Pick 12 discussion.

[Scoop]

quote author=bullus_hit link=topic=48882.msg1791828#msg1791828 date=1416046338]
Webb's scope is much higher, and yes I would take him ahead of Lonie, although my instincts tell me it will only be Lonie available at 52. If we want him then it has to be 33, that means we would have to weigh up missing out on a true inside mid like Gore or Miller, I'm favouring the inside mid at this stage.
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I think Webb can be better long term then most available at 33. Gore & Miller are my hopes at 33. If they are gone and it's Bampton or Two Dads NB. I take Webb. If we get Weller and Webb we have added real polish. I wouldn't be unhappy with that.

 

[Gus]

Just on Webb he has moved his 3km from 11min20sec to 10.50 & improved his beep from 13.1 to 14.8. And a 8.38 agility.

At 186cm, I would be finding a way to get this lad on the list. I'm a huge wrap for him. Class. Time. Outstanding by foot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWZ5n-cI32M

I'm with you on Webb. I can't believe how many phantom drafts have in out of the picture. He has improved so much this season and there is no reason to think he hasn't got a few more levels to achieve.

 

[bullus_hit]

quote author=bullus_hit link=topic=48882.msg1791828#msg1791828 date=1416046338]
Webb's scope is much higher, and yes I would take him ahead of Lonie, although my instincts tell me it will only be Lonie available at 52. If we want him then it has to be 33, that means we would have to weigh up missing out on a true inside mid like Gore or Miller, I'm favouring the inside mid at this stage.


I think Webb can be better long term then most available at 33. Gore & Miller are my hopes at 33. If they are gone and it's Bampton or Two Dads NB. I take Webb. If we get Weller and Webb we have added real polish. I wouldn't be unhappy with that.

The way I see things panning out is Miller will go in the top 30, a couple of clubs rate him very highly, one being Hawthorn. Neal-Bullen goes to St Kilda with 21 or 22 and Bampton goes very late due to the shoulder reconstruction, I think we can roll the dice on him being around by our third. That leaves Gore & Webb to pick from, if Gore is off the board then I can see the merit.

 

[Scoop]

I'm with you on Webb. I can't believe how many phantom drafts have in out of the picture. He has improved so much this season and there is no reason to think he hasn't got a few more levels to achieve.

I've been a fan but the improvement in his running because of the extra work he's been doing with Tommy Couch coupled with the fact that most of his footy has been at Caulfield Grammar suggest to me he can get a lot better in a AFL environment. And I already like the skill set on offer.

That goal he kicked in the Champs with the side step in traffic and the finish from 40 was the thing that sold me. All class.

 

[Mr Magic]

Ellis is a replica of Cunnington and Greenwood. No thanks

 

[Stylo]

Ellis is a replica of Cunnington and Greenwood. No thanks

Odd comparisons. He's not a pure inside mid like those guys. More a Dom Tyson type

 

[Jonesracing82]

Ellis is a replica of Cunnington and Greenwood. No thanks

i reckon Ellis is our Zak Jones of last years Draft where we'd pick him if the other options we preferred are gone....

 

[Leysy Days]

Recruiters seem to put a big emphasis on character, perhaps he doesn't add too much in this regard. They think this quality is important for standing up when the chips are down, perhaps Garlett might be a wee bit of a downhill skiier.

Zero issue here Gia.

You don't get up at 5.30am every morning as a 17/18 y.o to run 6km's with your grandfather if your attitude is an issue.

Nor do you run a 15.2 beep (6th overall) by not driving through the pain barrier.

He's not someone FJ goes for, but expect him to be lighting up big games in Sept if drafted by the right team with everyone questioning how he got drafted where he did.

 

[bullus_hit]

He's not someone FJ goes for, but expect him to be lighting up big games in Sept if drafted by the right team with everyone questioning how he got drafted where he did.

This is key, moving interstate would be good for Garlett.

 

[Stylo]

Tacking together bits and pieces from the media, at this stage I reckon it'll end up:

1. Petracca
2. Brayshaw
3. McCartin
4. Pickett
5. Laverde
6. De Goey
7. Goddard
8. Duggan
9. Moore
10. Lever
11. Weller/Cockatoo
12. Wright/Weller/Cockatoo/Ellis

I think/hope we'd take Wright in this case.

 

[St Kevin]

Tacking together bits and pieces from the media, at this stage I reckon it'll end up:

1. Petracca
2. Brayshaw
3. McCartin
4. Pickett
5. Laverde
6. De Goey
7. Goddard
8. Duggan
9. Moore
10. Lever
11. Weller/Cockatoo
12. Wright/Weller/Cockatoo/Ellis

I think/hope we'd take Wright in this case.

