Pick 12 discussion.

[Smoking Aces]

I suspect both Weller & Wright have expressed a desire to stay in Victoria, it would seem to be the reason we are having this discussion. Collingwood are unlikely to grab Wright given they have Moore, Witts, Grundy & Cloke, they have also been linked to De Goey & Laverde. Geelong may take him but then again, they need a KP back & some speed, West Coast seem locked onto Pickett or Cockatoo and probably prefer a guy who won't get homesick. All this leads me to believe we'll have a shot at either Wright or Weller, a perfect scenario given our list status.

He's not a bad option but does he represent something we really need? His agility & speed is inferior to Weller, everything else is about on par, aside from Duggan's superior defensive pressure. At the moment we are crying out for a bit of dash and class, I think Weller has that in spades. I won't be crying a river over recruiting Duggan but I will be left wondering where & when we'll be getting another speedster.

The defensive side of his game is a key to when I said he is a more rounded player. For all of Wellers flair and speed does he posses this? This is something that cannot be underestimated in today's game.

 

[pumped]

Weller, Duggan etc., who will be the most durable ?

 

[bullus_hit]

The defensive side of his game is a key to when I said he is a more rounded player. For all of Wellers flair and speed does he posses this? This is something that cannot be underestimated in today's game.

They both averaged 4 tackles a match at the carnival, although to be fair Duggan had to contend with much better opposition. Against Collingwood reserves Weller put in a top performance all-round, to go with his 3 tackles, he also burnt off the opposition and delivered with precision. For an extra tackle or two I'd much rather grab the guy who can break the lines, I just can't see that with Duggan. Weller really addresses something we're crying out for, I also doubt we'll get another opportunity to grab a similar player down the order.

 

[Chimptastic]

To be hypercritical... how normal is it for players to throw up before games due to nerves and then under perform? Or to run constantly to block out thoughts, have the very lowest skin folds, enjoy modelling, etc... is Weller an anxious type and if so is it within normal levels for an elite athlete?

Just read his 2nd article on AFL website and it reminded me of Mitch Morton and even Cleve Hughes with the modelling, but I suppose that type of behaviour is quite common?

Also cares too much what people think of him. Can't tell a teammate to go harder, or get in the right spot, cos he wants to be liked. Is Duggan a safer type of character for finals? (I don't have enough info to know!). Again, hypercritical, but it's new information and we don't know much about these guys off-field.

This is why I won't be critical of the recruiters' choice at Pick 12, no matter who they pick.

 

[bullus_hit]

To be hypercritical... how normal is it for players to throw up before games due to nerves and then under perform? Or to run constantly to block out thoughts, have the very lowest skin folds, enjoy modelling, etc... is Weller an anxious type and if so is it within normal levels for an elite athlete?

Just read his 2nd article on AFL website and it reminded me of Mitch Morton, but I suppose that type of behaviour is quite common?

Weller has risen to every challenge thrown at him, he was averaging 17 possessions as an underager, he then followed that up with an 18 possession average, all done with a super high disposal average. He starred playing for the Allies on grand final day with 2 running goals, he was in the top 3 players against Collingwood reserves, he doesn't strike me a s a guy who gets stage fright.

 

[Chimptastic]

Weller has risen to every challenge thrown at him, he was averaging 17 possessions as an underager, he then followed that up with an 18 possession average, all done with a super high disposal average. He starred playing for the Allies on grand final day with 2 running goals, he was in the top 3 players against Collingwood reserves, he doesn't strike me a s a guy who gets stage fright.

That settles that then ;D

Sounds like Duggan is our likely pick:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/pick-me-liam-duggan-matured-quickly-after-teammates-death-set-to-be-firstround-draft-pick/story-fnau1fjg-1227119874846

 

[bullus_hit]

That settles that then ;D

Sounds like Duggan is our likely pick:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/pick-me-liam-duggan-matured-quickly-after-teammates-death-set-to-be-firstround-draft-pick/story-fnau1fjg-1227119874846

Duggan over Weller is vintage FJ I must admit, he hasn't recruited a quick player for 5 years & that trend looks set to continue.

 

[Harry]

Thanks Bull for your views. I agree we definitely need pace in our side.

