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Pick 12 discussion.

We need some flash in the side. A player that will just burn off guys cos he can. Imagine Deledio waxing with Cockatoo. Not only would it look good, it would help us score more often and faster and unpredictably. That what pisses me off more than anything about the way we play. Work too hard to score. Reliance on 3-4 ways to score. Grand Final day you didn't know who would bob up next and they've still got their rock in Roughhead. And they all just know where to put it and where to go. It's SYSTEM but it's also pace and skill.

For me

12. Cockatoo
33. Gore if he's there or someone similar. If not, more pace.
 
Giardiasis said:
With pick 12 and 33 we simply pick the best available. It's great when early picks align with needs, but drafting for needs ahead of quality is asking for trouble.

Weller offers everything that Duggan offers, he's also an outstanding kick. Both are AIS lads, both have leadership abilities and both have played well on the big stage. The big difference being one is quick and the other has very average pace & even worse agility. Given we're crying out for a speedy runners it makes absolutely no sense to me.
 
ToraToraTora said:
We need some flash in the side. A player that will just burn off guys cos he can. Imagine Deledio waxing with Cockatoo. Not only would it look good, it would help us score more often and faster and unpredictably. That what p!sses me off more than anything about the way we play. Work too hard to score. Reliance on 3-4 ways to score. Grand Final day you didn't know who would bob up next and they've still got their rock in Roughhead. And they all just know where to put it and where to go. It's SYSTEM but it's also pace and skill.

For me

12. Cockatoo
33. Gore if he's there or someone similar. If not, more pace.

Cocky & Dusty in tandem, now that's something I'd love to see. Anyhow, here's my updated profile.

Nakia Cockatoo (Northern Territory Thunder)
186 cm, 86kg
Midfileder

Let me start by saying Cockatoo is just about the finest athlete in this year's draft class, he is a true power athlete in every sense of the word. He recorded the 6th fastest repeat sprint in the history of the combine, to put that into some perspective, his time of 23.93 was faster than both Patrick Dangerfield & Cyril Rioli at the equivalent age. To add to that impressive achievement he also featured in the top 10 for jumping, scored 29/30 in the kicking test, ran a 13.9 beep test and an 8.51 in the agility test, all after having a lengthy lay-off . He is what I would consider the perfect athlete for a midfielders role.

So how has he drifted out of first round calculations? This could well be a case of out of sight, out of mind. Unfortunately for Nakia he sustained a stress fracture in the foot which saw him sidelined for the entire season, apart from the curtain raiser on grand final day. During the combine he duly went through his medical and passed with flying colours, fortunately for him there would be no repeat of the Trengove saga.

Examining his performance in the Allies versus AIS game, one could only look on in absolute awe as he put on one of the great performances in front of a packed MCG crowd. Not only did he outshine the more highly fancied prospects in Heeney & Weller, but he produced a highlight reel which many would fail to achieve over an entire season. Complete with a running goal, Houdini like ducking & weaving and moves straight from the Dustin Martin book of 'don't argues', he collected BOG honours and all but ensured he would be selected near the top of the draft order.

So the question is how much can we take from one match? Well, from my perspective it was enough to suggest he has the potential to be a true A-grader and a complete midfilelder much like his kindred spirit Dusty Martin. Going back to 2013, he was perhaps the most promising underager aside from his AIS team mate Lachie Weller. But like any tale with a twist, Cockatoo actually took the honours in their head to head battle in round 5 of last year, collecting BOG honours after delivering yet another complete performance. In that match he managed 17 disposals, 3 clearances, 8 tackles, 4 inside 50's and 3 rebound 50's. To cap it off he hit the scoreboard registering 1 goal 2 behinds.

Projecting into the future, Cockatoo has the makings of Mr Versatile given his athletic qualities & strong inside credentials. Over the course of his 2013 campaign he averaged 5.9 tackles which placed him 3rd overall, 8.4 contested possessions a game and even had stints in the ruck. His coaches at the Thunder have thrown him everywhere on the park which bodes well for his AFL apprenticeship, he has a willingness to learn which hasn't gone unnoticed by all including Chris Scott who mentored him whilst he trained with the Kangas.

The sky is the limit for Cockatoo, his injury has been untimely but it has presented itself as a golden goose for whoever selects him with a double digit draft pick. All things considered Cockatoo presents as a very special player who seems destined to become another footballing showstopper.
 
bullus_hit said:
Don't disagree with any of that, it's just the strategy I'm questioning. If we grab Duggan & then land one of Menadue, Garlett or McKenzie then we have met our objectives. If we grab say Drummond who is quick but a very unreliable kick, then we are jogging on the spot. My guess is that all the talented speedsters will be off the board by 33, that's my fear and that's why I feel we have to lock in pace with 12.

I'm with you on Drummond, speed + middling kick = cutting your nose to spite your face.

