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Re: Adam Goodes

rosy23 said:
If Goodes chooses to use his football career to spruik his message he'd surely have to expect to cop some flak from football supporters who don't agree.
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I did ask this before Rosy but what is this "message" that you think is so disagreeable to supporters?

IMO he is simply raising awareness of indigenous disadvantage. He is simply asking people to be a little more open minded and accepting of differences. He is asking for understanding. How can that be anything other than positive?

I think in 20 years time he will be remembered much the same as Long is now, as an important voice for change in attitudes.
 
rosy23 said:
Thanks Gia. Some food for thought there. I'd love to see the day everyone is treated equally. Not sure about the welfare one. Non-indigenous Aussies are also subject to welfare rules. It can be abused but someone needs to protect the vulnerable, especially in regards to child abuse and domestic violence. A lot of babies are still taken from their mothers at birth. I find it really sad but even sadder would be seeing a starving, neglected, possibly drug addicted toddler regardless of whether they're black, white or brindle.

The issue I have with Adam Goodes is that he's confrontational, divisive and political. He hits out rather than embraces. Michael Long on the other hand is non-political and strives to be inclusive of everyone. Far less us and them. Far less blame and resentment and more working for a better future. Martin Flanagan discussed the differences in the two on the radio yesterday.

He also said

In the past 2 years Goodes' actions have disappointingly caused conflict and division in a round that's designed for celebration and unity. I don't think he's done much good for the cause at all.
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Totally agree, and you can add my favourite and more respectable Nicky Winmar alongside Michael Long who deserves Australian of the Year.
 
(Surprisingly) good article by Jake Niall in today's Age. He discussed the idea of Challengers (eg Spike Lee and Jesse Jackson) and Bargainers (including Oprah Winfrey, Tiger and Obama). He did not suggest one or other approach is more effective, but he did imply that both were important in their own way.
 
I respect Goodes immensely and what he has accomplished on and off the field. But irrespective of his skin colour, I find him an unlikeable footballer. The same way I find Juddy and Boomer unlikeable and the way that many dislike Ballantyne, and opposition fans hate Jack.

Goodes whinges to the umpires, indulges in dirty play, drop knees in and dives. I think that most of the fans that boo him do so for those reasons, not his skin colour. Michael Christian on SEN last night had a great point. If the booing of Goodes is racist, why aren't all indigenous players booed?

Are there racist idiots out there? Absolutely, but don't lump the majority of passionate footy fans in with some bad eggs.
 
St Kevin said:
Goodes whinges to the umpires, indulges in dirty play, drop knees in and dives. I think that most of the fans that boo him do so for those reasons, not his skin colour. Michael Christian on SEN last night had a great point. If the booing of Goodes is racist, why aren't all indigenous players booed?

Are there racist idiots out there? Absolutely, but don't lump the majority of passionate footy fans in with some bad eggs.
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People don't boo Goodes for those reasons at all. They like to think they do but they don't.

And Christian's point has been raised a lot of times and is also nonsense. Goodes challenges the lay football supporter (and community) to at least stop and think, other aboriginal players don't do that and hence don't get booed.
 
jb03 said:
People don't boo Goodes for those reasons at all. They like to think they do but they don't.

And Christian's point has been raised a lot of times and is also nonsense. Goodes challenges the lay football supporter (and community) to at least stop and think, other aboriginal players don't do that and hence don't get booed.
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So you know what hundreds of people are thinking when they boo? Please enlighten us. If I was a booer I'd probably boo him myself. No racist connotations at all. More a judgement on an individual person.
 
jb03 said:
People don't boo Goodes for those reasons at all. They like to think they do but they don't.

And Christian's point has been raised a lot of times and is also nonsense. Goodes challenges the lay football supporter (and community) to at least stop and think, other aboriginal players don't do that and hence don't get booed.
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Is your ability to read minds a help or a hindrance? Mel Gibson look out. Get over yourself.
 
jb03 said:
People don't boo Goodes for those reasons at all. They like to think they do but they don't.

