Pick 12 discussion.

[TigerMasochist]

Interesting article in today's Hun about Petracca, usual mish mash of bits n pieces then a bit about him trying to match Ollie Wines beep n time trial numbers. Pretty much matched the beep but had to pass on the three K time trial as his hip issues flared up.
Anyone know anything further? Has he got bone spurs similar to Kruezer or something, has he had a clean up? Bloody ridiculous the amount of kids coming through the junior systems nowadays that seem to have so many medical issues that need fixing before or just after they make a senior list.

 

[Smoking Aces]

He will be when we look back in a couple of years Smoker.

Yep - agree.

If his name was Jarrod Rioli he would have been looked at as a top 5 pick.

 

[Scoop]

Yep - agree.

If his name was Jarrod Rioli he would have been looked at as a top 5 pick.

If we zip, pace and flair I've got no problems calling him at 12. Would take ahead of Ellis.

Pickett is the best in this class for this skills but the gap back to Garlett isn't huge. And with the right development no doubt Garlett can be the best in this class. Lewis Jetta is the mould. But a better kick.

 

[Tigers of Old]

There seems no doubt that we are interested in Ellis but that may be because we expect him to be available and doesn't mean we won't pick someone who we rated higher but we didn't expect to be available at pick 12.

Exactly. Frank will have 3 or 4 players in preference as to who he thinks will be on the board as our first pick.
Ellis (if indeed he is one of them) will be ranked accordingly as to who he thinks is best available.
That doesn't necessarily mean it will be his ideal selection.

 

[MTiger]

Interesting article in today's Hun about Petracca, usual mish mash of bits n pieces then a bit about him trying to match Ollie Wines beep n time trial numbers. Pretty much matched the beep but had to pass on the three K time trial as his hip issues flared up.
Anyone know anything further? Has he got bone spurs similar to Kruezer or something, has he had a clean up? Bloody ridiculous the amount of kids coming through the junior systems nowadays that seem to have so many medical issues that need fixing before or just after they make a senior list.

From CP himself:

He woke up on Friday morning, the final day of the combine, feeling sore in the hips and groins. Petracca has lasting niggles from hip tendon strains he suffered from overuse during his basketball days, and didn't want to run the 3km time trial. He asked the AFL if he could sit it out, but Kevin Sheehan and Michael Ablett told him to do it.

After one lap, he felt sore. By the fourth, he felt he couldn't go on, and with one to go, he hobbled out of the time-trial. He knew he was in the spotlight, and was disappointed his week ended that way.

"I've had a history of torn hip ligaments and it definitely makes me more prone to become more tired after running on hard floors," he says. "It was just too sore to keep going."

 

[FistFullOfDollars]

What pricks. It's not like he was not going to get drafted if he didn't do it.they always say you should listen to your body.

 

[bullus_hit]

I don't NOT rate Ellis. I'm not for or against us drafting anybody in any definitive way because I haven't watched these kids on any level outside of research online and highlight clips. How many matches did you attend this year? Or are you like me and just really passionate about the draft and read/watch everything possible to form an opinion?

I've seen enough of Ellis at the carnival to make my mind up, I also make it a habit to watch the TAC highlight packages, along with vision from the WAFL & SANFL, not ideal but it gives me some idea. Stats come into play as do various opinions, I don't pretend to be an expert but you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about me expressing an opinion. Unlike some draft watchers I'm willing to make definitive calls, I personally don't see the point in talking up every player as the next Gary Ablett.

And I did.

Don't understand why you are bringing this up again, you made a typo and I thought we've moved on. Obviously not.

 

[Stylo]

yeah possibly Styles, perhaps Corey Ellis (not my first pick ;D) is as close to a plug and play as we can get?

I can just imagine Dimma, all coaches for that matter, harassing their list managers for the immediate impact type.

this is exactly why the best list managers have the balls to simply say - 'you do your job, i'll do mine.'

I would hope we're past that stage as a club. As nice as immediate impact is, we've gotta look at what we believe are the best long term options. They may see Ellis that way and fair enough if so.

 

[uhuh uhuh]

From CP himself:

He woke up on Friday morning, the final day of the combine, feeling sore in the hips and groins. Petracca has lasting niggles from hip tendon strains he suffered from overuse during his basketball days, and didn't want to run the 3km time trial. He asked the AFL if he could sit it out, but Kevin Sheehan and Michael Ablett told him to do it.

After one lap, he felt sore. By the fourth, he felt he couldn't go on, and with one to go, he hobbled out of the time-trial. He knew he was in the spotlight, and was disappointed his week ended that way.

"I've had a history of torn hip ligaments and it definitely makes me more prone to become more tired after running on hard floors," he says. "It was just too sore to keep going."