I have a sneaky suspicion that Weller will be there at 12, but Cockatoo won't be. Duggan vs. Weller doesn't appear to be a tough decision, but I get the sense our recruiting staff may be agonizing over that.
 
bullus_hit said:
Weller offers everything that Duggan offers, he's also an outstanding kick. Both are AIS lads, both have leadership abilities and both have played well on the big stage. The big difference being one is quick and the other has very average pace & even worse agility. Given we're crying out for a speedy runners it makes absolutely no sense to me.
Well then if we select Duggan over Weller, you should be upset that we selected a lower quality player, not upset that we picked a player with less pace.
 
Duggan reminds me too much of Fiona........I mean Fiora!

Too outside to play as a midfielder and too slow to play on wings and flanks. Langford, Weller or Cocky for me
 
Mr Magic said:
Duggan reminds me too much of Fiona........I mean Fiora!

Too outside to play as a midfielder and too slow to play on wings and flanks. Langford, Weller or Cocky for me

A myth. He's more than capable on the inside.
 
Stand by it Stylo.

He looks like in apperance and speaks like Cotchin
Runs like Fiona; and
Kicks in a very similar style to Chris Knights. Not a super smooth drop for a lefty but effective and can get distance.

The lack of pace is a main concern for me though. I still have nightmares about the way we were cut up by Port's pace in the final last year and we need to address it badly.
 
SCOOP said:
Bully how did Luaks Webb test? I reckon he has a bit of Sicily about him.

Middle of the road with the sprints but top 7% for agility. Repeat sprints times were bottom 30%. He did a 14 8 beep test. He's a good decision maker.
He is a player that clubs should look past the combine results and I can see him getting a lot better in the next two years.
 
Surely if wright is available we take him, does anyone believe that he will still be there at pick 12??? I personally think that GWS will take him with one of their 3 picks
 
Gus said:
Middle of the road with the sprints but top 7% for agility. Repeat sprints times were bottom 30%. He did a 14 8 beep test. He's a good decision maker.
He is a player that clubs should look past the combine results and I can see him getting a lot better in the next two years.

Hey Gus did Ellis test this year? If not do you have any old sprint/agility times for him?
 
Stylo said:
Hey Gus did Ellis test this year? If not do you have any old sprint/agility times for him?

At the Vic pre-season combine this year his sprint efforts would be regarded as below average but his agility test was very good.
 
Gus said:
At the Vic pre-season combine this year his sprint efforts would be regarded as below average but his agility test was very good.

Interesting. Same question for Ahern?
 
bullus_hit said:
Weller offers everything that Duggan offers, he's also an outstanding kick. Both are AIS lads, both have leadership abilities and both have played well on the big stage. The big difference being one is quick and the other has very average pace & even worse agility. Given we're crying out for a speedy runners it makes absolutely no sense to me.
Maybe Duggan mows his mother's lawn
 
Stylo said:
Interesting. Same question for Ahern?

As a comparison

Ahern 5M 1.13 10M 1.82 20M 3.02 Agility 7.92 Beep 14 6
Ellis 5M 1.18 10M 1.91 20M 3.15 Agility 8.21 Beep 14 1
 
Gus said:
As a comparison

Ahern 5M 1.13 10M 1.82 20M 3.02 Agility 7.92 Beep 14 6
Ellis 5M 1.18 10M 1.91 20M 3.15 Agility 8.21 Beep 14 1

Interesting stats, I'm still baffled by Ellis being touted as a potential top 12 pick, this just backs it up.
 
bullus_hit said:
One thing that's certain is talls like Peter Wright don't come around too often, we baulked at Grundy and that to me was a mistake, particularly given we were scrounging around for a ruckman last year and had to settled for our third preference. Peter Wright has the potential to be a major weapon, for starters he would be the tallest CHF in the league by quite some margin. At 203cm he could also be the perfect foil for Maric, at least until he builds up and assumes number one ruck duties himself.

Midway through the year he was being talked up as the number 1 pick, this was coming on the back of some monumental performances in the TAC. Against the Eastern Ranges he had 19 touches, 8 contested marks and kicked 10 goals, 1 behind. Two weeks later against NT he had 21 touches, kicked 7.5 and took 6 contested marks. The next week another 19 possessions, 7 contested marks and 7 goals.

Do I believe he can hold down CHF? I give him a 60/40 chance of succeeding, his one on one ability isn't as impressive as say McCartin but his style is also completely different. Much like Vickery he outstretches his opponents instead of out muscling them, as he gains strength he may even develop an extra string to his bow, this will make him a nightmare match-up. The beauty with Wright is he can also play in the ruck, I prefer him as a forward but then again I preferred Ottens as a forward too. Things can change pretty quickly in football and players can adapt to the circumstances.

Wright's stocks cannot dip below a top 20 pick IMO, if he struggles at CHF then he will be an able ruckman who will demand a first round pick in the event he gets traded. He would also provide some leverage if we decide to cut Vickery loose, I say it would be too good an opportunity to pass up.

Wright's kicking is elite. He would be the best kick for goal we have had since the big O (donut man Ottens). Can't see him getting to 12, however, if he does then it will be champange all round.