Pick 12 discussion.

[Carter]

fascinating draft.

RFC in a very awkward position if a KPP falls.

of course it's nice to stockpile tall talent, but we need immediate midfield impact in 2015. a talented tall would simply mean we missed an opportunity to trade one of the talls we already have.

only Wright would turn my head at pick 12. McCartin won't happen naturally.

 

[Smoking Aces]

That's a great scenario, ignoring Vanilla Ice for a moment, choosing a player from Weller, Laverde, Lever & De Goey would be tough. I think I'd jump straight on Laverde, he's a wonderful talent with a big upside.

I am with you on this one BH. Laverde is a must. Fills a massive need for us.

Apart from the Deledio comparisons, he reminds me of Jackson McRae.

 

[Stylo]

fascinating draft.

RFC in a very awkward position if a KPP falls.

of course it's nice to stockpile tall talent, but we need immediate midfield impact in 2015. a talented tall would simply mean we missed an opportunity to trade one of the talls we already have.

only Wright would turn my head at pick 12. McCartin won't happen naturally.

I don't think any of the mids we might draft at 12 will give us an immediate impact Carts. Should be a Lennon-like year for whoever we pick, be it a tall or small. I expect the impact we need may come from guys like Lennon and McDonough however.

 

[Scoop]

fascinating draft.

Impossible to gauge.

Most wide open draft in my time closely watching, which is close to 12 years.

Pick 1 is locked, Gussy is locked at 2. Then, wide open. Anything is in play.

And Hugh Goddard is not worthy of a top 10 pick, would taken Wright & Durdin miles before Goddard.

 

[bullus_hit]

I am with you on this one BH. Laverde is a must. Fills a massive need for us.

Apart from the Deledio comparisons, he reminds me of Jackson McRae.

He shares many traits with those guys, for mine he has shown enough to suggest he's a younger Stevie J, in time I think he'll be playing through the midfield. We are screaming out for a pacy game breaker and Laverde can turn a game on it's head. If you had told me we might be in with a shot 1 month ago I wouldn't have believed you, it will be a massive coup if we get to call his name out at 12.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Just a query on Wright. Read in the paper a few days ago that Wright n a few others were having AFL approved secondary medical checks. Seems Wright has had a bit of back issues n something else this year, could probably explain the slider discussions.
Has anyone heard any thing further about these medical double checks? I believe there was about a dozen players who clubs requested further checks on, but haven't heard if there were any issues or if they all cleared.

 

[Smoking Aces]

For the junior watchers out there, can someone explain why Garlett is not rated as a first round pick?

For all the hoo-ha surrounding Cockatoo, Garlett looks like a more rounded player with just as much x-factor.

 

[mad_tiggy911]

If Laverde is there at 12 surely he's our man?

 

[turk-d-tiger]

Wright & Laverde wont be there at #12 - We are dreaming

 

[bullus_hit]

Just a query on Wright. Read in the paper a few days ago that Wright n a few others were having AFL approved secondary medical checks. Seems Wright has had a bit of back issues n something else this year, could probably explain the slider discussions.
Has anyone heard any thing further about these medical double checks? I believe there was about a dozen players who clubs requested further checks on, but haven't heard if there were any issues or if they all cleared.

Haven't heard anything TM, but that seems like a valid reason behind his slider status.

For the junior watchers out there, can someone explain why Garlett is not rated as a first round pick?

For all the hoo-ha surrounding Cockatoo, Garlett looks like a more rounded player with just as much x-factor.

Garlett has no inside game, none whatsoever. He played in two WAFL games and struggled a bit with the extra attention. Cockatoo has the inside credentials, he could actually work on his outside game if one was to be overly critical. Garlett's sprint times were also slower than expected, very similar to Billy Hartung but a long way off Cockatoo & Pickett. There's also the issue of AIS credentials, Garlett missed out so there's that to consider too. I think he stands a very good chance to make it if he can get out of WA, a fresh start would do him the world of good.

 

[Scoop]

The Cockys inside game is massively overrated and is mainly based on game that was played like a All Star game.

 

[Leysy Days]

For the junior watchers out there, can someone explain why Garlett is not rated as a first round pick?

He will be when we look back in a couple of years Smoker.

