Re: Adam Goodes

[Rosy]

You have pointed to reverse situations where you or others have been abused by Indigenous. It comes across as tit for tat and as though there is no difference. That is what I don't understand in terms of "your stance". I agree that all racism is bad I just don't agree that all racism is the same.

I don't think it's tit for tat at all in the examples I gave. Very much one way traffic actually. I don't think racist sledges are acceptable, or should be condoned, from anyone. Some may think it's acceptable from Aboriginals cos they've had a tragic past, and a couple on here have alluded to that viewpoint, but it can serve to perpetuate the problem.

 

[Willo]

Taking the girl's word at face value, that she didn't know it was a racial comment is fair enough imo. But the truly sad indictment is that she didn't know and going by comments on PRE neither did a lot of others.
Goes more to the point of more "education" is needed by society as a whole. Ignorance is still rife.
But to me, Goodes may have had ample opportunities previously (going by his comments) to bring this to the fore. Why he didn't, I've no idea. It's something only he knows.
But until you "walk in their shoes" it's something that a lot don't experience.
But there is a point too, that it's a two way street. Respect and being educated as to what's acceptable should be paramount to all colours, creeds and religions. Not just one portion (or colour) of society.

I'm not sure it's a sad indictment that people weren't aware of the fact the comment could be racist. To me it's a good thing they've never experienced or come across that usage or interpretation of the word in their life. I certainly hadn't.

I'm not sure whether you got my point or not when I said it was a "sad indictment". The paragraph following that may have explained the point I was making. That being, more education is required to make people aware.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

I don't think it's tit for tat at all in the examples I gave. Very much one way traffic actually. I don't think racist sledges are acceptable, or should be condoned, from anyone. Some may think it's acceptable from Aboriginals cos they've had a tragic past, and a couple on here have alluded to that viewpoint, but it can serve to perpetuate the problem.

Point to anywhere that I have said it is "acceptable". I have said only that it is not the same and as such I don't think your comparison is valid. When you walk away after you, or whoever, has been sledged you will still be a member of a group that controls the wealth (by and large) has a greater life expectancy, has had better schooling and has grown up in a culture that values that schooling which in turn has afforded you better chances as an adult. For all their sledging they will still not be a member of that group. People might well say "be it in their own hands" to change that, but that doesn't change the facts. And because of that it makes the two examples far from equal.

In general I think we are in furious agreement that all insults and offensive behaviour are distasteful. We would all like to go to the footy, support our side, bag the umpires and win. There will always be "banter" and it will often skirt decency and sometimes the funniest stuff will be over the line just a bit. But Australia has an unfortunate history when it comes to racism of all sorts and an open wound when it comes to Indigenous Australians. For that reason we need to be "more" sensitive. Most of the other racism relates to Europeans and their cultural feuds that they bring with them with a little bit of the old colonial stuff still under the surface. The difference is that Europeans can by and large integrate into a white westernised society fairly easily and make a go of it. That is why I maintain that it is different Rosy. Not better or worse, but definitely different.

 

[Rosy]

Point to anywhere that I have said it is "acceptable".

Not sure why you ask me that. I certainly never mentioned that you said it.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

Not sure why you ask me that. I certainly never mentioned that you said it.

True, but then neither has anybody else so in what way is it relevant to this discussion?

 

[Rosy]

True, but then neither has anybody else so in what way is it relevant to this discussion?

I stand by my comment.

Out of interest are you aware of the racial connotations and stereotyping of knick knack paddywhack which you recently posted? A few years ago we had an Irish poster, from memory he's still here, who took great offence at negative, racist and condescending comments made in jest about the Irish.

We all have our different feelings, interpretations and tolerances. What offends some is water off a duck's back to others. What some say in jest can hurt others. What is said to insult others can lead to future prejudices. Of course it's different but if we differentiate due to a tragic history we only perpetuate the problem imo. All Australians, and all people, should be more considerate of others' feelings. Name calling and deliberate personal insults, whether in jest or whether to inflict hurt, don't help anyone.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

I stand by my comment.

