Political correctness & other nonsensical rubbish

[Panthera tigris FC]

You're spot on....and it vindicates what I am saying.

Just because something occurs naturally does not mean that it is common practice and therefore should be accepted as 'natural'.

I don't doubt that some homosexuals are born with that gene or something in them that gives them an urge/attraction towards other males.
However, should that then be accepted as 'natural'?
No.....because if anatomically and biologically it was quite natural for this to occur, males would also have female reproductive organs.
The fact is, we do not.....so if homosexuality is 'natural' in both the human and animal kingdoms....why would it be so? why can't males reproduce with other males then?

Accepted as natural? Everything that you describe is 'natural'. Why do you raise the question of acceptance? There are plenty of examples of rare natural variations in a population...does that make any one less natural than the others? Of course not. Any other stance and you start down the slippery slope towards a eugenics view.

As to why homosexuality persists in populations when it doesn't seem to be a very good choice for the perpetuation of one's genes (and thus any genes that may explain, or partially explain, the homosexuality) is in itself a VERY good question. One that some scientists are exploring.

If I need to explain to you why males can't reproduce with males we may be here a while .

 

[K3]

Accepted as natural? Everything that you describe is 'natural'. Why do you raise the question of acceptance? There are plenty of examples of rare natural variations in a population...does that make any one less natural than the others? Of course not. Any other stance and you start down the slippery slope towards a eugenics view.

As to why homosexuality persists in populations when it doesn't seem to be a very good choice for the perpetuation of one's genes (and thus any genes that may explain, or partially explain, the homosexuality) is in itself a VERY good question. One that some scientists are exploring.

If I need to explain to you why males can't reproduce with males we may be here a while .

Geez this is such a simple topic, and one I can certainly help to 'close the book on'.

The reason for the instances of homosexuality is quite simple really! Women... are... scary!

Next...

 

[Liverpool]

Geez this is such a simple topic, and one I can certainly help to 'close the book on'.

The reason for the instances of homosexuality is quite simple really! Women... are... scary!

Next...

They're not that scary if you chain them to the kitchen and not let them out.... :hihi

 

[Liverpool]

As to why homosexuality persists in populations when it doesn't seem to be a very good choice for the perpetuation of one's genes (and thus any genes that may explain, or partially explain, the homosexuality) is in itself a VERY good question. One that some scientists are exploring.

If I need to explain to you why males can't reproduce with males we may be here a while .

Of course it is a good question.....and if homosexuality was as normal and/or natural as some posters on here would have us believe...why are scientists still trying to figure this out?
If it was normal and natural to have sexual intercourse with the same sex....then it shouldn't take until 2008 A.D to work out why, should it?
I don't see thousands of years of questions that can't be answered surrounding heterosexuality....
To be honest, I can't see why people can't just accept people as people who like to have sex with the same sex....and leave it as that.

Panthera,
The thing that riles people like myself up about this topic isn't that people are gay.....like I have said, I don't care what people do in their bedrooms and if having sex with a partner of the same sex keeps them happy....then good for them.
I talk to them like I would any other person and the one's I have worked with I have treated the same as I would any other employee, as long as they abided by the rules and laws that we are governed by in the company.
What gets up a lot of people's noses about this topic is the way people try and manufacture, indoctrinate, and have forced onto people...starting at school-age...that homosexuality is normal and natural.

People use terms such as "kids with two dads"......what the?
People have ONE Dad....and ONE Mum. End of story.
Others that come into these NATURAL parents lives are either lovers, partners, boyfriends, step-fathers, etc....but there is only ONE true Dad.

It is like a few pages back in this thread about 'history' and SixPack wanting us to be flexible with history.
There is no flexibility in that case and there is none in this case either.....kids have a mother and a father. End of story.
That is the natural way that each one of us exists today. Without either the female (mother) or the male (father), we wouldn't exist.
Trying to cce people into believing that homosexuality is just another normal and natural practice is just more manufacturing and fabrication to appease the whims of minority groups....so political correct wowsers can go to bed at night feeling warm and fuzzy that the 'poor down-trodden minority group' now have some power in society.

It is simply an agenda to being popular...."Gee, look at me, I'm fighting against the establishment!". :
Look at G20 and S11 riots...half of those numbskulls wouldn't know what the summits were even about, but just the fact that it was something against the establishment and a chance to 'fight for the minoity'.
The same will happen in a couple of weeks when the Olympic torch arrives here.
We'll get dozens of morons who wouldn't have a clue where Tibet even is on a map fighting against authorities and the police and giving people the sh!ts, using "Free Tibet" as an excuse.
It is no coincidence that when there are union rallies on...you'll always see the Greenpeace, Aboriginal, and Gay flags waving in unison with their other 'down trodden minority groups'.
And it is this perception that fools within the Government bend over backwards to appease these group's whims and why we have more and more ridiculous laws and rules being subjected to the majority.
Has anyone thought about the discrimination being aimed at the "Mums" and "Dads" who have kids that go to these schools? What about these kids rights to use such natural and normal words (Mum and Dad) to describe the two most important people in their lives, without fear of persecution or sanction?
I wonder how many parents would like to be labelled by their child simply as "my parent" instead of "Mum" and "Dad"?
It is just ridiculous, ludicrous....you name it.

