member of society again.
For every 100 opinions I hear about this issue, I can't remember anybody actually sounding overtly racist. If you want to see racism, watch "Burning in Mississippi" or a documentary on Australian settlement.
By large, people aren't racist anymore.
Society has been reduced to subtle subconscious micro feelings instinctive in all people, including Adam towards whites.
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Indigenous people have lived in Australia for up to 50,000 years, yet Adam's "traditional" spear dance was created 6 years ago and was unknown to the rest of society. When he pulls it out of nowhere and directs an imaginary spear at the crowd, he accuses the nation of being ignorant for not associating it with the famous Haka dance directed at opposition players in a prearranged setting.
Adam certainly loves to look down on white Australians with disgust. Fact is, there are very few actual racists out there anymore, yet he talks as if half the nation has a problem.
Adam Goodes is fast to label 'you' as ignorant and lacking of understanding and that leads to instinctive defensiveness because it's an attack on one's character; an attack on the amount of respect one should hold within society. People don't like being told they're bad, ignorant people without a clear reason. The standard response? Join in the chorus of accusing everyone else of being racist, so you feel like a respectable member of society again.
For every 100 opinions I hear about this issue, I can't remember anybody actually sounding overtly racist. If you want to see racism, watch "Burning in Mississippi" or a documentary on Australian settlement.
By large, people aren't racist anymore.
Society has been reduced to subtle subconscious micro feelings instinctive in all people, including Adam towards whites.
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Indigenous people have lived in Australia for up to 50,000 years, yet Adam's "traditional" spear dance was created 6 years ago and was unknown to the rest of society. When he pulls it out of nowhere and directs an imaginary spear at the crowd, he accuses the nation of being ignorant for not associating it with the famous Haka dance directed at opposition players in a prearranged setting.
Adam certainly loves to look down on white Australians with disgust. Fact is, there are very few actual racists out there anymore, yet he talks as if half the nation has a problem.
Chimptastic said:
well said although I feel that there are a lot of racist people in this country but the vast majority are silent about it. They'll say something behind closed doors or after a few beers or when really frustrated.
On another tangent, I was watching Shark Tank the other night and a woman had a product called "Pickaninny" and one of the "sharks" was so careful to comment on the name and mention how it might be seem as a derogatory term. The woman ( who was Indig) said "no, everyone back home uses that term and we don't have a problem with it". So here was a white fella telling the Indig woman that the term "Pickaninny" was insulting.
She ended up changing the name of her range of clothes......
At least mainstream media is including Goodes' other on field behaviour (staging for frees, knees in the back, head high hits etc) in their columns.
Chimptastic said:
Disagree with most of that. Especially that paragraph about the spear/dance. Goodes never accused anyone of being ignorant, he simply challenged people to educate themselves about things that they no nothing about. And the bit about Goodes loving to look down on white Australians with disgust????
This post is a perfect example of the attitudes that exist that are being challenged.
