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Pick 12 discussion.
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Re: Looks like Pick 10
Sorry. Trent & Dusty are pretty much like twins off the field I get them confused.
hopper said:
Sorry. Trent & Dusty are pretty much like twins off the field I get them confused.
Re: Looks like Pick 10
Heh heh.
Going off the highlights, which is a dangerous thing, I can't see what the fuss is about Freeman. Less Dangerfield, more receiver Foley. If he wins his own ball they didn't show it. I'd prefer Taylor to him too.
But then my knowledge of these kids is dangerous, little as it is.
Heh heh.
Going off the highlights, which is a dangerous thing, I can't see what the fuss is about Freeman. Less Dangerfield, more receiver Foley. If he wins his own ball they didn't show it. I'd prefer Taylor to him too.
But then my knowledge of these kids is dangerous, little as it is.
Re: Looks like Pick 10
I'm a fan, would be a massive upgrade on White role in our 22. 12 is probably too high for him though but I wouldn't be against it if we decided he was the best option.
Tigers supporter who apparently has issue getting along with teammates... He was considered top 10 at the start of the year.
lamb22 said:
I'm a fan, would be a massive upgrade on White role in our 22. 12 is probably too high for him though but I wouldn't be against it if we decided he was the best option.
Tigers supporter who apparently has issue getting along with teammates... He was considered top 10 at the start of the year.
Re: Looks like Pick 10
His mental strength is a major concern, taggers have often gotten into Hartung's head and have subsequently knocked him off his game. Towards the end of the season the coach was swinging him into defence in an Andrew Walker type role, a move which was successful in dragging him away from the constant needling. Whether this works at AFL level is up for debate, Billy is the type of guy who will cop constant attention given his excellent play-making qualities, and he isn't the type who will graft his way out of a rut through his contested ball winning ability. It may even be a case of turning him from the hunted to the hunter, bearing in mind he did a stellar job in shutting down fellow play-maker James Aish. His weight and build is also a concern, I wouldn't be rushing him to the seniors until he's put on a minimum of 5kg, having elite aerobic capacity is all good and well, but it doesn't take too many hard knocks to take the wind out of one's sails. For a player comparison, I'd be looking at Leigh Montagna as the guy I'd like to model Billy's game on.
As for the Hartung versus Taylor debate, I think you always have to go with guy who possesses the stronger inside game, and little Louie comfortably takes out those honours.
FistFullOfDollars said:
His mental strength is a major concern, taggers have often gotten into Hartung's head and have subsequently knocked him off his game. Towards the end of the season the coach was swinging him into defence in an Andrew Walker type role, a move which was successful in dragging him away from the constant needling. Whether this works at AFL level is up for debate, Billy is the type of guy who will cop constant attention given his excellent play-making qualities, and he isn't the type who will graft his way out of a rut through his contested ball winning ability. It may even be a case of turning him from the hunted to the hunter, bearing in mind he did a stellar job in shutting down fellow play-maker James Aish. His weight and build is also a concern, I wouldn't be rushing him to the seniors until he's put on a minimum of 5kg, having elite aerobic capacity is all good and well, but it doesn't take too many hard knocks to take the wind out of one's sails. For a player comparison, I'd be looking at Leigh Montagna as the guy I'd like to model Billy's game on.
As for the Hartung versus Taylor debate, I think you always have to go with guy who possesses the stronger inside game, and little Louie comfortably takes out those honours.
Re: Looks like Pick 10
Thanks for the insights fellas.
All I've seen of them is the highlight clips on AFL.
I am surprised about comments on speed because Hartung looks heaps quicker. Taylor kicks around corners and backwards a lot which indicates to me a possible inability to run past an opponent.
Hartung on the other hand is about moving the ball forward quickly at any opportunity.
Love his ability to run and support which is no surprise when you run 16.3 beep.
Be a great pick at 16 -20ish. Looks like a Sainter perhaps.
I like Tsitas a lot too but is 12 too early for him?. Is Charlie Cameron at 50 a possibility?
Thanks for the insights fellas.
All I've seen of them is the highlight clips on AFL.
I am surprised about comments on speed because Hartung looks heaps quicker. Taylor kicks around corners and backwards a lot which indicates to me a possible inability to run past an opponent.
Hartung on the other hand is about moving the ball forward quickly at any opportunity.
Love his ability to run and support which is no surprise when you run 16.3 beep.
Be a great pick at 16 -20ish. Looks like a Sainter perhaps.
I like Tsitas a lot too but is 12 too early for him?. Is Charlie Cameron at 50 a possibility?
Re: Looks like Pick 10
Both Hartung and Taylor have pace but it's Taylor's first three steps which seperate him from just about everyone in the draft class. It's for this reason he can often be seen dashing away from packs from a near stationary position, he'll often burst through the lines and take the opposition on, sidestepping or shimmying his way through traffic. Perhaps his greatest quality is his ability to hit the packs at pace and emerge with ball, it's roving at it's very best. For mine, Taylor is closer to Boomer than Hartung, his inside/outside game is much more rounded and he's more inclined to get his hands dirty.
As for Tsitas, I like him a lot, in fact he would have been my primary target if we'd kept our second rounder. Someone is sure to get a bargain.
