Pick 12 discussion.

[turk-d-tiger]

Just goes to show that apart from 6-7 players being in the top 10 mainly first 6 the next 10-15 players are very even and it would of been a fantastic draft to have 3 selections in the top 30-35

I really cant see Weller,Wright slipping that low but i was always iffy about Durdin

 

[bullus_hit]

Just goes to show that apart from 6-7 players being in the top 10 mainly first 6 the next 10-15 players are very even and it would of been a fantastic draft to have 3 selections in the top 30-35

I really cant see Weller,Wright slipping that low but i was always iffy about Durdin

Doggies are in a super position with 5 picks in the top 50, it just makes their Boyd trade all the more sweeter.

 

[Smoking Aces]

Does Wright have that aggressive nature in him? Does he embrace body contact? My only fear and a reason why he is sliding is due to not having those traits in him.

 

[bullus_hit]

Does Wright have that aggressive nature in him? Does he embrace body contact? My only fear and a reason why he is sliding is due to not having those traits in him.

He doesn't usually rely on out muscling, he plays a very similar game to Vickery, he's sliding because all his best performances were against weak opponents. He did however still earn AA honours and he's such a lovely kick, at worst he becomes a solid number 1 ruck, at best he becomes a Peter Everitt type who will be a nightmare match-up. He's ready to go next season too, there will be no 3-4 years of development.

 

[Stylo]

He doesn't usually rely on out muscling, he plays a very similar game to Vickery, he's sliding because all his best performances were against weak opponents. He did however still earn AA honours and he's such a lovely kick, at worst he becomes a solid number 1 ruck, at best he becomes a Peter Everitt type who will be a nightmare match-up. He's ready to go next season too, there will be no 3-4 years of development.

How do you see him fitting into our structure long term BH? Would you advocate trading one of Vick/Griff/McBean next year if we got Wright?

 

[Gus]

Doggies are in a super position with 5 picks in the top 50, it just makes their Boyd trade all the more sweeter.

You would think so but from my calculation they haven't cut enough players and may have to use pick 46 for a rookie upgrade. That wouldn't be smart.

 

[gehring]

After watching the WA vs Vic Country match a few times it was Hardisty who drove them to victory with a never give in determination. I see that ability to impose yourself on a game like Hodge and Selwood though he will never reach their heights he would be a seriously good rookie both on ability and attitude. As stated in the commentary he carried their onball division in the U18's. He averages 25+ disposals as a tough inside mid in the junior WAFL and runs all day. Is a long kick with footy smarts. Would like to know his State combine results particularly 20m. Type of player we need in VFL and as back up for seniors. Any thoughts/support?

 

[TigerMasochist]

You would think so but from my calculation they haven't cut enough players and may have to use pick 46 for a rookie upgrade. That wouldn't be smart.

Geez, they've had a fairly large clean out of their list. Even with getting a couple of players in you would think they'd have room to attack the draft seeing they worked so hard to get five picks inside fifty.
Seems kind of strange at a glance that Wet Coke n Freo have barely touched their lists compared to the rest of the clubs this year, only five or six players off compared to nine or ten at most and up to a dozen at some clubs.

 

[Stylo]

After watching the WA vs Vic Country match a few times it was Hardisty who drove them to victory with a never give in determination. I see that ability to impose yourself on a game like Hodge and Selwood though he will never reach their heights he would be a seriously good rookie both on ability and attitude. As stated in the commentary he carried their onball division in the U18's. He averages 25+ disposals as a tough inside mid in the junior WAFL and runs all day. Is a long kick with footy smarts. Would like to know his State combine results particularly 20m. Type of player we need in VFL and as back up for seniors. Any thoughts/support?

I like Hardisty but I think we've got a better version on our list already in McDonough.

 

[bullus_hit]

How do you see him fitting into our structure long term BH? Would you advocate trading one of Vick/Griff/McBean next year if we got Wright?

I see him taking over from Vickery or Griffiths in the short term, then I can see him being our number 1 ruck. It will mean that one of our talls will need to be cut but I've always said that when it comes to talls, it's better to be a seller as opposed to a buyer. Prior to the carnival Wright was touted as a possible number 1, his fall from grace isn't entirely logical to me. There's plenty of development left in him and I think he's more advanced than Joe Daniher at the equivalent age, he's certainly a better kick and his ruckwork is much more accomplished. It could also be the case that he's expressed a desire to stay in Victoria, meaning it will come down to Geelong or Richmond. Collingwood already have Moore so they will go small, Geelong may bite however, it just comes down to priorities, if they want speed they may select Pickett or Ahern.

You would think so but from my calculation they haven't cut enough players and may have to use pick 46 for a rookie upgrade. That wouldn't be smart.

They cut Tutt, so maybe they have another player in mind who's in line for the chop. It would be crazy to not use all their picks, they could have at least used that pick to work their way up the order.

 

[Scoop]

Doggies are in a super position with 5 picks in the top 50, it just makes their Boyd trade all the more sweeter.

Yep, I really like what they have done interns of draft positioning. The removal of the coach was the wrong move but the list management side is coming along. I'm all for what they did getting Boyd. Top key forwards go early. Boyd would go number one in this draft. And they can really attack this draft for more mids and more pace. There will be some tough times in the short term but in three to four years, this list looks primed. It's a plum coaching job and I am really interested to see who gets the nod.

