Pick 12 discussion.

[Mr Magic]

More news out of Herald Sun that Laverde and DeGoey could drop outside of top 10. Still they mention if we miss out of Duggan then likely to turn to Ellis.

HS indicating Langford at 5, Pickett, Goddard & Ahern to GWS, Duggan to GC at 8 and Wright to Geelong at 10. With Moore at 9 already a lock it means the 2 mentioned above drop. Can't see us overlooking them for Ellis if that is the case

 

[BrisTiger24]

Ellis seems underwhelming to me (bit like Conca a few years back...and that seems justified to date). Probably illustrates why we wanted to do the deal for Trengove as we may still have got Ellis at the downgraded pick by the sound of it?

 

[Teckor]

Don't worry people - Laverde, De Goey, Lever, Weller & Durdin are the the backup's if Ellis is taken before pick 12!

 

[Tigertool]

Laverde please.

 

[bullus_hit]

More news out of Herald Sun that Laverde and DeGoey could drop outside of top 10. Still they mention if we miss out of Duggan then likely to turn to Ellis.

HS indicating Langford at 5, Pickett, Goddard & Ahern to GWS, Duggan to GC at 8 and Wright to Geelong at 10. With Moore at 9 already a lock it means the 2 mentioned above drop. Can't see us overlooking them for Ellis if that is the case

How can we be considering Ellis over Weller, De Goey, Laverde & Lever? This is making me decidedly ill, the guy doesn't even have a history for high possession counts, his KE is under 50%, he averaged 2 clearances at the carnival and he isn't a run and carry player.

This is just plain dumb. Take a leaf out of Collingwood's book, take on a player with a bit of upside, any recruiter can pick a second rounder in the first round and then claim to have 'nailed' their pick based on games played. I just can't believe what I'm hearing.

 

[Smoking Aces]

More news out of Herald Sun that Laverde and DeGoey could drop outside of top 10. Still they mention if we miss out of Duggan then likely to turn to Ellis.

HS indicating Langford at 5, Pickett, Goddard & Ahern to GWS, Duggan to GC at 8 and Wright to Geelong at 10. With Moore at 9 already a lock it means the 2 mentioned above drop. Can't see us overlooking them for Ellis if that is the case

There you go again getting our hopes up. ;D

I have previously backed FJ in but if he overlooks Laverde then questions need to be asked.

 

[Rfc4Ever]

How can we be considering Ellis over Weller, De Goey, Laverde & Lever? This is making me decidedly ill

Smoke and mirrors I reckon.

Think we will end up with Weller and go a bigger bodied mid with 33.

 

[Baloo]

I just can't believe what I'm hearing.

What are you hearing and from whom ? As far as I can see the club hasn't said diddly squat nor has any commentator indicated their thoughts of RFC's pick being anything more than a guess.

 

[Stylo]

For the Ellis haters here's a nicer looking highlight package, compiled from one game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akuifTPqtSY

I can see why the club likes him, he's silky in traffic.

 

[bullus_hit]

Smoke and mirrors I reckon.

Think we will end up with Weller and go a bigger bodied mid with 33.

I hope you're right but all I hear is Ellis this, Ellis that, it seems that no matter who gets mentioned as a slider we get lugged with Mr Vanilla.

Imagine if it goes like this -

1. Petracca
2. Brayshaw
3. McCartin
4. Pickett
5. Langford
6. Goddard
7. Ahern
8. Duggan
9. Moore
10. Wright
11. Cockatoo
12. Ellis (ignoring Weller, Lever, De Goey & Laverde)

That to me is of McMahon proportions, up there with Biddsicombe & JON, as short sighted as Fiora over Pavlich & Tambling over Franklin.

Just plain dumb.

What are you hearing and from whom ? As far as I can see the club hasn't said diddly squat nor has any commentator indicated their thoughts of RFC's pick being anything more than a guess.

Why have all these articles continually linked us to Ellis? I hope I'm wrong but I don't like the smell of it. If he gets an invite next week I'll be resigned to the fact we'll take him rain, hail or shine.

 

[Stylo]

That to me is of McMahon proportions, up there with Biddsicombe & JON, as short sighted as Fiora over Pavlich & Tambling over Franklin.

Just plain dumb.

Bit melodramatic there BH. At worst he'll be a solid contributer.

 

[Baloo]

Why have all these articles continually linked us to Ellis? I hope I'm wrong but I don't like the smell of it. If he gets an invite next week I'll be resigned to the fact we'll take him rain, hail or shine.

When there is no new information people regurgitate what's already been said.

Wasn't it you that through a tantie last year as you were convinced we were going to take Matt Thomas with a 3rd round pick ? As this time of year there just isn't enough concrete information to get upset about anything. This year it seems even more blurred and hard to read than other years.

For mine I am not too fussed about what's said now and I'll only invest on Wednesday lunch time when the RFC "hide" their "welcome to Richmond" bio of our #1 recruit somewhere on the website

 

[bullus_hit]

Bit melodramatic there BH. At worst he'll be a solid contributer.