And Christian's point has been raised a lot of times and is also nonsense. Goodes challenges the lay football supporter (and community) to at least stop and think, other aboriginal players don't do that and hence don't get booed.
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Yeh, its pretty obvious JB. Christian's point is nonsense, someone like Buddy has a pretty poor record for striking (and he does plenty of looking for frees as do most forwards) yet he isn't booed.
 
St Kevin said:
Is your ability to read minds a help or a hindrance? Mel Gibson look out. Get over yourself.
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:rofl

Super powers are all the rage at the moment. Still I reckon jb is pumping his up a tad.
 
St Kevin said:
Is your ability to read minds a help or a hindrance? Mel Gibson look out. Get over yourself.
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Doesn't require reading minds compare the treatment of Goodes to the treatment of other indigenous players and other players who stretch the boundaries of sportsmanship. He is treated worse than both. Some undoubtedly boo him because of his on field stuff but a lot don't.
 
IanG said:
Doesn't require reading minds compare the treatment of Goodes to the treatment of other indigenous players and other players who stretch the boundaries of sportsmanship. He is treated worse than both. Some undoubtedly boo him because of his on field stuff but a lot don't.
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Maybe not for you but jb said ....

jb03 said:
People don't boo Goodes for those reasons at all. They like to think they do but they don't.

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Is that, or is that not, a massive generalisation based on personal opinion rather than fact? There would be a myriad of reasons...partly even mob mentality that's common at footy grounds. Goodes chose to make the game his political soap box so he is open game on the footy field as far as I'm concerned.
 
rosy23 said:
Maybe not for you but jb said ....

Is that, or is that not, a massive generalisation based on personal opinion rather than fact? There would be a myriad of reasons...partly even mob mentality that's common at footy grounds. Goodes chose to make the game his political soap box so he is open game on the footy field as far as I'm concerned.
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So raising awareness of indigenous inequality is getting on your soap box? So attempting to be a role model for young indigenous people is offensive to some?

I'm still trying to work out just exactly what these messages Goodes has conveyed are that are so offensive? Be proud of your culture? Be proud of your heritage? If you are ignorant to something maybe try and learn about it?
 
Good on Goodes. I loved the war dance.

As Tiger fan Waleed Aly said on Offsiders this morning, Australians are very tolerant until a member of a minority 'forgets his place', then it's 'back in your box'. That's what I reckon is happening here, even if its subconscious and not racist in the sense of thinking he's inferior because of his Aboriginality.

I hope he keeps forgetting his place well after he retires from footy. He can make a difference, this bloke.
 
spook said:
Good on Goodes. I loved the war dance.

As Tiger fan Waleed Aly said on Offsiders this morning, Australians are very tolerant until a member of a minority 'forgets his place', then it's 'back in your box'. That's what I reckon is happening here, even if its subconscious and not racist in the sense of thinking he's inferior because of his Aboriginality.

I hope he keeps forgetting his place well after he retires from footy. He can make a difference, this bloke.
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Yeah, Goodes is a beauty.

Wish he were a 15 year tiger player. Imagine any tiger supporter booing him. You'd have to be nuts.
 
Gr at to see some sanity return to this thread. Many of us like black folk... As long as they behave like white folk.
 
glantone said:
Yeah, Goodes is a beauty.

Wish he were a 15 year tiger player. Imagine any tiger supporter booing him. You'd have to be nuts.
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Oh, mate. Purely on-field, he's an all-time great. My brother still reminds me that he watched Goodes dominate his TAC Cup grand final and was gobsmacked he fell to pick 40-whatever.
 
spook said:
Good on Goodes. I loved the war dance.

As Tiger fan Waleed Aly said on Offsiders this morning, Australians are very tolerant until a member of a minority 'forgets his place', then it's 'back in your box'. That's what I reckon is happening here, even if its subconscious and not racist in the sense of thinking he's inferior because of his Aboriginality.

I hope he keeps forgetting his place well after he retires from footy. He can make a difference, this bloke.
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Well said.
Not just indigenous, he's one of the best footballers of any race I have ever seen. Can play every position on the park with an incredible desire to win. Future Hall of Famer.
 
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