The sad thing is Panthera....all this crap is probably from a minority of a minority group....which makes it even more embarassing that the Government have even entertained the idea or even feel under any pressure to provide gay-friendly environments because of such a small percentage of lobbyists complaining.
Even though the Government deny it, just to have this issue even raised just shows you how ridiculous things are becoming in society:


'Mum, Dad' ban untrue - schools boss
April 17, 2008 09:21am
SCHOOLS will not move to stop using words like mum and dad, or girlfriend and boyfriend, the NSW Education Department says, despite reports that public schools are under pressure to provide gay-friendly environments.
Changes to terminology, such as using the word "partner" to cover heterosexual relationships, are being sought by gay lobbyists bent on reducing discrimination in a major anti-homophobia push in the state's schools, The Daily Telegraph reports.
But Department of Education and Training director-general Michael Coutts-Trotter says there is no move to stop using terms such as boyfriend, girlfriend, mum or dad in public school classrooms.
Media reports that there are moves to stop using these terms are "simply wrong", Mr Coutts-Trotter said in a statement today.
"Public schools do not tolerate discrimination of any kind, whether on the grounds of religion, race, disability, gender or sexual preference," he said.
"Schools have to be sanctuaries for children; they must be free of any sort of discrimination, bullying or harassment.
"However, this does not include imposing a new politically correct language in schools."

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23553154-1702,00.html

 

[Panthera tigris FC]

Of course it is a good question.....and if homosexuality was as normal and/or natural as some posters on here would have us believe...why are scientists still trying to figure this out?
If it was normal and natural to have sexual intercourse with the same sex....then it shouldn't take until 2008 A.D to work out why, should it?
I don't see thousands of years of questions that can't be answered surrounding heterosexuality....

They are investigating it for the same reason they investigate pretty much everything...because we don't know. It has nothing to do with it being normal/natural. Are blue eyes normal/natural? Then why is eye colour an area of research? Is sexual reproduction normal/natural? Not to many asexual organisms! It is also an area of scientific research. Does this mean that because we haven't entirely worked these things out that they are not natural/normal? Of course not.

To be honest Livers I don't think you have checked the scientific literature to see what questions can't be answered about heterosexuality (I am happy for you to prove me wrong).

Your argument that the scientific investigation of a behaviour/trait somehow suggests that it is natural/normal is deeply flawed.

To be honest, I can't see why people can't just accept people as people who like to have sex with the same sex....and leave it as that.

Panthera,
The thing that riles people like myself up about this topic isn't that people are gay.....like I have said, I don't care what people do in their bedrooms and if having sex with a partner of the same sex keeps them happy....then good for them.
I talk to them like I would any other person and the one's I have worked with I have treated the same as I would any other employee, as long as they abided by the rules and laws that we are governed by in the company.

Amen to that.

What gets up a lot of people's noses about this topic is the way people try and manufacture, indoctrinate, and have forced onto people...starting at school-age...that homosexuality is normal and natural.

I would argue that it is normal and natural.

People use terms such as "kids with two dads"......what the?
People have ONE Dad....and ONE Mum. End of story.
Others that come into these NATURAL parents lives are either lovers, partners, boyfriends, step-fathers, etc....but there is only ONE true Dad.

It is like a few pages back in this thread about 'history' and SixPack wanting us to be flexible with history.
There is no flexibility in that case and there is none in this case either.....kids have a mother and a father. End of story.
That is the natural way that each one of us exists today. Without either the female (mother) or the male (father), we wouldn't exist.

I think a child that has a gay couple as parents can refer to them as dads or mums. It isn't like they won't become aware of the biology at some stage.

I, personally, grew up with a step-mother. I refer to her as 'mum'. Does that mess with your sensibilities? She isn't my NATURAL parent. How does this differ from the homosexual parent situation?

Trying to cce people into believing that homosexuality is just another normal and natural practice is just more manufacturing and fabrication to appease the whims of minority groups....so political correct wowsers can go to bed at night feeling warm and fuzzy that the 'poor down-trodden minority group' now have some power in society.