 

[bullus_hit]

The Cockys inside game is massively overrated and is mainly based on game that was played like a All Star game.

His contested possession ratio was 64% at the carnival last year, he also averaged 5.9 tackles.

 

[Leysy Days]

Personally I don't get hung up on names and highlight clips of the kids. I like what little I have seen of Weller but if Frank thinks Ellis is the best kid we can take then that'll do me until he's proven right or wrong.

Not in spirit of thread. Please delete.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Not in spirit of thread. Please delete.

Sorry revert to player X is an AFL gun or dud. ;D

 

[FistFullOfDollars]

Why did he pick Durdin at 12 then?

Think you means he ranks him the sixth best mid.

1. Petracca
2. Brayshaw
3. De Goey
4. Weller
5. Laverde
6. Ellis

One of his 3rd-5th preferred mids will be available at 12, no matter how you spin it FJ will be overlooking some significant talent by picking Ellis.

He rated Durdin higher and he was picking for Freo who have zero young KP talent outside of Zac Clarke? He had Ellis as his next best available if Durdin was gone.

And because I don't expect any of them to be available at my next pick, I might as well offer up my list for this selection...

1. Sam Durdin
2. Corey Ellis
3. Tom Lamb
4. Kyle Langford

Also, can I have the crystal ball you have that not only tells you that one of his higher mids will be available and that we won't pick them?

Sorry, in my previous post "6th best mid" got auto corrected to "6th best mixing"

 

[bullus_hit]

He rated Durdin higher and he was picking for Freo who have zero young KP talent outside of Zac Clarke? He had Ellis as his next best available if Durdin was gone.

Also, can I have the crystal ball you have that not only tells you that one of his higher mids will be available and that we won't pick them?

Sorry, in my previous post "6th best mid" got auto corrected to "6th best mixing"

I said 'if' FJ picks him at 12 it will be a reach. I gather you rate Ellis, in the draft you refer to he was picked at 23, that's about right from my perspective. There's plenty of other names I rank ahead of him, the way things are panning out I think we'll get a shot at either Laverde, Weller, De Goey, Lever or Cockatoo. If you have information to the contrary then feel free to post it.

 

[FistFullOfDollars]

I said 'if' FJ picks him at 12 it will be a reach. I gather you rate Ellis, in the draft you refer to he was picked at 23, that's about right from my perspective. There's plenty of other names I rank ahead of him, the way things are panning out I think we'll get a shot at either Laverde, Weller, De Goey, Lever or Cockatoo. If you have information to the contrary then feel free to post it.

I don't NOT rate Ellis. I'm not for or against us drafting anybody in any definitive way because I haven't watched these kids on any level outside of research online and highlight clips. How many matches did you attend this year? Or are you like me and just really passionate about the draft and read/watch everything possible to form an opinion?

I don't care that Ellis was taken at 23 in that mock draft you said

Show me one draft guru who rates him 6th best in the draft?

And I did.

 

[Sintiger]

Personally I don't get hung up on names and highlight clips of the kids. I like what little I have seen of Weller but if Frank thinks Ellis is the best kid we can take then that'll do me until he's proven right or wrong.

I have no idea like many of us.

There have been quite a few occasions where supporters have been unhappy with the choice in the first round but the one that comes to mind most readily is when Adelaide supporters were up in arms when Adelaide overlooked son of gun Ebert for a kid called Dangerfield.

I think it's fantastic that we have supporters so invested in the process and so passionate about who we pick but I hope the recruiters just stick to their guns in the end and trust their judgement. There seems no doubt that we are interested in Ellis but that may be because we expect him to be available and doesn't mean we won't pick someone who we rated higher but we didn't expect to be available at pick 12.

 

[Carter]

I don't think any of the mids we might draft at 12 will give us an immediate impact Carts. Should be a Lennon-like year for whoever we pick, be it a tall or small. I expect the impact we need may come from guys like Lennon and McDonough however.

yeah possibly Styles, perhaps Corey Ellis (not my first pick ;D) is as close to a plug and play as we can get?

I can just imagine Dimma, all coaches for that matter, harassing their list managers for the immediate impact type.

this is exactly why the best list managers have the balls to simply say - 'you do your job, i'll do mine.'