Political correctness & other nonsensical rubbish

[Liverpool]

Social engineers everywhere these days,Scous.I've given up worrying about it.
On the subject of political correctness;
A couple of weeks ago I got my infopack welcoming me as a new uni student.There was a booklet,normal kind of stuff,how to write essays,be careful of plagarisim and so forth.What assessors expect basically.
At the back of this booklet there was 8 pages on the do's and don'ts when writing essays and discussing stuff with lecturers in regard to sex.This is a degree in philosophy BTW(supposedly the last bastion of free-thought)
For 8 pages they proceeded to tell me words I wasn't allowed to use:Such heinous crimes would be frowned upon, and marked against if appearing in submissions:
Alderman
Mankind
Draftsman
founding fathers
manning(the desk)
one-man(operation)
housewife
actress
workmanship.....and so forth.Pages and pages of this stuff.
also various pro nouns were unacceptable.I could go on.
This probably comes as no shock to people involved as offices workers etc. but it came as a bit of a shock to me.
So much for freedom of expression, I guess.Doesn't really matter what you think in philosophy these days it seems,but how you say it.
I doubt Nietzche,Kant or Socrates would get a degree in the 21st century.

Evo,
You shouldn't be too shocked at anything these days...the world is slowly getting more and more pedantic.

Why did you leave out your original comment against more women in the force? Your post clearly inferred that female police aren't up to it because they'd burst into tears and run away and that the hiring of them is the kind of reason is why people have no respect for and treat the law with contempt.
Here is your original post on the topic again. Not one mention of equality, or best for the job. I think it clearly shows an issue with women police at least, and it is the only one of your comments I was referring to.

Criminals must laugh when they have an old fart chase them down the road run out of puff...and a sheila who if he said 'boo' to would cry and run the other way....
No wonder people (especially the younger generation) have no respect for the law anymore and treat it with contempt.

I also posted an anecdote from my sister where a female officer ran back to the patrol car and locked the door....leaving her male partner to try and control are a couple of male offenders.
So it wasn't exactly having a crack at females because this thing HAS happened.....and that was just one incident that I know of.
And like I said...maybe that was a one-off incident but the point of it is that if the physical testing standards were not dropped to allow more women into the Force and women were not given the green light ahead of more suitable male candidates to meet a quota.... then maybe this female officer would not be in the position she found herself in the first place and maybe the male officer would not have his life in jeopardy because he maybe has a partner that got into the position under false pretenses.

And let's be honest...if you are a criminal running out of a servo you just held up, which person would you rather face in a one-on-one showdown?

* a 142cm female officer or;
* a 6'4" male officer

Like I have said all along.....lowering entrance standards to broaden the people entering the police will bump up the quantity of officers, however the quality will suffer if entrance standards are lowered to suit.
Let's see people get in on their merits on a level playing field, not to suit the political correct agenda of the day.

 

[Disco08]

That all depends on the quality of training provided.

 

[Liverpool]

That all depends on the quality of training provided.

All the "quality training" under the sun won't make a 142cm female taller.....or a 61 year old fitter/stronger,etc.

 

[Disco08]

It may not make them taller or stronger but it will certainly help them deal with the situations they'll face as part of their job, and if the training isn't successful then those people are given jobs more suited to their strengths.

 

[Rosy]

I also posted an anecdote from my sister where a female officer ran back to the patrol car and locked the door....leaving her male partner to try and control are a couple of male offenders.
So it wasn't exactly having a crack at females because this thing HAS happened.....

For all we know you could have fabricated that to dig yourself out of the hole you dug with your original comment.  You only raised it after beign questioned. It is still having a crack at females.  Crying and fleeing a scene could as easily be done by a 6'4 male, if he's not quite up to the job or situation.  It's about personality, job suitability and mindset rather than gender.

P.S. You're digging so deep you'll soon be in China...say gidday to my son for me when you arrive please. :hihi

 

[Liverpool]

For all we know you could have fabricated that to dig yourself out of the hole you dug with your original comment. You only raised it after beign questioned. It is still having a crack at females.

I didn't post it in my original post because there was no need to and I didn't contemplate such staunch protests against my comments.
More fool I, I guess.

Crying and fleeing a scene could as easily be done by a 6'4 male, if he's not quite up to the job or situation. It's about personality, job suitability and mindset rather than gender.

If they don't have the mindset or personality for the role then they shouldn't be in the Force to begin with.
That is why the measuring standards of new recruits should be kept strict and to weed out the weak ones before they get any further....no matter what race. religion, or gender they are.

 

[Zoso]

I'm offended by this thread.

 

[Six Pack]

I'm offended by this thread.

Welcome to the world of Liverpool!

 

[Liverpool]

Welcome to the world of Liverpool!

Oh stop sooking Sixpack. ;D

You might like this one anyway...just shows you how petty thinsg are becoming:


PUB NAME SPARKS A HUGE ROW
07:30 - 29 March 2008
What's in a name? Quite a lot when it involves former slave traders Sir Francis Drake and Sir John Hawkins.
And it has led to a huge row since The Herald revealed yesterday how city centre pub the Breton Arms was being renamed the Hawkins Meeting House after the 16th century seafarer.
Plymouth's Racial Equality Council and its supporters are calling the name "an insult" and want the pub to reconsider its new moniker.
They also want the city to re-examine its fascination with Sir Francis Drake, because he was also involved in shipping slaves from Africa.
They deny the row is "political correctness gone mad" and say it is the perfect opportunity to discuss the city's historical involvement in slavery and feelings about racism today.
In the other corner, one member of the REC has resigned, calling the organisation "puerile".
Others say Drake and Hawkins should be celebrated as historical giants who brought prosperity and safety to Plymouth and the entire country.
That's even though his descendent, Andrew Hawkins, from Liskeard, felt compelled to travel to The Gambia in 2006 and apologise for his ancestor's behaviour.
And don't forget the pub. The landlord is upset because no-one from the REC has been in to talk to staff - with the REC counter-accusing pub bosses of not visiting them, even though they are based just a stone's throw away.
Even the Royal Navy has chipped in, saying it is proud of the naval base's connection with Drake.

http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=181429&command=displayContent&sourceNode=229968&home=yes&more_nodeId1=133174&contentPK=20266156

 

[Six Pack]

Sounds like a healthy debate to me! :clap

 

[Tiger74]

How about Max Mosely Liverpool? Is it political correctness gone mad that people are upset with his concentration campl theme S&M orgy session?