It is simply an agenda to being popular...."Gee, look at me, I'm fighting against the establishment!". :
Look at G20 and S11 riots...half of those numbskulls wouldn't know what the summits were even about, but just the fact that it was something against the establishment and a chance to 'fight for the minoity'.
The same will happen in a couple of weeks when the Olympic torch arrives here.
We'll get dozens of morons who wouldn't have a clue where Tibet even is on a map fighting against authorities and the police and giving people the sh!ts, using "Free Tibet" as an excuse.
It is no coincidence that when there are union rallies on...you'll always see the Greenpeace, Aboriginal, and Gay flags waving in unison with their other 'down trodden minority groups'.
And it is this perception that fools within the Government bend over backwards to appease these group's whims and why we have more and more ridiculous laws and rules being subjected to the majority.

I think you went a little off reservation in that rant....however....what laws have offended your 'majority' sensibilities?

Has anyone thought about the discrimination being aimed at the "Mums" and "Dads" who have kids that go to these schools? What about these kids rights to use such natural and normal words (Mum and Dad) to describe the two most important people in their lives, without fear of persecution or sanction?
I wonder how many parents would like to be labelled by their child simply as "my parent" instead of "Mum" and "Dad"?
It is just ridiculous, ludicrous....you name it.

If anything you said in that paragraph actually did reflect reality then I would agree that it was ridiculous, ludicrous etc. However, I am yet to see a child who fears persecution or sanction for using the words 'Mum' or 'Dad'. However the same could not be said for the child of a gay couple.

The sad thing is Panthera....all this crap is probably from a minority of a minority group....which makes it even more embarassing that the Government have even entertained the idea or even feel under any pressure to provide gay-friendly environments because of such a small percentage of lobbyists complaining.
Even though the Government deny it, just to have this issue even raised just shows you how ridiculous things are becoming in society:

No Livers, the sad thing is that anyone perceives the need for a 'gay-friendly environment' to protect themselves from people who hold views like yourself ("it isn't normal/natural"), or worse, who consider homosexuality wrong on theological grounds ("fags will burn in hell" - in an extreme example).

'Mum, Dad' ban untrue - schools boss
April 17, 2008 09:21am
SCHOOLS will not move to stop using words like mum and dad, or girlfriend and boyfriend, the NSW Education Department says, despite reports that public schools are under pressure to provide gay-friendly environments.
Changes to terminology, such as using the word "partner" to cover heterosexual relationships, are being sought by gay lobbyists bent on reducing discrimination in a major anti-homophobia push in the state's schools, The Daily Telegraph reports.
But Department of Education and Training director-general Michael Coutts-Trotter says there is no move to stop using terms such as boyfriend, girlfriend, mum or dad in public school classrooms.
Media reports that there are moves to stop using these terms are "simply wrong", Mr Coutts-Trotter said in a statement today.
"Public schools do not tolerate discrimination of any kind, whether on the grounds of religion, race, disability, gender or sexual preference," he said.
"Schools have to be sanctuaries for children; they must be free of any sort of discrimination, bullying or harassment.
"However, this does not include imposing a new politically correct language in schools."

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23553154-1702,00.html

So you quote a story that isn't true? This helps your argument how?

 

[Liverpool]

I would argue that it is normal and natural.

On what basis actually, Panthera?

You see 'normal' is common...general...and typical....which homosexuality isn't.
They are a minority group.

As for 'natural'....well, I think if it was natural to have sex with the same sex, then surely the male anatomy would have provisions for such an act without resorting to....well, we both know don't we......, yet it seems the female anatomy is naturally matched to what a male has to offer.
It is simple biology and science.

So while I accept that it is people's right to have same-sex partners and I respect that.....nobody will ever convince me that it is normal and natural for humans to have sex with the same sex.

I, personally, grew up with a step-mother. I refer to her as 'mum'. Does that mess with your sensibilities? She isn't my NATURAL parent. How does this differ from the homosexual parent situation?

So you had a dad and a 'mum'.....that is still natural....yous till had a male and female in your growing-up.
How does it differ from a homosexual parent situation?
Well, obviously it does if the gay-lobby are pushing the word 'partner' instead of "Mum" and "Dad" and trying to fabricate a situation where parents are seen as 'genderless'.
What does a child say when asked who those two men are picking them up from school...."Oh, thats my Dad and his...?" ....can't say Mum...does he say 'boyfriend'....oh, thats right, that is one of the words the gay-lobby want banned.
Again....you can't convince me that homosexuality is normal and natural when we are resorting to manufacturing social situations to appease them.

No Livers, the sad thing is that anyone perceives the need for a 'gay-friendly environment' to protect themselves from people who hold views like yourself ("it isn't normal/natural"), or worse, who consider homosexuality wrong on theological grounds ("fags will burn in hell" - in an extreme example).

