Possible fine for Dusty

[mrposhman]

Listened to Eddie this morning on Triple M and he was spot on, had no issue with it, its part of the theatre of sport. Do we seriously want robots that have no emotion to play sport? Sport is highly emotional for both fans and players. As long as interactions with supporters is not designed to incite violence then I have no issues.

Regardless of culture etc, the Goodes dance was far more confrontational and aggressive than flashing 2 fingers. Frankly he could have given them the bird for all I care, I just like to see players with passion playing sport, not some emotionless robot, if the AFL are intent on that then footy will die a slow death.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Nothing in it. Wasn't even done in an aggressive way and could barely distinguish the gesture.
Should be dismissed. Far bigger things to worry about.

 

[tigersnake]

Those who keep stating the Voices dance is not a 'cultural dance' because it was first performed a couple of years ago show a lack of understanding of Indigenous culture, diversity and story telling methods. This is a sad indictment on Australia IMO.

yep. The huffing and puffing is what knows no bounds.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

How does the AFL react when every week the broadcasters, intentionally, show close ups and slow-mos of players and coaches dropping f-bombs? Surely that is worse than a two finger salute? That said the old suspended fine was hanging over Dusty so he was always going to have to pay a fine. Take the hit, pay the piper and enjoy the win.

The people still trying to shoehorn Goodes into everything, give it a rest would ya?

 

[YinnarTiger]

The people still trying to shoehorn Goodes into everything, give it a rest would ya?

:fing32

 

[UKTiger]

Fairness and AFL should never be in the same sentence when apportioning punishment

 

[nudge1969]

The people still trying to shoehorn Goodes into everything, give it a rest would ya?

:fing32

It's not so much that it's Goodes, people are trying to compare apples with apples. Goodes war dance was inciting the crowd, it was directed at the Carlscum fans. Dusty and Jack copped heaps of abuse before Dusty gave his MINOR finger salute. This is what we get p****d off with. Jetta gave his war dance then an up-yours to the Eagles crowd. This is also inciting. In my view the AFL and the media are too scared to be labelled racist if they object to the war dance.

 

[IanG]

N there was me thinking it was just invented to be an Aussie version of the Haka, damn stupid of me. Now I need to figure out how Voices is somehow a dance, anyone care to enlighten me?

The haka isn't a dance??

 

[TigerMasochist]

The haka isn't a dance??

Course it is, but it's a recognised traditional maori war dance. The dance done by the under 16 kids from a few years ago was something invented so they could have a war dance too, even if they've tried to incorporate some form of historical type dance form into it. Also wondering what the hell " Voices " as Brodders called it has to do with the dance.

 

[TOT70]

The people still trying to shoehorn Goodes into everything, give it a rest would ya?It's not so much that it's Goodes, people are trying to compare apples with apples. Goodes war dance was inciting the crowd, it was directed at the Carlscum fans. Dusty and Jack copped heaps of abuse before Dusty gave his MINOR finger salute. This is what we get p****d off with. Jetta gave his war dance then an up-yours to the Eagles crowd. This is also inciting. In my view the AFL and the media are too scared to be labelled racist if they object to the war dance.

Carlton fans, WC fans, Collingwood fans.

Now there is a collection of mental giants, if ever there was one. If they had a Disneyland style parade at the lunatic asylum every day at 2 pm, these are the places where they would look for their participants.

Maybe that is all that Dusty was telling them, "Don't forget to go to the parade at 2 pm tomorrow."

 

[poppa x]

Dusty did it with a smile on his face.
We can't have players doing that.

 

[commonsense]

Hope we don't have any Scots playing for us their wardance would really excite the crowd

 

[Rosy]

......
The people still trying to shoehorn Goodes into everything, give it a rest would ya?

How about you stop telling others what to do? :hihi

It's about the actions not the name. Substitute Jetta for Goodes if you like. They are the two most recent examples of player interaction with the crowd that have been highlighted. We can even talk about the specific actions rather than the names which is what people seem to be doing to me. Why do you think one was condoned by the AFL and the other come down upon? None of those having a crack at others for voicing their opinions have answered that. To me either both are acceptable or both are vetoed but the AFL obviously doesn't agree. I'd like to know why.

 

[ninjahaha]

The people still trying to shoehorn Goodes into everything, give it a rest would ya?

Knighter we have had this dance before. I respect what you say. you seem like a fair and reasonable person.


But the dreaded But...

Its not about Adam.


Its about the AFL and the PC crowd selling out AFL fans as racist. At that point some of us where aware that they have painted themselves in a corner with their actions and it would come back to bite them on their arse. Didn't take long really.


This incident highlights two glaring inconsistencies...


The theatre of the crowd.

Gesturing and response to the crowd.



Can you see any hypocrisy here?




The response of "stop talking about it" highlights why I was so angry at the time of the "booing" saga. What happened at the time was simplified, the AFL fans where scape goated as racist. If the saga was about racism, should we not have addressed the exclusion of the indigenous people? Should this not be part of an ongoing resolve to open doors to help improve the living conditions of indigenous people?

Barely a month has passed, we are all to stop mentioning it? All fixed is it?

I was angry then and am starting to boil again. This is why people who are involved in real life efforts to help indigenous people, are angry at the high horsing of the PC, who feel comfortable that they are part of the solution by interpreting peoples thoughts as racist or claiming superiority by shaming others as racist.





But lets all just forget about it. Time to move on. We have already established as precedent that anyone who questions this issue is by definition a racist.

 

[1eyedtiger]

Ironically, it's the PC crowd and the AFL who are racist. And have been all along.

Giving the finger is an age old Aussie tradition. One which I treasure greatly and have a lot of respect for.

 

[tigersnake]

Ironically, it's the PC crowd who are racist.

I think the correct term is the 'PC brigade'. They are are a brigade. Like a fire brigade.

Race card, PC brigade, the only good traditions are very very very old traditions. Amateurs!

 

[Jason King]

Cool, another excuse to sink the slipper into Goodes. It seems we can never have too many of those.

Disappointed for Dusty though.

:hihi

But we are the victims!

 

[nqtiger]

How about you stop telling others what to do? :hihi

It's about the actions not the name. Substitute Jetta for Goodes if you like. They are the two most recent examples of player interaction with the crowd that have been highlighted. We can even talk about the specific actions rather than the names which is what people seem to be doing to me. Why do you think one was condoned by the AFL and the other come down upon? None of those having a crack at others for voicing their opinions have answered that. To me either both are acceptable or both are vetoed but the AFL obviously doesn't agree. I'd like to know why.

Hear hear, great post and stuff it up the left wing bleeding hearts, Jetta was worse but because he is indigenous somehow it makes it ok in the afl eyes, let's not start on Goodes and his one finger salute to the Richmond cheer squad round 23 last year, double standards, and the afl itself is the racists

 

[tigersnake]

left wing bleeding hearts

thats more like it, show 'em how its done nq. You could have got chardonnay socialists in there though. Elites maybe. Personally, I like my reactionaries reactionary.

 

[Chimptastic]

Hear hear, great post and stuff it up the left wing bleeding hearts, Jetta was worse but because he is indigenous somehow it makes it ok in the afl eyes, let's not start on Goodes and his one finger salute to the Richmond cheer squad round 23 last year, double standards, and the afl itself is the racists

Is there a photo of Goodes giving the infer to Richmond fans?

Agree completely.

I'd argue giving the double finger has a richer cultural heritage than the spear.