Political correctness & other nonsensical rubbish

[Disco08]

The onus here is on the students to abide by the rules of the school....rules that they knew full well before signing the enrolment papers.
If a school such as this doesn't conform to the lifestyle of people then don't go there.

Somehow I don't think they had a clause in the school rules regarding the illegality of same gender formal invitations.

For someone who's all about equal rights for all people (at least your warped version thereof) you don't seem too worried about this discrimination.

 

[Liverpool]

Was there a 'no-gays' clause in the school rules that the parents and kids signed?

No...but I'm sure there was a enrolment contract that was signed stating that I would abide by school rules when in their care.

Somehow I don't think they had a clause in the school rules regarding the illegality of same gender formal invitations.

Disco,
This is an Anglican private school....the student doesn't need clauses when the whole religion stands for morals that are in total conflict of the lifestyle a gay student is leading.
That is the problem I have here....there are plenty of schools that are happy to conform to this type of lifestyle...so why do people have this idea that everybody should conform?
If you don't like what the Anglican religion stands for then do not go to their schools.....it is pretty simple I would have thought.

For someone who's all about equal rights for all people (at least your warped version thereof) you don't seem too worried about this discrimination.

This isn't discrimination.
This is about students disregarding what the school is asking them to do.
If a child doesn't like the school's morals, then don't send the child there......don't go there knowing full well that what they stand for is against the lifestyle you lead and then cry about victimisation when the school stands its ground.
If you are gay and go to a Christian private school....then the onus is on you to abide by their morals and rules.
If your lifestyle contradicts the mantra at such a school and it upsets you....then you go to a more liberal school where you can go to the formal with whoever and whatever you like.
Again....it's pretty simple...we're not trying to build a space-shuttle here.

 

[Six Pack]

it would be against the law to have laws/rules etc based on discrimination re sexuality wouldnt it, Livers?

 

[Liverpool]

it would be against the law to have laws/rules etc based on discrimination re sexuality wouldnt it, Livers?

It is something I posted about on another thread a while back....and I asked the same question.
It seems there are rules for one and not the other...
It was about this:

Gay bar wins right to ban heterosexuals
Monday May 28 05:00 AEST
A Melbourne gay bar has been granted an exemption from the Equal Opportunity Act in a landmark ruling which will allow security to refuse entry to heterosexuals.
The owners of Collingwood's Peel Hotel, which came under fire in April for promoting a gay Anzac Day party, successfully argued to the state planning tribunal that banning heterosexuals from the club would prevent "sexually based insults and violence".
The Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal granted the controversial powers to the club last week, the Herald Sun reports.
VCAT deputy president Cate McKenzie claimed that allowing straight men and women into the club would defeat the purpose of the venue.
"This would undermine or destroy the atmosphere which the company wishes to create," McKenzie said.
"Sometimes heterosexual groups and lesbian groups insult and deride and are even physically violent towards the gay male patrons."
McKenzie said some straight women came to the club because they found the gay patrons entertaining.
"To regard the gay male patrons of the venue as providing an entertainment or spectacle to be stared at, as one would at an animal at a zoo, devalues and dehumanises them," she said.
"(This exemption) seeks to give gay men a space in which they may, without inhibition, meet, socialise and express physical attraction to each other in a non-threatening atmosphere."
A spokeswoman for the Victorian Gay and Lesbian Lobby Group told the Herald Sun that gay men at the Peel had been made to feel like "zoo animals".
"This exemption was not sought to exclude members of the community but to try to maintain a safe space for men to meet," the spokeswoman said.
"It's sad that members of our community would have to go to the VCAT to preserve their rights.
"This is one of the only free venues with live music in the area, so certainly some people may feel a bit unhappy about the decision."

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=269523


The part I highlighted could be used in the case of the Anglican school.....that having gays at the Anglican school formal would "defeat the purpose of having an Anglican school based on the morals of this religion"
"This would undermine or destroy the atmosphere which this school wishes to create for it's students and what the parents of other children pay for".

If you are going to have rules....have them for everyone...don't pick and choose who should conform and who shouldn't conform.

 

[Six Pack]

Livers, you have devoted this thread to numerous incidents and events that you have derided as being 'politically correct.'

You are obviously passionate about this, but could you give me one example from yr list that has personally affected you, made yr life less liveable?

It's all very well to rave on about how terrible it is that Noddy and Big Ears have been banned, or whatever, but how does it diminish yr existence?

 

[Six Pack]

And what's yr position on the protests against the Beijing Olympics? You haven't dealt with that one yet?

 

[Disco08]

Disco,
This is an Anglican private school....the student doesn't need clauses when the whole religion stands for morals that are in total conflict of the lifestyle a gay student is leading.

I don't see these kids being expelled though, so if the school is happy to enroll them surely they deserve equal rights? Turning a blind eye to their sexuality when it comes to taking their fees but not when it comes to an insignificant formal seems pretty hypocritical wouldn't you say?

