Pick 9 ND 2012 – Who should we pick?

[Martin_Riewoldt]

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Questions.
1. Would Graham, now, justify himself as a first round pick?
2. Did Membrey show that he could progress from being a lead-up medium forward to a mobile medium HFF/CHF?

In regards to your first question, I think the Combine will determine it. The biggest knock on Graham is his athleticism and if he can provide good results then he is a good chance to feature in the tail-end of the first round. The football knowledge and talent is there. Currently, I have him going around 25. Near the tail end of the first round, names such as Vlastuin, Menzel, Clurey, Membrey and Jaksch are thrown around and unfortunately, I don't see him in that category.

Membrey has predominantly played as a lead up FF but surprisingly has shown incredible agility and speed for someone of his size and strength. At AFL level, 188cm might be a tad too small to be a FF, but he certainly has the mobility to be a medium forward with the capability of going into a KPF role.

 

[tigs2010]

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Hoping that Macrae rises and Plowman drops to 9 now. Plowman is all class and I would be happy to see him in yellow and black next year.

I find it funny that those who have never see a kid play object to him purely based on his height. David Mundy made his name as a junior at Full Back. Plowman not dis-similar in terms of poise and class.

I've done a mock draft and that's exactly who I've compared him to. I see him as becoming a big midfielder. I think his career would pan out similar to Mundy's starting off a HBF and then becoming a full-time mid.

 

[Martin_Riewoldt]

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I've done a mock draft and that's exactly who I've compared him to. I see him as becoming a big midfielder. I think his career would pan out similar to Mundy's starting off a HBF and then becoming a full-time mid.

I can't say that I am comfortable drafting a KPD in hope that he might become an inside midfielder. I'd rather draft a midfielder so they can play in the midfield.

 

[Gus]

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Hoping that Macrae rises and Plowman drops to 9 now. Plowman is all class and I would be happy to see him in yellow and black next year.

I find it funny that those who have never see a kid play object to him purely based on his height. David Mundy made his name as a junior at Full Back. Plowman not dis-similar in terms of poise and class.

Great call. He's a beauty.

 

[Tigerdog]

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Membrey has predominantly played as a lead up FF but surprisingly has shown incredible agility and speed for someone of his size and strength. At AFL level, 188cm might be a tad too small to be a FF, but he certainly has the mobility to be a medium forward with the capability of going into a KPF role.

Wasn't Lingy a full forward in his TAC days?

 

[mtench]

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Wasn't Lingy a full forward in his TAC days?

Yes

 

[Gunsmoke]

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Not to mention Rockliff as well

 

[Electric is the Love]

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I find it interesting that there's not much talk of Membrey eventually being a mid. I understand he hasn't the greatest agility but he's a huge body, not unlike J Kennedy. I'm particularly keen on him with one of our second rounders.

 

[Martin_Riewoldt]

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I find it interesting that there's not much talk of Membrey eventually being a mid. I understand he hasn't the greatest agility but he's a huge body, not unlike J Kennedy. I'm particularly keen on him with one of our second rounders.

Unfortunately, due to his recent explosive form, Membrey will likely be out of reach for one of our second round picks. It'd be a miracle if he lasted till 29.

 

[tigs2010]

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Unfortunately, due to his recent explosive form, Membrey will likely be out of reach for one of our second round picks. It'd be a miracle if he lasted till 29.

Agree. I think he falls around the 20 mark.

 

[tigs2010]

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For me I feel we need the following:
1 A-Grade midfielder - best bet is to use pick 9 in the draft or trade it for Tyson along with something else.
1 Back-Up ruck - almost impossible to trade for this type. Best bet is to rookie a mature-ager around 22/23
1 Developing ruck - rookie list a promising 18 year old ruck who has some tools but needs a few years development where he can play 3rds and work his way up.
1 KPD - I think it's pretty obvious we are going to use Free Agency to fill this hole with Chaplin and should tick this need off pretty quickly.
1 CHF - I think we need one who is ready to go. So a state-league is our best bet IMO. Someone with good size and workrate.
1 Small forward - have to go to the draft for this. Would like one that can go into the midfield and pinch hit there similar to Edwards but maybe with some more speed and better kicking skills.
1 Medium forward - ideally they'd be able to play midfield too and maybe the Post for Karnezis rumour is true. Otherwise I think it's hit the draft. Knights I guess sort of fits in this category but I'd classify him more as midfield depth.
Midfield depth - use our pick 29/31 on some more midfield depth. May get another A-grader out of this you just never know and even though I said 1 A-grade midfielder I'd be ok with getting 2 or 3. Once picking up a back up ruck and developing ruck I'd fill the list with state league midfielders. Plus we are getting Gideon Simon as a midfielder/small forward as well. (Not sure if he takes up a list spot either?) Then we have Free Agency to pick up Knights as well. Maybe 5 players need to fit this category.