Laverde at 4 before Pickett, which will mean that Pies take De Goey at 5. Then they get Pickett and Goddard at 6 and 7. Good mix for GWS.

 

[Stylo]

Laverde at 4 before Pickett, which will mean that Pies take De Goey at 5. Then they get Pickett and Goddard at 6 and 7. Good mix for GWS.

Rumours they want Pickett at 4, otherwise the Pies will take him (ahead of De Goey).

 

[St Kevin]

Rumours they want Pickett at 4, otherwise the Pies will take him (ahead of De Goey).

Gee that'll be an interesting game of cat and mouse, a la 2004 with Roughy and Bling.

 

[tigerlove]

He's a tantalising prospect, the upside is huge but there would be an element of blind faith. FJ rarely takes these types of gambles and I can't see him doing it on this occasion. It really comes down to 1 match and outstanding combine numbers. If we had a second pick in the top 20 I'd say go for it, I just feel like we have to make every pick count at this stage.

Bullus your opinion on Nakia seems to have change since this post around 3 or 4 weeks ago. Can I ask why you now think we will pick him if available?

 

[bullus_hit]

Bullus your opinion on Nakia seems to have change since this post around 3 or 4 weeks ago. Can I ask why you now think we will pick him if available?

Duggan was always our target, if GC take him then the field bursts wide open. West Coast may pick Weller to satisfy their need for pace, that leaves Ellis vs Cockatoo, possibly even Wright but I think he goes to Geelong. If we had to choose between the two there is no contest in my eyes, Cockatoo brings so much more to the table, Ellis is a good footballer but he's a late teens pick.

 

[nikolasmia]

Duggan was always our target, if GC take him then the field bursts wide open. West Coast may pick Weller to satisfy their need for pace, that leaves Ellis vs Cockatoo, possibly even Wright but I think he goes to Geelong. If we had to choose between the two there is no contest in my eyes, Cockatoo brings so much more to the table, Ellis is a good footballer but he's a late teens pick.

Bully the knocks on him are his kicking.

It is considered poor. Clearly you don't agree, how much have you seen him play?

 

[bullus_hit]

Bully the knocks on him are his kicking.

It is considered poor. Clearly you don't agree, how much have you seen him play?

I'm not sure who is judging him to be a poor kick but I see things differently. Technically his kicking is sound, he can kick at top pace which is one of the hardest skills in football, he gets good depth off both feet and isn't afraid to use his non-preferred. His short kicks are generally good and he has a fluid action when going from hand to foot.

The biggest complaint I've heard is that his DE was too low last year however given that 64% of his possessions were contested, 60% effectiveness isn't too shabby. He was also playing with a stress fracture so I think one needs to cut him some slack. On the evidence of one match I'm giving him a tick, I'm also duly acknowledging his 29/30 on the kicking test as evidence he can hit a target when the pace is slowed down.

If there is any doubt in this area then somebody at the club should head north and see for themselves, if they come back with a dire prognosis then so be it, at least we've left no stone unturned. From my understanding North really rate him and they have seen him in a simulated match setting, circumstantial as it may be I'm convinced.

 

[turk-d-tiger]

My Gut Feeling is that we rate the following players in order out of who will be available at our selection

Wright
Duggan
Weller
Durdin
De Goey
And Cockatoo

 

[FistFullOfDollars]

I'm not sure who is judging him to be a poor kick but I see things differently. Technically his kicking is sound, he can kick at top pace which is one of the hardest skills in football, he gets good depth off both feet and isn't afraid to use his non-preferred. His short kicks are generally good and he has a fluid action when going from hand to foot.

The biggest complaint I've heard is that his DE was too low last year however given that 64% of his possessions were contested, 60% effectiveness isn't too shabby. He was also playing with a stress fracture so I think one needs to cut him some slack. On the evidence of one match I'm giving him a tick, I'm also duly acknowledging his 29/30 on the kicking test as evidence he can hit a target when the pace is slowed down.

If there is any doubt in this area then somebody at the club should head north and see for themselves, if they come back with a dire prognosis then so be it, at least we've left no stone unturned. From my understanding North really rate him and they have seen him in a simulated match setting, circumstantial as it may be I'm convinced.

Gary Rohan won the kicking test in its first year so it's hardly proof that a player is a reliable kick because Rohan is far from it.
Why is slack given to Cockatoo but not Ellis who also suffered from a stress fracture in his foot this year? In many ways Cockatoo has benefited from only playing one game this year.

 

[Scoop]

Gary Rohan won the kicking test in its first year so it's hardly proof that a player is a reliable kick because Rohan is far from it.
Why is slack given to Cockatoo but not Ellis who also suffered from a stress fracture in his foot this year? In many ways Cockatoo has benefited from only playing one game this year.

The one game theory is a great point. The combine kicking test isn't worth much.