 

[turk-d-tiger]

Does anybody have or know how to find the combine results for Wright, I mean all his combine results like
Verticle leap
Running leap
Speed 20mts & Repeat
agility
arm span
Kicking


Would love to see a comparison to both Nic Nat & kruezer

 

[bullus_hit]

Does anybody have or know how to find the combine results for Wright, I mean all his combine results like
Verticle leap
Running leap
Speed 20mts & Repeat
agility
arm span
Kicking


Would love to see a comparison to both Nic Nat & kruezer

He ran a 3sec flat 20 metres & a 14.5 beep, ironically this would be faster than FJ's last 5 picks, the closest being Ellis who ran a 3.04.

 

[turk-d-tiger]

He ran a 3sec flat 20 metres & a 14.5 beep, ironically this would be faster than FJ's last 5 picks, the closest being Ellis who ran a 3.04.

Well there is no chance we will take him then , Too athletic

 

[bullus_hit]

Well there is no chance we will take him then , Too athletic

Even first rounders aside, I'm racking my brain to think of one footballer he's drafted in the past 5 years that's genuinely quick. Edwards has been the only one I can recall who can run a sub 3secs, that's pretty damning in my opinion, particularly given Hawthorn & Port have been going hammer & tongs. If we pick Duggan then kiss it goodbye for another year, we'll be reaching for another Banfield.

 

[turk-d-tiger]

Even first rounders aside, I'm racking my brain to think of one footballer he's drafted in the past 5 years that's genuinely quick. Edwards has been the only one I can recall who can run a sub 3secs, that's pretty damning in my opinion, particularly given Hawthorn & Port have been going hammer & tongs. If we pick Duggan then kiss it goodbye for another year, we'll be reaching for another Banfield.

thats the only thing that makes me a little concerned about Duggan and thats his pace, Im not sure if you can actually improve your speed much after 18

I do like Duggan as a footballer and also like the fact that he is bottom age and 184 78 kgs, He will probably end up around 186/7 cm and 85/86kgs and good kicking skills

But what do we do about pace , Its all same same. Duggan looks like a direct replacement for Newman if we select him





I still want Cockatoo

 

[Tigers of Old]

Duggan over Weller is vintage FJ I must admit, he hasn't recruited a quick player for 5 years & that trend looks set to continue.

Good work Bully. Outside pace is the key ingredient we're missing. That's what lends me to Weller over Duggan too.

 

[Scoop]

He ran a 3sec flat 20 metres & a 14.5 beep, ironically this would be faster than FJ's last 5 picks, the closest being Ellis who ran a 3.04.

For a 203cm, 100kg key position player they are incredible results.

 

[Stylo]

thats the only thing that makes me a little concerned about Duggan and thats his pace, Im not sure if you can actually improve your speed much after 18

I do like Duggan as a footballer and also like the fact that he is bottom age and 184 78 kgs, He will probably end up around 186/7 cm and 85/86kgs and good kicking skills

But what do we do about pace , Its all same same. Duggan looks like a direct replacement for Newman if we select him

I'd like to know what his repeat sprint times were. That's a better indication of pace for mine.

 

[Sintiger]

Even first rounders aside, I'm racking my brain to think of one footballer he's drafted in the past 5 years that's genuinely quick. Edwards has been the only one I can recall who can run a sub 3secs, that's pretty damning in my opinion, particularly given Hawthorn & Port have been going hammer & tongs. If we pick Duggan then kiss it goodbye for another year, we'll be reaching for another Banfield.

We do have other picks than pick 12 to get pace

My total knowledge of the juniors is from this thread ( not sure if that is good or not ;D) . My view on pace is that you need one or two with genuine leg speed but the real key is a group of players who gut run to receive and move the footy. That's where the real speed of ball movement comes from a team like the power. The type of player required is one with good enough pace but a big tank to consistently be part of the chain of ball movement.

Does Duggan fit that mould ?

 

[Barnzy]

He ran a 3sec flat 20 metres & a 14.5 beep, ironically this would be faster than FJ's last 5 picks, the closest being Ellis who ran a 3.04.

Really? :hihi

Wow. FJ loves a plodder.

 

[Tigertool]

He ran a 3sec flat 20 metres & a 14.5 beep, ironically this would be faster than FJ's last 5 picks, the closest being Ellis who ran a 3.04.

That's quite scary.

 

[pervian]

Seems like pace is the new trend ,Hawks won the premiership do they have pace this is a Port thing to me what beats speed ??