FREE AGENCY

Chris Knights - Adds to our midfield depth as well as being able to play as that medium forward. Not sold on him being best 22 but an injury to say a Grigg and he could find himself in the side on a wing.

Troy Chaplin - Gives us our plug and play KPD that we need to add in order not to fall apart if Grimes goes down. Also gives us the option of sending Griff forward or giving him the necessary time to develop.

TRADE WEEK

Matt Thomas - seems we are keen and he would certainly add to our midfield depth. Would chuck them a token pick (pick 68ish) or a player swap. Doubt they are all that keen to keep him and may do a Morton trade with us as we do have a rather good history with them.

Pat Karnezis - still trying to find out who came up with the rumour last night on SEN but a straight swap for Post would be fine with me. Maybe a swap of late picks. Post would get good game time for Brisbane and they could end up with a solid player if they could give him a spot to make his own rather than throwing around everywhere like we have. We get a medium forward that we need who can pinch hit in the middle. Not sold he will make it and could be a bust but worth a try.

NATIONAL DRAFT

Pick 9 - Jonathan O'Rourke (183cm/74kg - Midfielder) - With guys like MacRae bolting up the order I'm starting to get excited that this guy may be there at pick 9. Also feel that Mason Shaw will probably go before our pick to someone like Brisbane as I think he is underrated in the East and he is a big game player. (Also, come on GC bid on Viney) O'Rourke gives us our potential A-grade midfielder. Quick, clean, skilful but having come back from injury this year probably hasn't had as good a year as he would like so he could last. Needs to pack on some muscle to improve his ball-winning.

Pick 29 - Josh Simpson (183cm/72kg - Midfielder/Forward) - People will laugh at this but I think this is his potential spot to be picked. Been very inconsistent this year which is a shame because he is super-talented but I feel outside Stringer this kid will be the big slider. If he puts it together he could be an A-grader but he has a long, long way to go to find that sort of consistency. Would like Nick Graham but think he will rise up the rankings and go top 20 and Membrey's finals will push him up there as well. Otherwise I'd grab these 2 over Simpson.

Pick 31 - Tim Broomhead (182cm/73kg - Midfielder/Forward) - A guy I didn't pay much attention to early but he is a very good, consistent player. Has neat skills and some speed. May not reach heights greater than a 2nd tier midfielder but feel he is a low risk/solid citizen who can play midfield or forward. Think he could end up our Brandon Ellis level player who goes forward. Could go first round but there are probably higher potential guys who will go before him. I see his career panning out similar to a Sidebottom in that he will start as a HFF with stints in the middle before becoming a full-time mid.

Pick 50 - Marvin Warrell (182cm/70kg - Small Forward/Midfielder) - Indigenous kid from WA who I've talked up before as an exciting small forward. Really good leap, skills, speed, defensive pressure and goal sense. Could very well last to a rookie pick but I feel this kid is a big game player which I must ask how often do you see that in a small forward? Has a real ability to push up into the midfield and win the footy and was the leading disposal winner and BOG in the WAFL Colts Grand Final with 23 possessions, 7 inside 50's and 3 goals. Super damaging player.

ROOKIE DRAFT

Justin Hardy (196cm/97kg - KPF) - Big-bodied CHF from Central Districts. Has earnt himself a state screening invite. This has been his first year as a KPF and I think won the SANFL version of the Coleman. Is a really good size and would compliment the smaller Jack and the super tall Vickery.

Jack Hannath (200cm/100kg - Ruck) - Mature age ruck also from Central Districts. He's 22 from memory and really stepped up this year and would be a handy back up ruck if we aren't going to rookie list big Browney.