This isn't discrimination.

Of course it's discrimination. One child isn't being given the same rights as another within the same environment. It's simple, and as you said, no one's trying to build a space shuttle here. (whatever that means, lol)

 

[Six Pack]

I expect that people who make space shuttles are treated as equals no matter what their sexual preference.

 

[Liverpool]

Livers, you have devoted this thread to numerous incidents and events that you have derided as being 'politically correct.'
You are obviously passionate about this, but could you give me one example from yr list that has personally affected you, made yr life less liveable?
It's all very well to rave on about how terrible it is that Noddy and Big Ears have been banned, or whatever, but how does it diminish yr existence?

Before you try and sidetrack me with a host of other questions....what do you think about my last post, where the gay-bar was allowed to continue refusing heterosexuals.....isn't that discrimination?
How can a gay-bar be given the green-light to trade and refuse people based on their sexual preference under the guise of "allowing straight people will defeat the purpose of the venue"......yet a school decides to protect it's purpose and it is derided as discrimatory?
Wouldn't you say that is rather hypocritical?

I don't see these kids being expelled though, so if the school is happy to enroll them surely they deserve equal rights? Turning a blind eye to their sexuality when it comes to taking their fees but not when it comes to an insignificant formal seems pretty hypocritical wouldn't you say?

What they deserve is to abide by the rules of the school.
If the rule is for the formal..."no same sex partners"...then that is it.
Abide by it or don't go.
And as i stated before...the fees are for their EDUCATION...which I gather they got by attending classes and listening to teachers.

Of course it's discrimination. One child isn't being given the same rights as another within the same environment. It's simple, and as you said, no one's trying to build a space shuttle here. (whatever that means, lol)

I think I can answer that by just changing a few words VCAT used when allowing the gay-bar to continue trading while refusing entry to people based on their sexual preference:

Having gays at the Anglican school formal would "defeat the purpose of having an Anglican school based on the morals of this religion"
"This would undermine or destroy the atmosphere which this school wishes to create for it's students and what the parents of other children pay for".

 

[Six Pack]

I think you're the one trying to put up a smokescreen, Livers. The gay kids not being allowed to have their partners at the dance is just hyperbole on yr part. The fact is that you don't like gays. I remember one debate where you openly said that they weren't normal.

Wouldn't matter if it was this issue, the gay bar issue, gay priests, gay marriage or whatever. You don't like them, you don't approve of them and thus you won't consider giving them any slack whatsoever.

 

[Six Pack]

and again, I ask you, how does this impact on your life?

 

[Disco08]

The clear mandate of keeping heterosexuals out of that club is to eradicate violence being caused by these individuals. The club is openly advertised as a gay establishment where the school had (presumably given it has been reported as such) no clear rules pertaining to homosexuals other than what is said in the bible. Assuming no violence is expected from these boys' partners, clearly this is discrimination.

What they deserve is to abide by the rules of the school.
If the rule is for the formal..."no same sex partners"...then that is it.
Abide by it or don't go.
And as i stated before...the fees are for their EDUCATION...which I gather they got by attending classes and listening to teachers.

No need to state the obvious Livers. If the rule is 'no same sex partners' it constitutes discrimination.

 

[Six Pack]

the thing that always amazes me about these sorts of cases is that if the school just let the whole thing go ahead and the kids could bring whoever they wanted, then it would fade away into a non-issue. by digging in their heels and denying the kids' wishes it makes them look petty and discrimantory.

 

[Liverpool]

I think you're the one trying to put up a smokescreen, Livers. The gay kids not being allowed to have their partners at the dance is just hyperbole on yr part. The fact is that you don't like gays. I remember one debate where you openly said that they weren't normal.

Wouldn't matter if it was this issue, the gay bar issue, gay priests, gay marriage or whatever. You don't like them, you don't approve of them and thus you won't consider giving them any slack whatsoever.

No smokescreen at all Sixpack.
I think I answer most questions people ask me...but I think I deserve some of my questions answered as well, thats all.

Before you try and sidetrack me with a host of other questions....what do you think about my last post, where the gay-bar was allowed to continue refusing heterosexuals.....isn't that discrimination?
How can a gay-bar be given the green-light to trade and refuse people based on their sexual preference under the guise of "allowing straight people will defeat the purpose of the venue"......yet a school decides to protect it's purpose and it is derided as discrimatory?
Wouldn't you say that is rather hypocritical?

When you get yourself in a corner and cannot use logic to defend your 'one rule for one and one rule for another' attitude then you resort to emotional rants accusing me of not liking gays.
Like I have clearly stated before.....I do not give a stuff what people do in the privacy of their own home....and I have worked with gays before and treat them as I would any other employee.
I don't have to 'like their lifestyle' to treat them as I would any other employee or person.