Poor kid.

Will get drafted but probably spend a long time in rehab.

 

[Smoking Aces]

What pricks. It's not like he was not going to get drafted if he didn't do it.they always say you should listen to your body.

No. Its called being able to push through adversity. What happens when there is 5 minutes to go in a tight game and your body is sore and tired? You either pack it in and call it a day or push through it and help your team get over the line.

The test for Petracca there was not his ability to break records but the ability to push through the pain barrier and finish the task. Recruiters would have known he was sore or injured. What they would have been looking for is whether he has the mental toughness to push through the pain barrier.

 

[btoz_01]

We get slaughtered by teams that have pace and are able to carry the ball
We dont need any more plodders (Ellis) we need players with pace , are prepared to take the game on and break lines (Cockatoo, Weller)

 

[Stylo]

We get slaughtered by teams that have pace and are able to carry the ball
We dont need any more plodders (Ellis) we need players with pace , are prepared to take the game on and break lines (Cockatoo, Weller)

We get slaughtered most by teams who win the ball first. We need composed and skilled inside players every bit as much as outside speed IMO.

 

[Chimptastic]

No. Its called being able to push through adversity. What happens when there is 5 minutes to go in a tight game and your body is sore and tired? You either pack it in and call it a day or push through it and help your team get over the line.

The test for Petracca there was not his ability to break records but the ability to push through the pain barrier and finish the task. Recruiters would have known he was sore or injured. What they would have been looking for is whether he has the mental toughness to push through the pain barrier.

Yeah, this attitude is necessary for developing mental toughness in these kids, even if it may cause more injuries.

Some will break down, but all will be mentally tougher. This benefits the AFL competition as a whole in the long run. Big picture.

 

[Tigerdog]

We get slaughtered by teams that have pace and are able to carry the ball
We dont need any more plodders (Ellis) we need players with pace , are prepared to take the game on and break lines (Cockatoo, Weller)

Exactly

 

[Teckor]

Actually a player that's not talked about much but could get to 12, and it would hard to overlook is Jake Lever. Missed the whole season with a knee reco. Has all the leadership qualities that the club looks for. Could easily see him taking the 3rd tall position off the HBF. He just completed a triathlon so has the endurance capabilities so could even potentially play a bit of midfield role down the track.

If you look at the keys in Richmond's defence - Rance is the key player and is out of contract & a FA at the end of 2015. Expect that he will sign though. Chaplin turns 29 before the start of next season. Astbury is injury prone. And Elton.

Anyway, just a thought. The club could look at midfielders from the second round on.

 

[Brodders17]

We get slaughtered most by teams who win the ball first. We need composed and skilled inside players every bit as much as outside speed IMO.

exactly. Carlton get a run on against us when the start winning contested ball. Port thrashed us in quality contested ball in the EF. Against North we won the contested ball early and were winning the game.
when we control the ball we usually win. when we cant get our hands on the ball we dont.

outside pace will help us. quality inside ball winners will equally.

 

[FistFullOfDollars]

Actually a player that's not talked about much but could get to 12, and it would hard to overlook is Jake Lever. Missed the whole season with a knee reco. Has all the leadership qualities that the club looks for. Could easily see him taking the 3rd tall position off the HBF. He just completed a triathlon so has the endurance capabilities so could even potentially play a bit of midfield role down the track.

If you look at the keys in Richmond's defence - Rance is the key player and is out of contract & a FA at the end of 2015. Expect that he will sign though. Chaplin turns 29 before the start of next season. Astbury is injury prone. And Elton.

Anyway, just a thought. The club could look at midfielders from the second round on.

Apparently LEver has asperations to be a midfielder and if he was fit this year that is where he would have played at the Cannons.

 

[Tigerdog]

exactly. Carlton get a run on against us when the start winning contested ball. Port thrashed us in quality contested ball in the EF. Against North we won the contested ball early and were winning the game.
when we control the ball we usually win. when we cant get our hands on the ball we dont.

outside pace will help us. quality inside ball winners will equally.

Which we can likely get at our 2nd pick

 

[Teckor]

Apparently LEver has asperations to be a midfielder and if he was fit this year that is where he would have played at the Cannons.

Yeah, on Lever there was a article on the AFL website on him a while back saying that a few recruiters were expecting that with his skills midfield will be the best position for him down the track. Could be a rare 193cm key position/midfielder.

 

[Chimptastic]

Apparently LEver has asperations to be a midfielder and if he was fit this year that is where he would have played at the Cannons.

It shows he has confidence in his ability to read the game and is ambitious. Alex Rance had similar aspirations if I recall correctly, although I think he was more interested in playing on the wing or as a running HBF rather than ruck rover.