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Pick 12 discussion.

Col.W.Kurtz said:
What do you read into Lennon's poor testing, anything?

It's made me reassess his midfield prospects, something which I had talked up after his blistering finish to the TAC season. But as far as an AFL career is concerned, I still think he'll be fine as a HBF or HFF. His sprint time was 3.18 which was ordinary but he still managed to finish in the top half for the repeat sprints. To be honest, it was one of the most peculiar set of results I can remember, his agility was in the bottom 4% which is reserved for lumbering ruckman, but there's been no hint of that on the field. I think once he builds up his tank he'll be fine, he blitzed with the skills testing so he's still in the top 2-3 kicks in the draft, and his marking is A grade. We definitely need a talented HFF and I wouldn't be putting all my eggs in the O'Hanlon basket, so Lennon makes perfect sense. In saying that, I'd still grab the best onballer available at that pick and Lewis Taylor seems to fit the bill. Unfortunately there's been no smoke where that's concerned.
 
bullus_hit said:
No way if Lennon is on the board. Personally I think we should be grabbing a mid or utility, Jones is in the 20-30 bracket, a huge reach at 12.

People said similar about Conca. Was considered a second rounder for much of the year IIRC

If we think he's got midfield potential, which based on what I've seen he does, then I don't see why we wouldn't at least consider him. His attributes scream FJ. Goes hard, good kick, strong grab, defensively minded, great kid

Not sure we're that far into Lennon that we'd snap him up without checking out our options at least
 
Stylo said:
People said similar about Conca. Was considered a second rounder for much of the year IIRC

He was considered mid first round I thought? Freo were keen on him with pick 15 or so from memory.
 
Stylo said:
People said similar about Conca. Was considered a second rounder for much of the year IIRC

If we think he's got midfield potential, which based on what I've seen he does, then I don't see why we wouldn't at least consider him. His attributes scream FJ. Goes hard, good kick, strong grab, defensively minded, great kid

Not sure we're that far into Lennon that we'd snap him up without checking out our options at least

Don't get me wrong, I like Zak Jones and would be all over him if we kept our 2nd rounder, but we have other more pressing needs at the moment. Players such as Lennon, Scharenberg, Salem & even Louie Taylor could feasibly fill multiple roles. Jones may become a midfielder but at the moment he presents more as a Michael Hibberd type defender.
 
bullus_hit said:
It's made me reassess his midfield prospects, something which I had talked up after his blistering finish to the TAC season. But as far as an AFL career is concerned, I still think he'll be fine as a HBF or HFF. His sprint time was 3.18 which was ordinary but he still managed to finish in the top half for the repeat sprints. To be honest, it was one of the most peculiar set of results I can remember, his agility was in the bottom 4% which is reserved for lumbering ruckman, but there's been no hint of that on the field. I think once he builds up his tank he'll be fine, he blitzed with the skills testing so he's still in the top 2-3 kicks in the draft, and his marking is A grade. We definitely need a talented HFF and I wouldn't be putting all my eggs in the O'Hanlon basket, so Lennon makes perfect sense. In saying that, I'd still grab the best onballer available at that pick and Lewis Taylor seems to fit the bill. Unfortunately there's been no smoke where that's concerned.

It is a mystery how such a productive player can test like an arthritic sloth.

Good testing doesn’t make you a good player, but you can normally see field indications of how someone tests.
 
Col.W.Kurtz said:
It is a mystery how such a productive player can test like an arthritic sloth.

Good testing doesn’t make you a good player, but you can normally see field indications of how someone tests.

Most have been shocked by the results to be honest, Lennon has even cut his teeth against Collingwood's reserve side and has performed admirably. From the naked eye, he's plays quicker and his far more agile than his testing suggests. A bad day maybe? A niggle or two? I don't think we'll ever know the real story but I certainly wouldn't be crossing a line through his name.
 
bullus_hit said:
Most have been shocked by the results to be honest, Lennon has even cut his teeth against Collingwood's reserve side and has performed admirably. From the naked eye, he's plays quicker and his far more agile than his testing suggests. A bad day maybe? A niggle or two? I don't think we'll ever know the real story but I certainly wouldn't be crossing a line through his name.

Apparently it's been two years in a row now that he's tested this poorly. Bizarre really

Tigertool said:
He was considered mid first round I thought? Freo were keen on him with pick 15 or so from memory.

Yeah thereabouts, that was probably a bit later in the year though, think he was a massive bolter, not unlike Jones this year (if he goes first round)
 
Stylo said:
Apparently it's been two years in a row now that he's tested this poorly. Bizarre really

This again is strange, his output has almost doubled on his output last year. You don't notch up 37 possessions and collect 15 handball receives if you're a sloth on mogadon. I tend to think Ben had some niggles and didn't perform at his best. Another potential first rounder Blake Acres also performed well below his best, it happens from time to time.
 
Stylo said:
People said similar about Conca. Was considered a second rounder for much of the year IIRC

If we think he's got midfield potential, which based on what I've seen he does, then I don't see why we wouldn't at least consider him. His attributes scream FJ. Goes hard, good kick, strong grab, defensively minded, great kid

Not sure we're that far into Lennon that we'd snap him up without checking out our options at least

Conca was expected to go at around pick 20. He was not rated in the top bracket all year. Richmond had to notify Shifter Sheehan the day before the draft we were taking him no.6 so they could get him on a plane to the Gold Coast for the top 10 countdown!

Zac Jones or Zach Merrett both good chances to go at 12. Lennon may be the one to fall through from the top bracket and not convinced we'll take him.
 
Mr Magic said:
Zac Jones or Zach Merrett both good chances to go at 12. Lennon may be the one to fall through from the top bracket and not convinced we'll take him.

Is this your hunch or are you basing it on some inside word? I can assure you that both Collingwood & Richmond are very interested in Lennon. Merrett & Jones would be long shots at this stage.
 
Have heard we're interested in Jones but nothing on Merrett, I'd be staggered if we took him at 12
 
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/pick-me-ben-lennon-can-make-things-happen-and-has-the-pies-lions-and-tigers-keen/story-fnelctok-1226757595829

Lennon's 'Pick Me' profile. He's growing on me. Just can't understand those combine results
 
DirtyDogTiger said:
I'd hate to see diesels results - same with dunstall - plugger ; the jarmen amongst others

good point, and considering he was able to rack up 37 possessions in a TAC cup game, with 15 handball receives... I just don't get it. Doesn't add up, unless BOTH times he's been at the combine he's had a niggle or been sick
 
DirtyDogTiger said:
I'd hate to see diesels results - same with dunstall - plugger ; the jarmen amongst others

I wouldn't have been surprised to see Dunstall and Plugger test as being quite fast when they were young. They did get separation on the lead quite often early in their careers.

Diesel is famously slow, but he might have tested quite well for agility and endurance.
 
Stylo said:
good point, and considering he was able to rack up 37 possessions in a TAC cup game, with 15 handball receives... I just don't get it. Doesn't add up, unless BOTH times he's been at the combine he's had a niggle or been sick

I'm pretty much only focusing on the data this year because there's no doubt he's fitter, and even those numbers don't make a whole lot of sense. He's in the bottom 27% for the 20m sprint but in the top 43% for the repeat sprints, that tells me he can ratchet up the pace when needed.
 
have heard from a very reliable source that we are expecting to be picking from one of: Salem, Lennon & Freeman.


That is also the order of preference