A solid contributor, is that all we can muster? If we don't take Ellis watch him slide all the way out of the top 20, did I mention he's also one of the slowest mids in the top 30? People talk about Neal-Bullen being slow, well Ellis is slower.

Out of interest, how many times do you recall him ever taking a bounce?

When there is no new information people regurgitate what's already been said.

Wasn't it you that through a tantie last year as you were convinced we were going to take Matt Thomas with a 3rd round pick ? As this time of year there just isn't enough concrete information to get upset about anything. This year it seems even more blurred and hard to read than other years.

For mine I am not too fussed about what's said now and I'll only invest on Wednesday lunch time when the RFC "hide" their "welcome to Richmond" bio of our #1 recruit somewhere on the website

Well I hope you're right, and no I didn't throw a tantie over a third rounder, I mentioned he wasn't worth a 2 year contract on the main list. I think I've been vindicated on that count.

 

[btoz_01]

For the Ellis haters here's a nicer looking highlight package, compiled from one game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akuifTPqtSY

I can see why the club likes him, he's silky in traffic.

Very underwhelming "highlight" package
Doesnt take the game on or run on to link up play just goes for kick or handball. Also If his disposal efficiency is around the 50% mark hes no first rounder
Pass would rather Cockatoo or Weller

 

[Baloo]

I mentioned he wasn't worth a 2 year contract on the main list. I think I've been vindicated on that count.

OK, a tantie over a 2 year senior list contract. It seems it was never on the table so really the tantie was for no good reason.

All I'm saying is that this year more than most, getting emotionally invested in who you think we're going to pick is really just a form of self-flagellation.

 

[Stylo]

A solid contributor, is that all we can muster? If we don't take Ellis watch him slide all the way out of the top 20, did I mention he's also one of the slowest mids in the top 30? People talk about Neal-Bullen being slow, well Ellis is slower.

Out of interest, how many times do you recall him ever taking a bounce?

I said 'at worst'... I think he has the scope to become Simon Black-esque. He's got that quality of time in traffic for mine. Could become a very good player or at worst a solid contributer. Don't see any bust qualities in him.

As for bounces, I've seen it happen, in fact he takes at least 2 in that highlights package I just posted (one of which he nearly stuffed up haha). Besides, who cares whether he's bouncing the ball or not? The most outstanding quality I see in Ellis is quick and correct decision making both in traffic and space. Because of that he doesn't hang on the ball very long, rather he'll hit a target quickly. That's a much better way to move the ball.

 

[bullus_hit]

OK, a tantie over a 2 year senior list contract. It seems it was never on the table so really the tantie was for no good reason.

All I'm saying is that this year more than most, getting emotionally invested in who you think we're going to pick is really just a form of self-flagellation.

You're probably right, I'm just getting worked up over some media throwaways, however if he's invited to the draft I think I'll need to take some deep breaths.

I said 'at worst'... I think he has the scope to become Simon Black-esque. He's got that quality of time in traffic for mine. Could become a very good player or at worst a solid contributer. Don't see any bust qualities in him.

As for bounces, I've seen it happen, in fact he takes at least 2 in that highlights package I just posted (one of which he nearly stuffed up haha). Besides, who cares whether he's bouncing the ball or not? The most outstanding quality I see in Ellis is quick and correct decision making both in traffic and space. Because of that he doesn't hang on the ball very long, rather he'll hit a target quickly. That's a much better way to move the ball.

Don't think he's anywhere near Simon Black's level. Just out of interest, does it bother you that we would be passing over guys like Laverde, Lever, De Goey and Weller?

 

[TigerFlag2017]

I have enjoyed the draft video series on RFC. I did note today on the Conca video the efforts of the club to hide their interest until 2-3 days before the draft, and then funnily enough we all knew that we were taking Conca. It was a similar story form the Martin video when they played golf up in Bendigo with Dustin days before the draft once it was known who Melbourne were taking.

It could easily be that Ellis is just the deliberate diversion from the club, who clearly don't declare their hand until so close to draft day.

 

[St Kevin]

Don't think he's anywhere near Simon Black's level. Just out of interest, does it bother you that we would be passing over guys like Laverde, Lever, De Goey and Weller?

Two of those four will be gone. West Coast will nab one as will GC. I'd hazard we'd be picking between Lever and Weller out of that aforementioned group.

Interesting how Ahern has somehow become back in vogue for GWS, after looking like dropping into the teens.

 

[Stylo]

Don't think he's anywhere near Simon Black's level. Just out of interest, does it bother you that we would be passing over guys like Laverde, Lever, De Goey and Weller?

Of course he's not at that level yet, but I see the potential there.

And yes, I'd prefer any one of them, and Cockatoo, Wright or Duggan. But RFC taking Ellis wouldn't send me postal.