 

[CarnTheTiges]

How about Max Mosely Liverpool? Is it political correctness gone mad that people are upset with his concentration campl theme S&M orgy session?

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree there. I believe Mosely's father was one of the most prolific British Nazi supporters prior to WW II.

 

[Six Pack]

yep, and the Mitfords.

 

[Liverpool]

How about Max Mosely Liverpool? Is it political correctness gone mad that people are upset with his concentration campl theme S&M orgy session?

Of course it is.
What someone does in the privacy of their own bedroom is nothing to do with anyone and of course being "News of the World" who are the same media outlet that set Sven Goran Eriksson up with this:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2006/01/21/1552252.htm

....then I wouldn't have too much hesitation in it being a set-up anyway.

Either way, if that sort of things gets his rocks off then that is his business.

Sounds like a healthy debate to me! :clap

Nothing to debate about, to be honest...it is simply political correctness gone mad, with people trying to eradicate any part of history that isn't deemed moralistic or 'correct' by people who purport to be 'correct' themselves.

Here is another piece of garbage for the civil libertarians on this forum:

Scan secures vision of Melbourne airport's future
April 01, 2008 12:00am
A NEW security system being tested at Melbourne airport will allow staff to view a detailed 3-D outline of passengers' bodies.
Intimate areas are blurred and images are not saved or passed on, but civil liberties groups have questioned whether such invasive technology is necessary.
The ProVision Portal uses millimetre waves to scan the body and identify all concealed objects.
Qantas group general manager security Geoffrey Askew said the machines, also being tested at some European and US airports, might replace metal detectors.
"They will pick up metallic and non-metallic objects that the current technology wouldn't detect," he said.
Mr Askew said there was no reason passengers should have privacy concerns about the new technology, which could be in permanent use by the end of this year.
"It's not a photograph of a person, it's a radio wave image. The face is completely unidentifiable and those private parts, sensitive parts, are automatically masked by the unit," he said.
Mr Askew said that as an added measure, Qantas had decided the unit's operator would work away from the portal, so they could not see the passenger being screened. The operator would communicate with a staff member at the portal if the passenger had something concealed.
But Liberty Victoria president Julian Burnside, QC, said he was not sure if the technology was justified. "The real question is how necessary is it to have such an invasive method of screening?" he said.
He said there was no real way of preventing passengers from taking potential weapons on board. "If a person is determined to cause a fuss, they could do it with a stiletto heel . . . or hit someone with a laptop," he said.
Mr Askew said the ProVision would remove the need for people to take off their shoes, reduce the likelihood of a manual "pat-down" by security staff, and hopefully eliminate the use for the explosive trace detection tests.
But the machine doesn't come cheap, costing $180,000.
Regular commuter Rod Braganza, who tried the portal, said getting through security could be time-consuming. "I think if you could speed up the process and increase security, that would be supported," he said.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23462020-2862,00.html

 

[Disco08]

I don't think too many people deem the trading of slaves to be moral or correct do they?

 

[Six Pack]

As i have argued before the term 'political correctness' is just a piece of hyperbole that has negative associations. And people like to use it to try and excuse any type of rigourous debate.

I think its healthy to have a fresh look at history. What's wrong with that? It's important that people are able to revise their ideas, look at things in different ways.

But Livers of course, disagrees, 'nothing to debate' he says. That's cos in his sad little conservative world everything is black and white and woebetide you if u are on the black side!

 

[Liverpool]

As i have argued before the term 'political correctness' is just a piece of hyperbole that has negative associations. And people like to use it to try and excuse any type of rigourous debate.
I think its healthy to have a fresh look at history. What's wrong with that? It's important that people are able to revise their ideas, look at things in different ways.
But Livers of course, disagrees, 'nothing to debate' he says. That's cos in his sad little conservative world everything is black and white and woebetide you if u are on the black side!

A fresh look at history?
There is history and thats it.....either something happened or it didn't...there is no 'fresh look' and lets 'revise our ideas'.

Nobody (including I) is debating whether Drake and Hawkins were involved in slave-trading.
However, they also had their good points where they had a positive effect on history, so why should this be totally ignored because it is deemed NOW that some of what they were involved in (which was quite normal at the time) is deemed offensive and wrong?

Maybe these pubs are naming themselves after these two figures because of the GOOD things they did but again, only the negative side is looked upon by these political correct wowsers who want to ban everything and anyone that they label as having a blot against their moralistic views on the world.

 

[Six Pack]

A fresh look at history?
There is history and thats it.....either something happened or it didn't...there is no 'fresh look' and lets 'revise our ideas'.

I didn't think that even you were so dumb, but that confirms it.

 

[Liverpool]

I didn't think that even you were so dumb, but that confirms it.

And what is dumb about it, your royal highness?

If someone traded slaves....they traded slaves....end of story.
What is there to revise and look at again?

No matter how hard you try Sixpack, you canot change history.....either something happened or it didn't...whether you like it or not. ;D

 

[Six Pack]

I'm not going to bother, Livers. You clearly are inflexible on this.