Pick 12 discussion.

[pahoffm]

fascinating draft.

RFC in a very awkward position if a KPP falls.

of course it's nice to stockpile tall talent, but we need immediate midfield impact in 2015. a talented tall would simply mean we missed an opportunity to trade one of the talls we already have.

only Wright would turn my head at pick 12. McCartin won't happen naturally.

One tall junior that looked to be very good value was Oscar McDonald of the NBR as a 3rd round pick.

Oscar McDonald is 18yo, 197cm, 94kg, played both as forward & back.
TAC Averages: Games 19, Disps 14, DEff 65%, Marks 6
VFL: Games 1, Disps 9, DEff 78%, Marks 3
Further, a 99+ ENTER score last year in his studies.

Could be another Benny Gale in the making.

 

[shad]

One tall junior that looked to be very good value was Oscar McDonald of the NBR as a 3rd round pick.

Oscar McDonald is 18yo, 197cm, 94kg, played both as forward & back.
TAC Averages: Games 19, Disps 14, DEff 65%, Marks 6
VFL: Games 1, Disps 9, DEff 78%, Marks 3
Further, a 99+ ENTER score last year in his studies.

Could be another Benny Gale in the making.

Could be a Jacko replacement.

 

[Smoking Aces]

Strange argument. This is an internet forum where everyone's opinion is pretty much worth the same as everyone elses.

FWIW I think Bully is one of the more reasonable people who seem to know their stuff on here yet he's happy to concede he may not be right or happy to admit afterwards he may have got it wrong.

I think this draft has polarised opinions which has been great. It's caused some heated posts but I am sure everyone is big enough to not let it bother them.

Let's not discourage new posters from contributing. I know F.F.F. from another forum. He is a respected poster on junior players just like Bullus is on here.

 

[Baloo]

Not trying to discourage anyone. If anything trying to keep the debate ongoing in a manner that encourages debate.

FWIW I spit chips if Ellis is available at pick 12 and we don't take him

 

[scottyturnerscurse]

Yarn about Ellis and Keilor FC

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-21/keilors-draft-raiders

 

[GEDS1]

It's interesting that those tht have seen him close over many seasons mainly coaches talk of Ellis being the player out of that bunch who is all class - "Rolls Royce" was used and Dal Santo comparison made so he must be very good.

 

[GEDS1]

And I truly believe we will take him so will spend a few days getting used to it

 

[bullus_hit]

And I truly believe we will take him so will spend a few days getting used to it

Maybe, but in the event we overlook him I reckon he'll slide, we appear to be the only club with significant links.

 

[Tiger2]

I've read the arguments about pace not being available later but I wonder if we are targeting less pace early to pick up the better talent? This is on my understanding that everyone is looking for pace 1st. Duggan is meant to have less pace but pace aside is he the best for a mid outside that criteria? Better to the extent that at #33 we wouldn't get near what he has to offer?

 

[Stylo]

Maybe, but in the event we overlook him I reckon he'll slide, we appear to be the only club with significant links.

Won't get past North.

 

[bullus_hit]

I've read the arguments about pace not being available later but I wonder if we are targeting less pace early to pick up the better talent? This is on my understanding that everyone is looking for pace 1st. Duggan is meant to have less pace but pace aside is he the best for a mid outside that criteria? Better to the extent that at #33 we wouldn't get near what he has to offer?

I see Duggan primarily as a replacement for Newman, something which he would do very well, at least in his first couple of years. As to whether he'll transition to the midfield, difficult to say, his kicking is such an asset that I see him finding a permanent home in defence. At this stage he's more Kade Simpson than Nick Dal Santo but he's got a good head on his shoulders so you never know.

For A grade pace it's Weller, Cockatoo, Laverde & Pickett, in no particular order, hopefully we get one of these guys. With our second it's looking like McKenzie, Garlett, Menadue and Boekhorst will be off the board. Freo have apparently entered the bidding for Boekhorst so he's flying up the charts, my guess is Carlton or Collingwood will bite at 28 or 30.

Our pick 33 is looking good for one of Miller, Neal-Bullen, Blakely or Gore. This just adds weight to the argument that we should lock in pace early, all those guys are solid selections and will play in 2015.

One thing's for certain is that this draft goes deep, I'm confident we can land a good talent at 52 as well. The injured duo of Bampton & McGrath could be steals, Lonie stands a great chance of being available, he's one of the best small forwards in this year's draft class. Don't think we'll get a shot at Webb or McLean but they would also be solid selections. Rose is another to consider at this pick.

At 70 I have McGuinness, Beasley, Daniel & Saad on the short list. Don't think Daniel is on our radar but I still think he represents value.

Won't get past North.

Not so sure, particularly if Goddard, Langford & De Goey go early. There will be some significant talent on board by that pick. Let's say Weller is available, or Cockatoo, can't see them taking Ellis to be honest. There's even a chance they will go for Garlett, he's looking like a late first rounder.

