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Pick 9 ND 2012 – Who should we pick?
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Good footballers remain good footballers.
The proposed cap of 90 interchanges down from the average of, I think this season was 117? or around that mark.
Granted, it's significantly less, but not enough to counterract footballing ability as being paramount.
I don't think it will change drafting at all.
Perhaps the new ruck rule may specifically affect ruckman, now with perhaps jumping ability and athleticism more important than core strength, but again, I don't expect recruiters to change their opinion of a new recruit on the back of it.
Good footballers remain good footballers.
The proposed cap of 90 interchanges down from the average of, I think this season was 117? or around that mark.
Granted, it's significantly less, but not enough to counterract footballing ability as being paramount.
I don't think it will change drafting at all.
Perhaps the new ruck rule may specifically affect ruckman, now with perhaps jumping ability and athleticism more important than core strength, but again, I don't expect recruiters to change their opinion of a new recruit on the back of it.
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Yer agree, I think the only way it will affect it as when you are weighing up 2 prospects it could be a potential tie-breaker. We already have so many and I'm hoping we can land Macrae who would just add to this. We are starting to develop some serious weapons if the league ever went to 2 and 2. Or capped or both.
Coburgtiger said:
Yer agree, I think the only way it will affect it as when you are weighing up 2 prospects it could be a potential tie-breaker. We already have so many and I'm hoping we can land Macrae who would just add to this. We are starting to develop some serious weapons if the league ever went to 2 and 2. Or capped or both.
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I think you underestimate the impact it will have on football. One position players with poor endurance will go the way of the Dinosaurs post the Jurassic era. The 2 position players in my view that were already 1st round prospects will definately rise in the rankings. The likes of Vlastuin, Gartlett and Kennedy will struggle in my view. Poor endurance and limited positional flexibility will likely see them drop.
Coburgtiger said:
I think you underestimate the impact it will have on football. One position players with poor endurance will go the way of the Dinosaurs post the Jurassic era. The 2 position players in my view that were already 1st round prospects will definately rise in the rankings. The likes of Vlastuin, Gartlett and Kennedy will struggle in my view. Poor endurance and limited positional flexibility will likely see them drop.
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Of course, I don't know. I would have to ask one of the professional recruiters, and get information from professional football staff to assess much they will change their policy on the back of having (on average) 27 less interchanges a game.
It is my feeling that most clubs recruit based on their individual needs, and on criteria that are not evident to the public, or other clubs. Whether they now raise the value of endurance as a criterion, such that it changes their personal draft order, I don't know. I don't think it would, but that's only my guess.
It's interesting this dual position aspect. I wonder how many midfielders would classify themselves as dual position. I'd like to think most of them can mark and kick goals at a pinch. I don't think Cotchy would have called himself a dual position player five years ago, but footballing ability will win out when required to kick goals.
And i am sure that clearance players will still be required. In and under players that get into packs, and don't necessarily play more than one position.
I think this (significant, though not particularly huge) change in interchange rotations may have some affect on match day, some affect on training, but less affect on recruitment.
Mr Magic said:
Of course, I don't know. I would have to ask one of the professional recruiters, and get information from professional football staff to assess much they will change their policy on the back of having (on average) 27 less interchanges a game.
It is my feeling that most clubs recruit based on their individual needs, and on criteria that are not evident to the public, or other clubs. Whether they now raise the value of endurance as a criterion, such that it changes their personal draft order, I don't know. I don't think it would, but that's only my guess.
It's interesting this dual position aspect. I wonder how many midfielders would classify themselves as dual position. I'd like to think most of them can mark and kick goals at a pinch. I don't think Cotchy would have called himself a dual position player five years ago, but footballing ability will win out when required to kick goals.
And i am sure that clearance players will still be required. In and under players that get into packs, and don't necessarily play more than one position.
I think this (significant, though not particularly huge) change in interchange rotations may have some affect on match day, some affect on training, but less affect on recruitment.
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Not sure Vlastuin, Garlett and Kennedy are one position players
Garlett and especially Kennedy have been effective small forwards and Vlastuin played a lot of the HBF this year
Mr Magic said:
Not sure Vlastuin, Garlett and Kennedy are one position players
Garlett and especially Kennedy have been effective small forwards and Vlastuin played a lot of the HBF this year
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Perhaps. But I think he is one of the most bankable players in the draft, outside of the top 5 or so. I am certain he will be an effective AFL player (maybe not a star but, effective like Conca, Ellis, Batch etc). I think there will be a lot of misses in the first round of this draft. I'd rather a bankable player like Hrovat rather than a potential miss like Membrey.
That's a good point (though I have hesitations in recruiting for possible rule changes...who knows how long it is before it changes again). One guy that would be well suited to the new rule is Marco Paperone. He can play anywhere on the ground. There's something about him that I like but I'm torn as there is also something about him that reminds me of McGuane.