As for the 'not normal' comment.
Homosexual sex is NOT normal.
Whether you believe in God or not...or believe we evolved from monkeys....it really doesn't matter.
The fact of the matter is that the main reason sexual intercourse exists is for a species to reproduce.....and last time I looked (apart from IVF, etc) you needed a MALE and a FEMALE to do that and hence why we have male reproduction organs and female reproduction organs.
If you believe homosexuality is 'normal' then you should be thanking your lucky stars that your old man didn't think the same way as you.... :hihi

The clear mandate of keeping heterosexuals out of that club is to eradicate violence being caused by these individuals. The club is openly advertised as a gay establishment where the school had (presumably given it has been reported as such) no clear rules pertaining to homosexuals other than what is said in the bible. Assuming no violence is expected from these boys' partners, clearly this is discrimination. .

The fact that it is an ANGLICAN school should have given them some clue as to the morals, virtues, and laws this type of school would be expecting their students to abide by.
If it was really such an important facet of this student's life....why didn't he (or the parents) ask questions before enrolment?
Why wait until the Anglican school proceeds to educate their students as they have done for years using the Christian religion as the foundation.....and then complain about it?
Going by your logic then...it would be discrimatory for a Jewish kid to go to an Islamic school and be expected to abide by the Islamic school's laws and protocols?

 

[Six Pack]

so how does all this stuff impact on yr life, Livers?

 

[Disco08]

You don't know much about the Anglican church do you Livers?

 

[Disco08]

Going by your logic then...it would be discrimatory for a Jewish kid to go to an Islamic school and be expected to abide by the Islamic school's laws and protocols?

No Liverpool. Do you understand the actual meaning of the word 'discrimination'?

 

[Six Pack]

No smokescreen at all Sixpack.
I think I answer most questions people ask me...but I think I deserve some of my questions answered as well, thats all.

Before you try and sidetrack me with a host of other questions....what do you think about my last post, where the gay-bar was allowed to continue refusing heterosexuals.....isn't that discrimination?
How can a gay-bar be given the green-light to trade and refuse people based on their sexual preference under the guise of "allowing straight people will defeat the purpose of the venue"......yet a school decides to protect it's purpose and it is derided as discrimatory?
Wouldn't you say that is rather hypocritical?

When you get yourself in a corner and cannot use logic to defend your 'one rule for one and one rule for another' attitude then you resort to emotional rants accusing me of not liking gays.
Like I have clearly stated before.....I do not give a stuff what people do in the privacy of their own home....and I have worked with gays before and treat them as I would any other employee.
I don't have to 'like their lifestyle' to treat them as I would any other employee or person.

As for the 'not normal' comment.
Homosexual sex is NOT normal.
Whether you believe in God or not...or believe we evolved from monkeys....it really doesn't matter.
The fact of the matter is that the main reason sexual intercourse exists is for a species to reproduce.....and last time I looked (apart from IVF, etc) you needed a MALE and a FEMALE to do that and hence why we have male reproduction organs and female reproduction organs.
If you believe homosexuality is 'normal' then you should be thanking your lucky stars that your old man didn't think the same way as you.... :hihi

Livers, lots of straight people have sex for reasons other than reproduction. They might do it for fun, cos it feels good and to express their love for their partner.

That's all pretty normal in my book!

So, to argue that it's not normal for gay people to have sex for those same reasons is very prejudiced of you and shows your true colors.

 

[Liverpool]

so how does all this stuff impact on yr life, Livers?

It impacts on MY life similarly to climate change.......not much at all.
But does that mean we should ignore it or put up with it now, when decisions now may affect the lives of our children?
Think about it....

Livers, lots of straight people have sex for reasons other than reproduction. They might do it for fun, cos it feels good and to express their love for their partner.
That's all pretty normal in my book!
So, to argue that it's not normal for gay people to have sex for those same reasons is very prejudiced of you and shows your true colors.

I'm not arguing about the reasons. I couldn't give a stuff about the reasons, to be honest.
You are trying to convince me that it is 'normal' and to me, normal = natural.

It is very hard to argue about this topic without getting into the mechanics of sex.....and I don't know if it would be allowed on this forum.

All I will say is that we have NATURALLY have two genders......both genders NATURALLY have different reproductive organs.....and the majority of both genders have a NATURAL urge to mate with the opposite sex.
We all have NATURAL urges to have sex because it is NATURE'S way to encourage us to reproduce.....and last time I looked, this was only NATURALLY possible between a man and a woman.
That is the natural way.....the 'other way' is not natural and hence, it is not normal.

And like i said....whether I think a homosexuals lifestyle isn't normal doesn't change the fact that I treat them the same as anybody else.
I think that is the more important aspect here anyway.

 

[Six Pack]

so if u treated them the same as everyone else you'd let them take the partner of their choice to the formal?

silly really isnt it? it's 2008 and yr letting this sort of thing upset u.