Mack Byron-Pendergast (Ruck) - 18 year old promising ruckman. Averaging close to 20 H/O a game but not getting much ball at this stage.

Myke Cook (Midfielder) - State League midfielder from Sandringham. Ex-Adelaide and having a promising season in the VFL.

Mitch Clisby (HBF/Midfielder) - damaging defender from North Adelaide. Super talented and at 23 is ready to go.

Shane Valenti (Midfielder) - Only small but proved when on Melbourne's list he can rack up the ball. As the last pick in the rookie draft I feel we could pick him up as he is ready to go and we aren't likely to pick up a better kid at pick 60+ in a rookie draft.

CHECKLIST

1 x A-grade Midfielder - Jonothan O'Rourke (potentially Josh Simpson)
1 x Back-Up Ruck - Jack Hannath
1 x Developing Ruck - Mack Byron-Pendergast
1 x KPD - Troy Chaplin
1 x KPF - Justin Hardy
1 x small forward - Marvin Warrell
1 x medium forward - Pat Karnezis
Midfield Depth - Chris Knights, Matt Thomas, Josh Simpson, Tim Broomhead, Myke Cook, Shane Valenti, Mitch Clisby (running back/wing)

 

[Leysy Days]

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Unfortunately, due to his recent explosive form, Membrey will likely be out of reach for one of our second round picks. It'd be a miracle if he lasted till 29.

Leysy's only getting across the junior tapes now, but wouldnt be so sure of that.

Guys that are 188cm & play key forward in juniors will typically slide well down, even if dominant. If recruiters are 100% he can transition to high forward/midfield at AFL level thats a different story.

Leysy hasnt seen enough of him to answer that, but will clubs be that confident that he can?

History says he could go well later than is predicted. Thats not knocking him, just that if we do like him, he could be available later than we all think.

 

[mad_tiggy911]

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Leysy's only getting across the junior tapes now, but wouldnt be so sure of that.

Where can I find these tapes Leysy?

 

[bullus_hit]

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Leysy's only getting across the junior tapes now, but wouldnt be so sure of that.

Guys that are 188cm & play key forward in juniors will typically slide well down, even if dominant. If recruiters are 100% he can transition to high forward/midfield at AFL level thats a different story.

Leysy hasnt seen enough of him to answer that, but will clubs be that confident that he can?

History says he could go well later than is predicted. Thats not knocking him, just that if we do like him, he could be available later than we all think.

Correct Leysy, happens every year, Shane Kersten being the example last season despite being 3cm taller. Others that have been mentioned like Rockliff and Ling were also sliders, Rockliff absolutely starred in the TAC final yet missed the main draft.

 

[blx]

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1 x A-grade Midfielder - Jonothan O'Rourke (potentially Josh Simpson)
1 x Back-Up Ruck - Jack Hannath
1 x Developing Ruck - Mack Byron-Pendergast
1 x KPD - Troy Chaplin
1 x KPF - Justin Hardy
1 x small forward - Marvin Warrell
1 x medium forward - Pat Karnezis
Midfield Depth - Chris Knights, Matt Thomas, Josh Simpson, Tim Broomhead, Myke Cook, Shane Valenti, Mitch Clisby (running back/wing)

good post tig but if we get matt thomas and chris knights in during trade week then id like to see some taller/bigger sized mids drafted (Vlaustin/Mayes).

All of your draftees are sub 185cm types which means we could end up with abit of a mosquito fleet.

I think we need to bring some 185+ mids to the table so we can develop an even balance of speed, grunt and size.

We also have conca/ellis/arnot and helbig to come in and they are all sub 185 mids off the top of my head.

add them to your list and thats a hell of alot of small mids on our list.

 

[turk-d-tiger]

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If Dom Tyson doesnt eventuate- which looks unlikely

I would much prefer to go hard for Caddy, He is exactly the type we need and i would disregard the talking down on the internet about josh, He would be a beauty in our lineup rotating with Martin,Cotchin,Delidio.