Stylo said:
Perhaps. But I think he is one of the most bankable players in the draft, outside of the top 5 or so. I am certain he will be an effective AFL player (maybe not a star but, effective like Conca, Ellis, Batch etc). I think there will be a lot of misses in the first round of this draft. I'd rather a bankable player like Hrovat rather than a potential miss like Membrey.
That's a good point (though I have hesitations in recruiting for possible rule changes...who knows how long it is before it changes again). One guy that would be well suited to the new rule is Marco Paperone. He can play anywhere on the ground. There's something about him that I like but I'm torn as there is also something about him that reminds me of McGuane.
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If we're talking bankable players I'd much rather we go for Vlastuin over Hrovat at 9. Heaps more upside and is more than likely to be available. Don't get me wrong, I really like Hrovat and would love to see him in Y&B but I don't think he has enough outstanding features to warrant a 1st round pick, let alone top 10. If he's available at 29 we'd be bonkers not to grab him though. I have a feeling Collingwood will take him with one of 18 or 20.
If we're talking bankable players I'd much rather we go for Vlastuin over Hrovat at 9. Heaps more upside and is more than likely to be available. Don't get me wrong, I really like Hrovat and would love to see him in Y&B but I don't think he has enough outstanding features to warrant a 1st round pick, let alone top 10. If he's available at 29 we'd be bonkers not to grab him though. I have a feeling Collingwood will take him with one of 18 or 20.
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Agree with you Magic.
The cap on rotations from 2014 will just mean clubs pick an extra midfielder in their sides, probably at the expense of third tall forward. Any tallish midfielder who can take a mark and has reasonable endurance will see their value rise sharply.
Mr Magic said:
Agree with you Magic.
The cap on rotations from 2014 will just mean clubs pick an extra midfielder in their sides, probably at the expense of third tall forward. Any tallish midfielder who can take a mark and has reasonable endurance will see their value rise sharply.
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Hey Gus,
How did Stringer test at Draft Camp? Interesting player.
A few this year that are hard to get a read on where they'll go - all of Stringer, Garlett & Menzel have massive ability to go very high but also question marks for various reasons.
Hey Gus,
How did Stringer test at Draft Camp? Interesting player.
A few this year that are hard to get a read on where they'll go - all of Stringer, Garlett & Menzel have massive ability to go very high but also question marks for various reasons.
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Apparently the H/S has reported chatter that Richmond are warming to trading 9 for 12+13 from GWS.
Would the Giants go for this though? If we could get the deal done, we would be crazy not to go through with it.
Apparently the H/S has reported chatter that Richmond are warming to trading 9 for 12+13 from GWS.
Would the Giants go for this though? If we could get the deal done, we would be crazy not to go through with it.
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No brainer for us. Giants get another top 10 pick and can be pretty certain who they get given they virtually have the monopoly on top 10 picks. I can see why they would do it too.
Stylo said:
No brainer for us. Giants get another top 10 pick and can be pretty certain who they get given they virtually have the monopoly on top 10 picks. I can see why they would do it too.
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All depends on whether they want to continue with us after we chased pretty hard for Tyson.
What's to stop the Bulldogs, Port, or Brisbane from doing exactly the same thing?
If I were at the Bulldogs with 5 & 6 I'd be pretty happy to trade 6 for 12 & 13.
All depends on whether they want to continue with us after we chased pretty hard for Tyson.
What's to stop the Bulldogs, Port, or Brisbane from doing exactly the same thing?
If I were at the Bulldogs with 5 & 6 I'd be pretty happy to trade 6 for 12 & 13.
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Yeah it's a valid point. It's been floated around that we should try and trade with the Dogs to get their pick 6 by packaging say 9 and Post, then trading 6 on to GWS for 12 + 13.
Not sure however if the Dogs would be keen on Post or if any of our other fringe players would warrant a 3 spot downgrade of a top 10 pick. But it would be remiss of us not to investigate all options here, unless FJ is absolutely dead keen on one particular player who he doesn't believe will be available at 12.
puregreen said:
Yeah it's a valid point. It's been floated around that we should try and trade with the Dogs to get their pick 6 by packaging say 9 and Post, then trading 6 on to GWS for 12 + 13.
Not sure however if the Dogs would be keen on Post or if any of our other fringe players would warrant a 3 spot downgrade of a top 10 pick. But it would be remiss of us not to investigate all options here, unless FJ is absolutely dead keen on one particular player who he doesn't believe will be available at 12.
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It seems yet again they are trawling supporter forums for their content.
Stylo said:
It seems yet again they are trawling supporter forums for their content.
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Not just us, Blair liked the idea of us swapping on a one for two basis.Stylo said:
