jb03 said:
IMO - Turnbull, Hockey & Smith are streets in front of anybody else in parliament at the moment........
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IMO - Turnbull, Hockey & Smith are streets in front of anybody else in parliament at the moment........
rosy23 said:
I imagine many men of his generation would feel like he does about these things. Just as many would also have a tendency to racism. They are a product of their times. I definitelty don't condone those attitudes but can understand how they have been formed.
I would like to know from his wife and daughters how he treats them - I'm surprised how such a mad mysoginist can still be happily married with 3 daughters that support him - something doesn't add up?
Funny how you raise a negative story with no basis of fact. Were you aware he has also reportedly been involved in rescuing a child from drowning and helping save people from a burning house? Doesn't fit your stereotype of Abbott the a***hole though.
lamb22 said:
What about Costello guiding us through the Asian Financial Crisis?
And as our longest serving treasurer and most budgets delivered and years of personal tax cuts?
Just forgotten in your anti-Costello/pro-Swan diatribe, it seems.
lamb22 said:
Ah, Paul "the recessions we had to have" Keating also voted world's greatest treasurer?
Also Swan....next year I'm tipping they'll give it to that Greek treasurer :hihi
Swan has inherited a country with a surplus (unlike what Costello/Libs had been left with) and a country going through a resources boom.
Add a few taxes onto it...alcopops, carbon, mining...and Swan has had it pretty good regardless of the GFC.
RemoteTiger said:
The problem with Turnbull is that while he is in the Libs camp...his ideas are more suited to the ALP.
I also don't like his "Australia for a Republic" stance.
Apart from these issues...he would be certainly better than Gillard/Swan and more favourable than Abbott.
Liverpool said:
Your response doesn't contain anything to refute what lamby actually said. Other than that you are opposed to it. Sounds like Abbott's mantra. Costello also had a mining boom we just weren't talking about it as much because commodity prices weren't as high. And he and Mr Howard got busy selling the farm. That is where the money came from. They didn't create it through superior management and didn't institute anything like the scale of the reforms of Keating, (opposed all the way by Howard). The GST was Howard's pet, but it didn't actually reform the tax system and in the end added costs and red tape to business.
KnightersRevenge said:
Really?
1980s
The idea for a broad-based consumption tax was first proposed by then federal treasurer Paul Keating at the 1985 Tax Summit but was dropped at the behest of then Labor Prime Minister Bob Hawke after pressure from the ACTU, welfare groups and business, which did not like its association with proposals for capital gains and fringe benefits taxes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goods_and_Services_Tax_(Australia)
KnightersRevenge said:
Considering Lamby22's last paragraph to describe the longest serving treasurer this nation has had, where to the uneducated, you would think he was the biggest disaster this nation has had and Swan is some sort of financial genius, then all I can do is laugh at this comment of yours.
If Swan is going to get credit for Australia surviving the GFC (which, in my opinion, is grossly exaggerated) then Costello should equally get credit for us surviving the Asian financial crisis of the late 90's.
Does that sound fair enough?
Liverpool said:
Only in so far as both statements came with more than a little hyperbole attached. No one suggested he was a disaster. Just that he isn't recognised internationally for being all that worthy. Why must one be a "disaster" and the other a "genius". Flamboyant language doesn't improve the education you seem to think people lack. Why is Keating considered a reformer and lauded for his work in modernising Australian fiscal policy? Why did the same people consider the management of the Australian economy through the GFC to be worthy of the accolade but those same people didn't see fit to reward Costello? Is it because there is a big leftist conspiracy? Or is it because these two Australian Governments did the work?
Liverpool said:
On Turnbull you are correct. Not on the Republic, but that is probably the Irishman in me. The only people I ever hear supporting Turnbull are actually Labor voters.
KnightersRevenge said:
If you read Lambys22 last paragraph regarding Costello, then you would assume he was a disaster.
Not one positive note.
Like I said...if we are going to give Swan the plaudits for Australia surviving the GFC...then surely there has to be SOME credit given to our economy and surviving the Asian financial crisis of the 90's from a Government that were in power for so long?
Swan is like C.Scott at the Cats....the ALP were voted in in 2007, the same year the GFC kicked off...not dissimilar to Scott taking over from Bomber Thompson.
Yeah, Scott got plaudits for being a premiership coach and maybe putting some different things in place...but the groundwork had already been done by his predecessor.
That is one way to look at it. Another is that they sold off assets (including the dumbest gold sale in history-selling 2/3rds of our gold reserve at the bottom of the market, you think I should clap that?) and banked surpluses. Not rocket surgery, and certainly not what I want from my government. My taxes are not savings. They are to be spent on schools, hospitals, housing....etc.Liverpool said:
KnightersRevenge said:
Taxes are not savings?
Why should it all be spent on infrastructures like hospitals, housing, and schools?
To me, the Government finances should be run not unlike any person or family run their own banking.
Most people have their everyday items, we also have money to splurge on things or upgrade things, and we also have money tucked away for a rainy day or if something out of the ordinary hits.
In the case of Australia...maybe a natural disaster? a war? or a stimulus package?
Putting all your eggs in the "infrastructure basket" with no savings would be economic irresponsibility...but then again, we are talking about the ALP here.
Baloo said:
I think thats more on the money, Baloo.
I'm not convinced by Abbott either but if it came down to Gillard/ALP and Abbott...I'm going with Abbott.
I also don't buy the "he'll lead us back into the 1950s and 1960s era" with his philosophies....funny thing is, a lot of people from these eras think it was the best time to be an Australian.
Even though Turnbull is popular with certain people, I feel that to make his mark as the PM, he would make us a republic.
That goes against my philosophy and therefore it would be difficult to vote with someone like Turnbull against Gillard
Hopefully, if the Libs do decide to change leadership, they go with someone else...maybe RemoteTiger's view on Joe Hockey might be worth a revisit?
Unless they really like Tony and he is actually inflating public opinion. Perhaps a change of leader would actually see their stocks plummet?Baloo said:
KnightersRevenge said:
I'm not sure how any rational person can like the thought of Tony Abbot as our PM. Even Livers says he doesn't like the idea of it, but for him it's not as a bad an option as keeping the incumbent. I'm on the other side of the fence, given the option of the two now, I'd always choose Gillard as long as Abbot is the only alternative.
Baloo said:
as a leftie who still thinks labour can win the next election, the worst thing that can happen is for abbott to be replaced as libs leader. but it's a double edged sword, because imagine if he does win? :nailbiting
same scenario with carlton really... as much as we enjoyed all the trouble at carlton this year and revelled in the sacking of their coach, it would have been better if ratten stayed as coach to deny matlhouse the job (and the higher likelihood of a premiership in the coming years).
Baloo said:
Me neither, but then I remember a much younger version of myself being sure my world collapse the night John Howard beat Paul Keating. Rational thought often doesn't win out.