Out of interest are you aware of the racial connotations and stereotyping of knick knack paddywhack which you recently posted? A few years ago we had an Irish poster, from memory he's still here, who took great offence at negative, racist and condescending comments made in jest about the Irish.

We all have our different feelings, interpretations and tolerances. What offends some is water off a duck's back to others. What some say in jest can hurt others. What is said to insult others can lead to future prejudices. Of course it's different but if we differentiate due to a tragic history we only perpetuate the problem imo. All Australians, and all people, should be more considerate of others' feelings. Name calling and deliberate personal insults, whether in jest or whether to inflict hurt, don't help anyone.

I am all too aware Rosy. It was me. On your general point I agree.

 

[evo]

Out of interest are you aware of the racial connotations and stereotyping of knick knack paddywhack which you recently posted?

I had to go and look that one up to see why it is racist and the more recent complaint about it. Wow, that is definitely a good example of "PC gone mad".

"Paddywhack" was slang for the neck tendon of a sheep. Apparently it was given to dogs as a treat - just like bones are. The rhyme couldn't be more innocent if it tried.

 

[glantone]

Biggest day of the season for indigenous players, and on this day of all days Goodes hears someone in the crowd calling him an ape - the straw that breaks the camel’s back perhaps. Wrong sledge, wrong place, wrong time. Bad luck little girl.
Who knows on any other day he may have ignored it like he has in the past.

Calling a 4 time all Australian 3 time best & fairest dual brownlow medalist who has played over 300 games of bone crunching footy ‘a squib’ is a study in itself – classic victim blaming.

What if the kid was even younger, say 7 or 8 years old and what if the kid called him a nigger? Should he ignore that because it came from the paddle pop kid?

 

[Tigion]

Please don't boo anymore according to Adam Goodes its racist :

 

[Willo]

Please don't boo anymore according to Adam Goodes its racist :

Boo hoo

 

[TigerForce]

Please don't boo anymore according to Adam Goodes its racist :

I thought he knew by now that it's related to his stage diving. Opposition fans just do it to make players lose concentration.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Haven't been to a game involving Goodes for a couple of years, but I'd boo him for some of the comments he made while wearing his Australian of the Year hat.

 

[jb03]

I thought he knew by now that it's related to his stage diving. Opposition fans just do it to make players lose concentration.

Don't think either of those statements is correct at all TF.

 

[TigerForce]

Don't think either of those statements is correct at all TF.

From my experience, opposition fans booed great players like Goodes to put them off. Just like the Hawks fans did it with their old mate Buddy.

How do you see it jimbob? Doubt it's got anything to do with racism. If it is, then the booers should be kicked out instantly.

 

[Midsy]

Should've kept his mouth shut. It's nothing but pantomime now and will continue until people get bored. He needs to just let it go and it'll disappear.

 

[jb03]

From my experience, opposition fans booed great players like Goodes to put them off. Just like the Hawks fans did it with their old mate Buddy.

How do you see it jimbob? Doubt it's got anything to do with racism. If it is, then the booers should be kicked out instantly.

Seems pretty obvious to me that Goodes is booed due to calling out the girl in conjunction with the provocative statements he made while Australian of the Year.

I don't like his ducking and playing for frees either but they in no wait equate to the level of booing he is receiving. Though it is impossible to kick anyone out because of the booing as the booing in itself is not actual irrefutable evidence of racism.

I liked Goodes as Australian of the Year, he challenged Australians to explore the past and assess their own or others' casual racism.

 

[TigerForce]

Seems pretty obvious to me that Goodes is booed due to calling out the girl in conjunction with the provocative statements he made while Australian of the Year.

Why Hawks fans only then? He wasn't booed in other games.

Storm in a teacup. It's done to put them off. Part of footy culture as it's always been.

 

[Tigers of Old]

The booing of Goodes is nothing but a disgrace.

 

[poppa x]

Some players simply get booed for being who they are.
Ballantyne is a good example.
Goodes is in the Ballantyne basket.
Just got a persona I want to boo.
I don't like him - or Ballantyne.
Nothing to do with skin colour.