Pick #9 + Post - Caddy + Gc 2nd round I believe would be possible

 

[pahoffm]

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For me I feel we need the following:
1 A-Grade midfielder - best bet is to use pick 9 in the draft or trade it for Tyson along with something else.
1 Back-Up ruck - almost impossible to trade for this type. Best bet is to rookie a mature-ager around 22/23
1 Developing ruck - rookie list a promising 18 year old ruck who has some tools but needs a few years development where he can play 3rds and work his way up.
1 KPD - I think it's pretty obvious we are going to use Free Agency to fill this hole with Chaplin and should tick this need off pretty quickly.
1 CHF - I think we need one who is ready to go. So a state-league is our best bet IMO. Someone with good size and workrate.
1 Small forward - have to go to the draft for this. Would like one that can go into the midfield and pinch hit there similar to Edwards but maybe with some more speed and better kicking skills.
1 Medium forward - ideally they'd be able to play midfield too and maybe the Post for Karnezis rumour is true. Otherwise I think it's hit the draft. Knights I guess sort of fits in this category but I'd classify him more as midfield depth.
Midfield depth - use our pick 29/31 on some more midfield depth. May get another A-grader out of this you just never know and even though I said 1 A-grade midfielder I'd be ok with getting 2 or 3. Once picking up a back up ruck and developing ruck I'd fill the list with state league midfielders. Plus we are getting Gideon Simon as a midfielder/small forward as well. (Not sure if he takes up a list spot either?) Then we have Free Agency to pick up Knights as well. Maybe 5 players need to fit this category.

FREE AGENCY

Chris Knights - Adds to our midfield depth as well as being able to play as that medium forward. Not sold on him being best 22 but an injury to say a Grigg and he could find himself in the side on a wing.

Troy Chaplin - Gives us our plug and play KPD that we need to add in order not to fall apart if Grimes goes down. Also gives us the option of sending Griff forward or giving him the necessary time to develop.

TRADE WEEK

Matt Thomas - seems we are keen and he would certainly add to our midfield depth. Would chuck them a token pick (pick 68ish) or a player swap. Doubt they are all that keen to keep him and may do a Morton trade with us as we do have a rather good history with them.

Pat Karnezis - still trying to find out who came up with the rumour last night on SEN but a straight swap for Post would be fine with me. Maybe a swap of late picks. Post would get good game time for Brisbane and they could end up with a solid player if they could give him a spot to make his own rather than throwing around everywhere like we have. We get a medium forward that we need who can pinch hit in the middle. Not sold he will make it and could be a bust but worth a try.

NATIONAL DRAFT

Pick 9 - Jonathan O'Rourke (183cm/74kg - Midfielder) - With guys like MacRae bolting up the order I'm starting to get excited that this guy may be there at pick 9. Also feel that Mason Shaw will probably go before our pick to someone like Brisbane as I think he is underrated in the East and he is a big game player. (Also, come on GC bid on Viney) O'Rourke gives us our potential A-grade midfielder. Quick, clean, skilful but having come back from injury this year probably hasn't had as good a year as he would like so he could last. Needs to pack on some muscle to improve his ball-winning.

Pick 29 - Josh Simpson (183cm/72kg - Midfielder/Forward) - People will laugh at this but I think this is his potential spot to be picked. Been very inconsistent this year which is a shame because he is super-talented but I feel outside Stringer this kid will be the big slider. If he puts it together he could be an A-grader but he has a long, long way to go to find that sort of consistency. Would like Nick Graham but think he will rise up the rankings and go top 20 and Membrey's finals will push him up there as well. Otherwise I'd grab these 2 over Simpson.

Pick 31 - Tim Broomhead (182cm/73kg - Midfielder/Forward) - A guy I didn't pay much attention to early but he is a very good, consistent player. Has neat skills and some speed. May not reach heights greater than a 2nd tier midfielder but feel he is a low risk/solid citizen who can play midfield or forward. Think he could end up our Brandon Ellis level player who goes forward. Could go first round but there are probably higher potential guys who will go before him. I see his career panning out similar to a Sidebottom in that he will start as a HFF with stints in the middle before becoming a full-time mid.

Pick 50 - Marvin Warrell (182cm/70kg - Small Forward/Midfielder) - Indigenous kid from WA who I've talked up before as an exciting small forward. Really good leap, skills, speed, defensive pressure and goal sense. Could very well last to a rookie pick but I feel this kid is a big game player which I must ask how often do you see that in a small forward? Has a real ability to push up into the midfield and win the footy and was the leading disposal winner and BOG in the WAFL Colts Grand Final with 23 possessions, 7 inside 50's and 3 goals. Super damaging player.

