Re: Adam Goodes

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

I liked Goodes as Australian of the Year, he challenged Australians to explore the past and assess their own or others' casual racism.

He made a statement claiming Australia's modern prosperity was built on the back of rape & murder of/theft from Aboriginals. When he forfeits his worldly possessions and retires to a traditional life on the land, I'll reconsider my opinion.

 

[AMPS]

Seems pretty obvious to me that Goodes is booed due to calling out the girl in conjunction with the provocative statements he made while Australian of the Year.

I don't like his ducking and playing for frees either but they in no wait equate to the level of booing he is receiving. Though it is impossible to kick anyone out because of the booing as the booing in itself is not actual irrefutable evidence of racism.

I liked Goodes as Australian of the Year, he challenged Australians to explore the past and assess their own or others' casual racism.

Spot on. Love how SEN conducted a straw poll on it this morning and surprise surprise all thought Patrick smiths article was garbage, and the hate for Goodes has nothing to do with his race. Of course it's race, it gives the casual racist the perfect opportunity to boo him. Racism is alive and well. Just go to a country footy game.

 

[jb03]

Why Hawks fans only then? He wasn't booed in other games.

Storm in a teacup. It's done to put them off. Part of footy culture as it's always been.

He has been booed in more games than just the Hawks game.

 

[IanG]

Seems pretty obvious to me that Goodes is booed due to calling out the girl in conjunction with the provocative statements he made while Australian of the Year.

I don't like his ducking and playing for frees either but they in no wait equate to the level of booing he is receiving. Though it is impossible to kick anyone out because of the booing as the booing in itself is not actual irrefutable evidence of racism.

I liked Goodes as Australian of the Year, he challenged Australians to explore the past and assess their own or others' casual racism.

Spot on JB.

 

[IanG]

Please don't boo anymore according to Adam Goodes its racist :

Where has he said this? This is what he says from the AFL website:
"It doesn't affect me whilst I'm playing, but it affects my family, my partner and friends who are at the game and they are just trying to understand why," said Goodes at the launch of the AFL Indigenous Round in Sydney on Tuesday.

"I don't know why. You'd have to go around and ask all those Hawthorn supporters, the people who come to the ground, what their problem is with me."

 

[Brodders17]

He made a statement claiming Australia's modern prosperity was built on the back of rape & murder of/theft from Aboriginals. When he forfeits his worldly possessions and retires to a traditional life on the land, I'll reconsider my opinion.

that is always a stupid stupid argument.

 

[Al Bundy]

Woah, so if Hird gets booed then what?! What does Goooodddie think then.

What if any player gets booed on the field. Best Booers are in WA they are a scream to watch and hear.

So we should control all the crowd now too, the crowd should stay seated at all time, clap hands, no perceived negative sounds or remarks. Maybe at the end of the game get up and clap both teams, clap umpires coming of the field too. Just a thought maybe like the little league no scores so we dont have any negative thoughts by anyone at any game. Lets just go another step further to please Goooodes. he keeps setting the bar higher we should maybe go further. Maybe a continuos auto-queue to tell the crowd like an audience what they should do. yeah I can see what he might be illuding too as it should not be a comeptive sport anymore but a nice peaceful day out watching a nice feel good spectical

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

that is always a stupid stupid argument.

Why? He implied the rest of us were benefiting but he wasn't. Utter hypocrisy and an absolute abuse of the role. "Ask not what your country can do for you", it wasn't.

Booooooooooooooooooooo!

 

[Brodders17]

Why? He implied the rest of us were benefiting but he wasn't. Utter hypocrisy and an absolute abuse of the role. "Ask not what your country can do for you", it wasn't.

Booooooooooooooooooooo!

i dont care if people boo Goodes, i hope it is not because of his stance on race issues though.

as for what he said, what part of it was wrong? Indigenous Australians were murdered, chased off good land, women were raped, massacres happened, Aboriginal people were not paid for work they did and Australia is a richer (financially) country because of it. Islanders were traded as slaves. this is part of Australian history and trying to deny it or hide it does noone any favours.

 

[Giardiasis]

i dont care if people boo Goodes, i hope it is not because of his stance on race issues though.

as for what he said, what part of it was wrong? Indigenous Australians were murdered, chased off good land, women were raped, massacres happened, Aboriginal people were not paid for work they did and Australia is a richer (financially) country because of it. Islanders were traded as slaves. this is part of Australian history and trying to deny it or hide it does noone any favours.