Charlie Cameron is a chance to slide, he's 68kg so that will turn off many recruiters. On the flipside, he's a tackling machine, I think he nailed 10 tackles in one game at the carnival. All things considered I think pick 50-rookie will be his range.
lamb22 said:
Both Hartung and Taylor have pace but it's Taylor's first three steps which seperate him from just about everyone in the draft class. It's for this reason he can often be seen dashing away from packs from a near stationary position, he'll often burst through the lines and take the opposition on, sidestepping or shimmying his way through traffic. Perhaps his greatest quality is his ability to hit the packs at pace and emerge with ball, it's roving at it's very best. For mine, Taylor is closer to Boomer than Hartung, his inside/outside game is much more rounded and he's more inclined to get his hands dirty.
As for Tsitas, I like him a lot, in fact he would have been my primary target if we'd kept our second rounder. Someone is sure to get a bargain.
Charlie Cameron is a chance to slide, he's 68kg so that will turn off many recruiters. On the flipside, he's a tackling machine, I think he nailed 10 tackles in one game at the carnival. All things considered I think pick 50-rookie will be his range.
Re: Looks like Pick 10
Sounds like a reason to draft him n really make esserdope happy little druggies. Then we can offer to trade him back in a few years for premium.GEDS1 said:
Re: Looks like Pick 10
I think we are underselling the value of Lennon. He is exactly what we need as that medium forward. Its one area of the ground we still haven't filled. Chapman Mk2.
I think we are underselling the value of Lennon. He is exactly what we need as that medium forward. Its one area of the ground we still haven't filled. Chapman Mk2.
Re: Looks like Pick 10
Not sure about that Scoop. I see him being available. Salems combine results have pushed into top 10 calculations at probably the expense of Lennon.SCOOP said:
Re: Looks like Pick 10
Correct Smokey, Lennon's testing was at a level which has convinced me that he won't be a midfielder anytime soon. As a dangerous half-forward, he'll be fine, it just becomes an issue of assessing our greatest need. The highest Lennon will go is pick 10, that's still possible but Collingwood are very interested Salem too. I'm pretty sure one will be available but if it's Lennon, I'd be inclined to grab Taylor whose flexibility trumps all the other candidates.
Crouch is miles behind in the fitness stakes, I think with such a high pick we'd be better off just grabbing a guy who can already compete with the top tier midfielders. He's also as slow as treacle, 3.25 in the sprint is just about at the point where you'd be throwing in the towel. Steele Sidebottom ran a similar time but he also had a monster tank and was highly skilled on both sides of his body. I really think that Crouch will be the last midfielder picked in the top 20.
Smoking Aces said:
Correct Smokey, Lennon's testing was at a level which has convinced me that he won't be a midfielder anytime soon. As a dangerous half-forward, he'll be fine, it just becomes an issue of assessing our greatest need. The highest Lennon will go is pick 10, that's still possible but Collingwood are very interested Salem too. I'm pretty sure one will be available but if it's Lennon, I'd be inclined to grab Taylor whose flexibility trumps all the other candidates.
SCOOP said:
Crouch is miles behind in the fitness stakes, I think with such a high pick we'd be better off just grabbing a guy who can already compete with the top tier midfielders. He's also as slow as treacle, 3.25 in the sprint is just about at the point where you'd be throwing in the towel. Steele Sidebottom ran a similar time but he also had a monster tank and was highly skilled on both sides of his body. I really think that Crouch will be the last midfielder picked in the top 20.
Re: Looks like Pick 10
Fitness stakes? Absolutely irrelevant at draft time. No mid outside the top 10 can truly compete the entire first year. Should have no bearing on selection.
Averaged 37 touches over seven games at TAC level. Clearance machine and tackles hard. Brother had a fantastic first year at the Crows. If his name was Matt Selwood he'd be a top five pick. Broke his hand and has been off the radar.
Imagine when he gets a tank.
bullus_hit said:
Fitness stakes? Absolutely irrelevant at draft time. No mid outside the top 10 can truly compete the entire first year. Should have no bearing on selection.
Averaged 37 touches over seven games at TAC level. Clearance machine and tackles hard. Brother had a fantastic first year at the Crows. If his name was Matt Selwood he'd be a top five pick. Broke his hand and has been off the radar.
Imagine when he gets a tank.
Re: Looks like Pick 10
Brad is in a different class, he's got that explosive pace that can turn a game on it's head. Matt will most likely be a quality player however with his lack of athleticism I'd baulk at using pick 12 when there are other fitter and more skillful options.
SCOOP said:
Brad is in a different class, he's got that explosive pace that can turn a game on it's head. Matt will most likely be a quality player however with his lack of athleticism I'd baulk at using pick 12 when there are other fitter and more skillful options.
Re: Looks like Pick 10
If Garlett is on the board at 50 (highly unlikely) I would snap him up.
This trade period / draft period could go along way to addressing most of our needs.
I personally see that we severely lack that dangerous half forward. I think we can look at one of the available state leaguers such as Chris Cain with our last pick. That would leave our midfield with Cotchin, Martin, Deledio, Conca, Foley, Ellis, Vlastuin, Edwards, Grigg, Jackson, Cain & McDonogh. More than adequate rotations through there.bullus_hit said:
If Garlett is on the board at 50 (highly unlikely) I would snap him up.
This trade period / draft period could go along way to addressing most of our needs.
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