ROOKIE DRAFT

Justin Hardy (196cm/97kg - KPF) - Big-bodied CHF from Central Districts. Has earnt himself a state screening invite. This has been his first year as a KPF and I think won the SANFL version of the Coleman. Is a really good size and would compliment the smaller Jack and the super tall Vickery.

Jack Hannath (200cm/100kg - Ruck) - Mature age ruck also from Central Districts. He's 22 from memory and really stepped up this year and would be a handy back up ruck if we aren't going to rookie list big Browney.

Mack Byron-Pendergast (Ruck) - 18 year old promising ruckman. Averaging close to 20 H/O a game but not getting much ball at this stage.

Myke Cook (Midfielder) - State League midfielder from Sandringham. Ex-Adelaide and having a promising season in the VFL.

Mitch Clisby (HBF/Midfielder) - damaging defender from North Adelaide. Super talented and at 23 is ready to go.

Shane Valenti (Midfielder) - Only small but proved when on Melbourne's list he can rack up the ball. As the last pick in the rookie draft I feel we could pick him up as he is ready to go and we aren't likely to pick up a better kid at pick 60+ in a rookie draft.

CHECKLIST

1 x A-grade Midfielder - Jonothan O'Rourke (potentially Josh Simpson)
1 x Back-Up Ruck - Jack Hannath
1 x Developing Ruck - Mack Byron-Pendergast
1 x KPD - Troy Chaplin
1 x KPF - Justin Hardy
1 x small forward - Marvin Warrell
1 x medium forward - Pat Karnezis
Midfield Depth - Chris Knights, Matt Thomas, Josh Simpson, Tim Broomhead, Myke Cook, Shane Valenti, Mitch Clisby (running back/wing)

Well done Tigs.

Clearly much thought & research went into it.

 

[Barnzy]

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I see a massive hole in our defence looking ahead if we don't nail a KP type for our backline in this draft.

If we don't trade our 1st pick I for one would be taking the best KPD available,no mucking around & hoping somebody is available at our second pick just get the defender that we we will sorely need in 3-4 years time.

Rodda would me my pick, plenty of quality mids will still be available at our 2nd & 3rd picks.

Can bet your life we won't be picking a key back especially with our first pick.

 

[tigs2010]

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good post tig but if we get matt thomas and chris knights in during trade week then id like to see some taller/bigger sized mids drafted (Vlaustin/Mayes).

All of your draftees are sub 185cm types which means we could end up with abit of a mosquito fleet.

I think we need to bring some 185+ mids to the table so we can develop an even balance of speed, grunt and size.

We also have conca/ellis/arnot and helbig to come in and they are all sub 185 mids off the top of my head.

add them to your list and thats a hell of alot of small mids on our list.

When I was choosing the players I liked best that could be available I was thinking wtf is this fetish with 183cm guys. But personally I don't see that height as an issue. It's not like any of them are sub 180cm. Thomas is 186cm too fwiw. Of my choices O'Rourke is probably least likely and someone like Vlastuin will probably enter the mix which would give you the taller option. Maybe a MacRae even. Later on I'm struggling to see who would be worthwhile tbh of anyone taller. It's a bit of a mosquito fleet draft. Maybe a Stringer slides to 30 if he tests poorly ala Grigg last year. Maybe a Towers over Broomhead or Simpson but I don't think he is as good as either of those and he's already 4 years older. Tim Sumner is one I do like though and is 187cm. Ben Jacobs rumour hopefully has some legs. especially if it's just a downgraded pick would be awesome. He is also 186cm.

Anyway I don't think we would end up that small.

Tuck 190cm
Jackson 190cm
Grigg 190cm
Deledio 188cm
Martin 187cm
Thomas 186cm
Cotchin 185cm
Helbig 185cm
Conca 185cm
Knights 184cm
O'Rourke 183cm
Simpson 183cm
Cook 183cm
Clisby 183cm

14 midfielders 6ft and above.

 

[tigs2010]

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Well done Tigs.

Clearly much thought & research went into it.

Thanks for the kind words Phantom. Appreciate it.