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Re: Adam Goodes
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KnightersRevenge said:
IS it racist to call Andy Kellaway an neanderthal, to call the Rocca boys apes, to call players gorillas, chimps and various other primates, to portray and caricature Dyer, Skilton and Richards as monkeys? For all we know any of those could have some indigenous blood. Would that suddenly make it less acceptable?
The "racist" card gets played too often and usually when reasoned argument fails.
For example, Qatar are now claiming that any attempt to strip them of the 2022 Worldf Cup is racist.
For example, Qatar are now claiming that any attempt to strip them of the 2022 Worldf Cup is racist.
IanG said:
So if the young girl called Shane Edwards an ape and he didn't take offence she wasn't being racist according to AFL policy? Adam showed no outward offence and being called an ape and a monkey previously in his career but chose to make a big note of himself at the expense of a child in the Indigenous round. If a player didn't hear a comment and therefore naturally didn't take offence would that be defined as non racist? No wonder so many are absolutely certain the young girl Goodes singled as the face of racism, who denied knowledge of the connotations, was being racist. :blah
rosy23 said:
No Rosy, but that misses the point by a mile. If I call a white haired, white skinned 7th generation Aussie a daygo will he/she be offended? Likely not as that particular slur carries no meaning for her. Racial slurs have meaning in context. The girls intention or knowledge is not the point and has never been the point. Focussing on her is a smokescreen. Are Australians racist? Yes. Does that mean ALL Australians? No. Does that mean we shouldn't talk about it? No. Does that mean Goodes was wrong to call out a crass anchronistic (that's for you L2R2R) racial slur? No. Why? Because there are plenty of anachronistic neanderthal Aussies who go to the footy and call out racist crap, and boo Goodes. Where do you think she heard it?
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Often? No. But I haven't spent any time in the top end, but I've heard stories. I agree I don't think she understood the deeper context of what she said. I just don't think that is germain to this discussion. I don't think he "milked" it. I think he used a real event to highlight an issue that many prefer to keep hidden. I've had many discussions on here about "casual racism" and there plenty that think people need tougher hydes. I agree up to a point but it seeps over into actual discrimination and the treatment of Australias first peoples including health and incarceration point to a very big problem where racism is simply the thin end of the wedge. Goodes puts it in peoples faces and dares you to look away. I applaud him for it.
I don't know where the girl heard it, same as I don't know where the people who use similar phrases on here heard them. He chose the stage to make the call just the same. Obviously, and by his own admission, he had plenty of prior opportunities over his career but kept quiet. Bring on the Indigenous round spotlight and a young girl and regardless of how she'd be humiliated or embarrassed he took it on himself to highlight her and dub her the face of racism. People don't seem to think that matters but to many it does. As a mother I was horrified at how the big bully treated her. Basically all he said about Eddie McGuire, who knew full well the connotations of what he said a few days later, was that he no longer considered him a friend. You may well call mentioning it "bleating" Knighters but to me it spoke volumes about Adam Goodes and removed any respect I might have had for him. He's doing his cause more harm than good imo. Too divisive, resentful and damning of white Australia. If people don't move on for a united future rather than an us and them mentality we'll never have any semblance of equality and unity. I haven't spoken to a single person who feels differently about Adam.
I am shocked at some replies in this thread and the guise they masquerade under. Thankyou for the posts from KnightersRevenge and Tigers Of Old and Spook to name a few, sanity prevails.
Jason King said:
No guise. I'd boo a white AOTY equally for telling me my life is built on lies.
KnightersRevenge said:
Not too sure of the intent behind this, so I'll let it fly for now. I've already stated his initial reaction was perfectly understandable. I don't think my attitude on this point is unreasonable.
Adam Goodes wants an inclusive Australia and then plays in a team that represent 's the country but bans white players from playing in the team talk about double standard's .
The Australian of the year award and the way Goodes used his award also upset people .I think alot of people were upset that Goodes seemed to be the indigenous Australian of the year not the Australian of the year .
I'm not a fan of him , but I don't boo him and I'm not a racist .
Italian heritage , been called a wog thousands of times water off a ducks back for me married to a Russian so I think I have a pretty open mind about the different cultures out there .
The Australian of the year award and the way Goodes used his award also upset people .I think alot of people were upset that Goodes seemed to be the indigenous Australian of the year not the Australian of the year .
I'm not a fan of him , but I don't boo him and I'm not a racist .
Italian heritage , been called a wog thousands of times water off a ducks back for me married to a Russian so I think I have a pretty open mind about the different cultures out there .
69 vintage said:
Your heritage or marital choice does not exclude you or anyone from racist attitudes vintage. My father in law was born in Italy and came to Aust at 8, he is very racist - Asians, blacks, he doesn't like them. Part through experience, part through having a diet of today tonight and a current affair but like most it's ignorance that drives the attitude.