It is a fallacy that slavery results in higher economic growth. It is the productivity of labour that matters, and labour is far more productive when people are free to choose their employment arrangements.

 

[AMPS]

It is a fallacy that slavery results in higher economic growth. It is the productivity of labour that matters, and labour is far more productive when people are free to choose their employment arrangements.

This may be true but essentially irrelevant to the fact that Indigenous Australians were as Brodders points out persecuted.

And I have no doubt the vociferous defence by some is because they know the real reason they boo.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

i dont care if people boo Goodes, i hope it is not because of his stance on race issues though.

as for what he said, what part of it was wrong? Indigenous Australians were murdered, chased off good land, women were raped, massacres happened, Aboriginal people were not paid for work they did and Australia is a richer (financially) country because of it. Islanders were traded as slaves. this is part of Australian history and trying to deny it or hide it does noone any favours.

I'm aware of that, it was drilled into us in primary school. I didn't commit those acts, nor my father or his father. I'm 100% comfortable with my attitude towards Aboriginals. I regard them as "special" - not in a negative sense at all - but not so special that they're entitled to sit around saying "Gimme".

Perhaps Goodes isn't accepted by some of his own and experiences guilt? Whatever, Australian of the Year is not a mandate to make divisive remarks. Great men do not divide. He was (supposedly) representing all of us. He was a poor choice.

I don't wish to harp on about this as his remarks were made some time ago. Just offering up the reason why I'd boo. Others may choose to boo for any of the reasons already mentioned, including racism, or just join in through mob mentality like the "Hadlee's a wanker" chant.

 

[Giardiasis]

This may be true but essentially irrelevant to the fact that Indigenous Australians were as Brodders points out persecuted.

His point was that Australia is richer on the back of not paying Indigenous Australian's for work. This is false. That point has nothing to do with the question of justice.

It is important to highlight that "Australia" is not a real thing, so when Brodders was saying Australia is a richer country, I assume he meant the aggregate of all individual Australian's wealth.

 

[martyshire]

IMO only a small proportion of the booing is due to racism (say 10%). Some due to the ducking etc (10%) and some simply due to him being a high profile opposition player that is in the media a lot (10%). The same reason most of us dislike Eddie.

The rest of the booing is simply people joining in.

I remember chanting (Richard) Hadley's a W&^%& when I was about 9 at the cricket with my brother. I had no idea what I was saying...but it was fun.

 

[Ian4]

The booing of Goodes is nothing but a disgrace.

don't often disagree with you TOO, but I do on this one. goodes has been a champion footballer, but he's is nothing but a sook and a cheat (and a bit of a sniper) who has taken advantage of preferential umpiring treatment over the years. this has absolutely nothing to do with race and anyone who dares to suggest this is a muppet (I can't stand joel selwood for the same reasons and I was clapping when that Carlton player vented their frustration at him last week). he has made the issue worse by once again sooking to the media about it. this is only gonna bring more boos.

 

[martyshire]

*Hadlee even.

See!? I didn't even know how to spell what I was chanting. :-[

 

[IanG]

don't often disagree with you TOO, but I do on this one. goodes has been a champion footballer, but he's is nothing but a sook and a cheat (and a bit of a sniper) who has taken advantage of preferential umpiring treatment over the years. this has absolutely nothing to do with race and anyone who dares to suggest this is a muppet (I can't stand joel selwood for the same reasons and I was clapping when that Carlton player vented their frustration at him last week). he has made the issue worse by once again sooking to the media about it. this is only gonna bring more boos.

From what I understand the booing of Goodes has been significantly greater than for Selwood and yet IMHO Selwood's ducking is far worse than what Goodes has done. And how was he sooking about it if this is in relation to the story on the AFL website he was clearly asked a question he hasn;t gone out of his way to 'sook'. And again I ask is there any other source for him actually saying it was racist cause he doesn't say it in the article on the AFL website and I can't see another source.

 

[Chiang Mai Tiger]

The booing of Goodes is nothing but a disgrace.

You are only right ToO if people boo him because of his race, color or creed.

Me, I hate him for none of the reasons above and give it to him (via the TV screen) every time he gets near the ball.

As a footballer I rank him right down there with Ditterich, Tuddenham, Rhys-Jones, Diesel Williams and that little pr!ck Ballantyne

 

[jb03]

Might have to boo Miles, he is a bit of a ducker

 

[newyorktiger]

I saw the Swans v Hawks game on TV. The level of vehemence was a lot stronger than that of all current day players.