I'm certainly not one of the 'fags burn in hell' lobby.
I think most people accept that there are people that are different (like people have different religions).....and I think most people are happy to respect and tolerate this.....BUT, similar to Jehovah Winesses who run around hassling people...or Mormons who knock on the door and want you to join them....or Islams who resort to violence and the 'join us or die' attitude....people get pissed-off with gays trying to push their agenda and lifestyle onto everybody and expect US to change OUR morals and views to suit THEM.
Just get on with it.....if you want to have sex with another bloke, go ahead and do it....who gives a stuff....but don't try and indoctrinate me or others (especially kids) with the view that it is normal and natural, when it clearly isn't.

 

[Six Pack]

Have gay people being hassling you lately, Livers? In your street, down at the shops, in your home? Have they?

Trying to convert you? How ridiculous!

 

[Liverpool]

Have gay people being hassling you lately, Livers? In your street, down at the shops, in your home? Have they?
Trying to convert you? How ridiculous!

Convert?
What are you talking about? ???
The word I used was CONVINCE and nobody will convince me that the act of having sex with another male is 'normal and natural'.
And I don't need anybody trying to convince me anyway....all gays have to do in society is just live and do what they do without having to push agendas and trying to indoctrinate people with accepting their fetish as normal and natural when it isn't.
Have I made myself clear this time?

 

[Six Pack]

'fetish?'

Yr ignorance is remarkable.

 

[Disco08]

You're always sprouting about equal opportunity Liverpool. Do you hold to that for homosexual families? Should they have the same rights as heterosexual families?

 

[Liverpool]

You're always sprouting about equal opportunity Liverpool. Do you hold to that for homosexual families? Should they have the same rights as heterosexual families?

There is no such thing as a "homosexual family" Disco for a start.

 

[Disco08]

Of course there is.

 

[Six Pack]

There is no such thing as a "homosexual family" Disco for a start.

what do you mean by this? Are you playing with words? Or do you mean that a gay couple can't be considered a family? And therefore, cant be afforded the same rights as a straight couple?

 

[Liverpool]

what do you mean by this? Are you playing with words? Or do you mean that a gay couple can't be considered a family? And therefore, cant be afforded the same rights as a straight couple?

I'm assuming Disco was meaning two homosexuals in custody of a child, where one of the homosexual's is the father.
That to me isn't a 'homosexual family'...there is no such thing.
A family originally consists of a father and a mother.....anything else branches down from this and is certainly not on the same level.

As for equal rights.....it all depends....and what I mean by that is that in a workplace, all workers should be treated the same.....at school, treated the same....BUT when it comes to two critical aspects, one being marriage and the other being when a third-party (children) are involved, then I do not think gay couples should expect or deserve equal rights. (you can add adoption in this as well)

The union of a man and woman is always above anything else that exists and should be kept that way as it is the only way that the human race can survive and this should be protected from the gathering storm called 'political correctness'.

 

[Six Pack]

By this last comment am I correct that you believe that gay people will be responsible for the human race eventually dying out?

I'm not sure if statistics and data would support that, Livers.

 

[Disco08]

I'm assuming Disco was meaning two homosexuals in custody of a child, where one of the homosexual's is the father.
That to me isn't a 'homosexual family'...there is no such thing.
A family originally consists of a father and a mother.....anything else branches down from this and is certainly not on the same level.

This is seriously one of the most bigoted opinions I've seen you express yet.

Are you saying that one family consisting of a man, a woman and an adopted child is a genuine family, while a family of two men or women and an adopted child is something less than that?

 

[Liverpool]

This is seriously one of the most bigoted opinions I've seen you express yet.
Are you saying that one family consisting of a man, a woman and an adopted child is a genuine family, while a family of two men or women and an adopted child is something less than that?

Disco,
For the child to exist there had to be a union between a man and a woman.
A child is born from this union.
The man is then the father....the woman is then the mother....and the child is the child.
THAT is the family.
What happens after that.....parents are killed, child adopted, or whatever hypothetical you throw up will not change the fact that the original family was the mother, the father, and the child.

And that is why the partnership between a man and a woman, and the marriage between a man and a woman will ALWAYS be held above any other relationship....and why other relationships are not afforded the same rights when it comes to marriage and adoption.

 

[Liverpool]

By this last comment am I correct that you believe that gay people will be responsible for the human race eventually dying out?
I'm not sure if statistics and data would support that, Livers.

:rofl :rofl
Are you serious?
If EVERYONE turns gay then I will put my last dollar on it that the human race WILL eventually die out.......and I'd love your statistics that disagree with that.....show me....I look forward to reading them.

 

[Disco08]

You realise science can make babies without the need for people to actually have sex now right Livers?

 

[Six Pack]

:rofl :rofl
Are you serious?
If EVERYONE turns gay then I will put my last dollar on it that the human race WILL eventually die out.......and I'd love your statistics that disagree with that.....show me....I look forward to reading them.

That was the logic of yr argument. How everyone will 'turn gay' is beyond me, but that's u think thats a possibility?