 

[Mr Brightside]

I remember the 06 draft when Essendon scooped the draft pool they said that night, guns like Gumbleton, Hislop, Jetta an our boy Basher. An others..you never know how it will turn out

 

[Jonesracing82]

I see Duggan primarily as a replacement for Newman, something which he would do very well, at least in his first couple of years. As to whether he'll transition to the midfield, difficult to say, his kicking is such an asset that I see him finding a permanent home in defence. At this stage he's more Kade Simpson than Nick Dal Santo but he's got a good head on his shoulders so you never know.

For A grade pace it's Weller, Cockatoo, Laverde & Pickett, in no particular order, hopefully we get one of these guys. With our second it's looking like McKenzie, Garlett, Menadue and Boekhorst will be off the board. Freo have apparently entered the bidding for Boekhorst so he's flying up the charts, my guess is Carlton or Collingwood will bite at 28 or 30.

Our pick 33 is looking good for one of Miller, Neal-Bullen, Blakely or Gore. This just adds weight to the argument that we should lock in pace early, all those guys are solid selections and will play in 2015.

One thing's for certain is that this draft goes deep, I'm confident we can land a good talent at 52 as well. The injured duo of Bampton & McGrath could be steals, Lonie stands a great chance of being available, he's one of the best small forwards in this year's draft class. Don't think we'll get a shot at Webb or McLean but they would also be solid selections. Rose is another to consider at this pick.

At 70 I have McGuinness, Beasley, Daniel & Saad on the short list. Don't think Daniel is on our radar but I still think he represents value.

Not so sure, particularly if Goddard, Langford & De Goey go early. There will be some significant talent on board by that pick. Let's say Weller is available, or Cockatoo, can't see them taking Ellis to be honest. There's even a chance they will go for Garlett, he's looking like a late first rounder.

C.Twomey reckons Gore could be 45+ and we have shown interest so could add him to the selection group at #52 and have one of the other 3 at #33 as well could be interesting. Twomey is the main one linking Ellis at #12 too so who knows......

 

[bullus_hit]

I remember the 06 draft when Essendon scooped the draft pool they said that night, guns like Gumbleton, Hislop, Jetta an our boy Basher. An others..you never know how it will turn out

That's so true, sometimes we have to wade through the hype and give these boys some time. There is the odd occasion where many just go bang in the first year, Brisbane did very well last year with Taylor, Aish, Cutler, Robertson and Darcy Gardiner.

This just gives me optimism that we can make significant inroads if we draft well, I'm hoping that by going for the pace first philosophy we can also inject some talent into the team in 2015. Top 4 is the aim, we cannot allow clubs like Port & Hawthorn to assert their dominance. Their recent recruiting has been the new template for success in my mind.

C.Twomey reckons Gore could be 45+ and we have shown interest so could add him to the selection group at #52 and have one of the other 3 at #33 as well could be interesting. Twomey is the main one linking Ellis at #12 too so who knows......

I have him ranked fourth in that list so it wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility. I'd even be tempted to roll the dice and move Webb into that group, hoping Gore slides.

 

[Stylo]

Not so sure, particularly if Goddard, Langford & De Goey go early. There will be some significant talent on board by that pick. Let's say Weller is available, or Cockatoo, can't see them taking Ellis to be honest. There's even a chance they will go for Garlett, he's looking like a late first rounder.

Fair point, perhaps I shouldn't be so definitive. What I mean is I've heard North rate him as highly as we do... Point being we're not the only club that likes him for an early pick.

 

[Aegean Tiger]

Great debate on this thread. We really do need a quality player with line breaking pace and ability to win his own ball. Who would that be?

 

[Jonesracing82]

That's so true, sometimes we have to wade through the hype and give these boys some time. There is the odd occasion where many just go bang in the first year, Brisbane did very well last year with Taylor, Aish, Cutler, Robertson and Darcy Gardiner.

This just gives me optimism that we can make significant inroads if we draft well, I'm hoping that by going for the pace first philosophy we can also inject some talent into the team in 2015. Top 4 is the aim, we cannot allow clubs like Port & Hawthorn to assert their dominance. Their recent recruiting has been the new template for success in my mind.

I have him ranked fourth in that list so it wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility. I'd even be tempted to roll the dice and move Webb into that group, hoping Gore slides.

as a matter of interest, do you know how Ellis's stats compare to Dunstan's from last year?

 

[nikolasmia]

IMHO ellis will have a better career than dunstan, he is a much much classier player.

 

[scottyturnerscurse]

Won't get past North.

And plenty of support from their supporters if they did pick him.

 

[bullus_hit]

as a matter of interest, do you know how Ellis's stats compare to Dunstan's from last year?

Dunstan was playing senior football in his draft year, he was a near monty to make a big impact. Ellis is still very light so maybe he spends a year building up some strength. The senior experience is what makes Blakely so appealing, someone will get a steal I predict, he is the clearance king of the kids and will rival Dunstan for impact.

Great debate on this thread. We really do need a quality player with line breaking pace and ability to win his own ball. Who would that be?

Cockatoo, Laverde, Weller & Pickett are the A-graders.