 

[tigerlove]

If available at 33 then by all means, at 12 it's a reach. We need players with adequate inside games and that's where Garlett is lacking.

Oh well can't see him being there at #33. Would be surprised if he isn't taken Round 1. He looks freakish. Amazing foot skills on both sides.

 

[tigerlove]

. It's a plum coaching job and I am really interested to see who gets the nod.

Thought for a moment there you were going to apply for the job.

 

[Scoop]

I see him taking over from Vickery or Griffiths in the short term, then I can see him being our number 1 ruck. It will mean that one of our talls will need to be cut but I've always said that when it comes to talls, it's better to be a seller as opposed to a buyer. Prior to the carnival Wright was touted as a possible number 1, his fall from grace isn't entirely logical to me. There's plenty of development left in him and I think he's more advanced than Joe Daniher at the equivalent age, he's certainly a better kick and his ruckwork is much more accomplished. It could also be the case that he's expressed a desire to stay in Victoria, meaning it will come down to Geelong or Richmond. Collingwood already have Moore so they will go small, Geelong may bite however, it just comes down to priorities, if they want speed they may select Pickett or Ahern.

Agree. We have promising talls but they all have major question marks. Getting Wright would put us in a very enviable position come trade time next year. Stockpiling quality talls is a sure fire way to add draft picks in future drafts. Not only would we be doing that but we would be taking the best possible player at our pick. In the first round you must do that. I think Geelong make that pick, they are really hard up for someone to take the mantle from Tom Hawkins or for their next ruckman. Structurally getting Wright is a great move for Geelong.

 

[tigerlove]

Reckon Wright will be gone before our pick.

 

[turk-d-tiger]

Agree. We have promising talls but they all have major question marks. Getting Wright would put us in a very enviable position come trade time next year. Stockpiling quality talls is a sure fire way to add draft picks in future drafts. Not only would we be doing that but we would be taking the best possible player at our pick. In the first round you must do that. I think Geelong make that pick, they are really hard up for someone to take the mantle from Tom Hawkins or for their next ruckman. Structurally getting Wright is a great move for Geelong.

I think that Geelong have backed themselfs into a corner really with the number of talls on their list and with the players that have left (or been delisted) they will be crying out for some speedy mids. Specially when you look at the age of some of their midfielders they will really be looking for midfielders i would suggest

 

[Gus]

They cut Tutt, so maybe they have another player in mind who's in line for the chop. It would be crazy to not use all their picks, they could have at least used that pick to work their way up the order.

They got it in the last 5 minutes as part of the Jones trade but had stalled the discussions trying to talk Carlton into parting with pick 28 or putting him into the PSD. They also had a deal cooking with Sydney and gave up pick 37 for 39 and Shane Biggs which was a good deal. I guess they still have a chance to adjust their list but maybe they are content to know that Carlton can't use it.

 

[turk-d-tiger]

They got it in the last 5 minutes as part of the Jones trade but had stalled the discussions trying to talk Carlton into parting with pick 28 or putting him into the PSD. They also had a deal cooking with Sydney and gave up pick 37 for 39 and Shane Biggs which was a good deal. I guess they still have a chance to adjust their list but maybe they are content to know that Carlton can't use it.

The Doggies are doing well and i like the way they have re built their list, They paid overs for Boyd with dollars but have got a bargain with Griffin +#5 for Boyd

Im also a supporter of the Boyd deal even though its a hell of alot of cash to pay for him but he is top shelf and will become a 60-80 goal foward for 10 years and also they needed a Boyd for their marketability and membership

I also believe that they would be struggling to pay 95% of the tpp payments in 2013/14/15 and would of front ended most of their players to fit Boyds contract into their cap in the first 3 years of the deal - Hope it pays of for them


Carlton on the other hand are a shamozzle and are resmbling the reject shop Tutt,Jones,Jacksh,Whiley,*smile* - wow Jacksh is the only player thats reasonable on potential the rest will just be role players that are below what they have let go this year

 

[Willo]

The Doggies are doing well and i like the way they have re built their list, They paid overs for Boyd with dollars but have got a bargain with Griffin +#5 for Boyd

Im also a supporter of the Boyd deal even though its a hell of alot of cash to pay for him but he is top shelf and will become a 60-80 goal foward for 10 years and also they needed a Boyd for their marketability and membership

I also believe that they would be struggling to pay 95% of the tpp payments in 2013/14/15 and would of front ended most of their players to fit Boyds contract into their cap in the first 3 years of the deal - Hope it pays of for them


Carlton on the other hand are a shamozzle and are resmbling the reject shop Tutt,Jones,Jacksh,Whiley,*smile* - wow Jacksh is the only player thats reasonable on potential the rest will just be role players that are below what they have let go this year

In 2015 Boyd will be on the maximum 2nd year player wages. Base wage approx $70k and match payments of approx $3k per game. He'll have to wait another year for his big payrise.
But as you said, they can front end other players contracts. Dunno who will command the big money there next year. You'd think Griffen and Cooney would have been handsomely rewarded.

 

[crackertiger]

I think we might pull a surprise and select Touk Miller. There are so many opinions around but nobody really knows how the Richmond recruiting team rates these players. Touk early season was rated well ahead of Duggan. Until the hype started. He is a powerful mid! Isn't that exactly the type of player we are chasing? ???