Palestine and Israel

[Sintiger]

If they wanted to commit genocide or ethnic cleansing they sure chose a slow and inefficient way way to do it.
Why didn’t they just carpet bomb Gaza from north to south?
Why did they send any personnel into Gaza?
They could have flattened the whole strip in a week.
Why did they bother to drop leaflet’s telling gazans where they were headed next?
Why does Israel let 1.5 million Palestinians live in Israel as Israeli citizens?
Why are there Palestinians elected to the Likud?

There are only one people in danger of being exterminated out of existence. Genocide and ethnic cleansing are only the stated and written objectives of one side. That is Israel’s enemies.
THAT IS FACT.

So according to you and those words of pronunciation, once they “ finish off” the other 2.5million Gazans, they will head to the West Bank, get rid of the other 3 millions+ Palestinians here. Do they then go to Jordan as well? Another 3 million there to get rid of.

Where‘s the next big population of Palestinians? What a furphy.
There is one group to blame for all the innocent death in Gaza. That is hamas. But the Palestinian lovers can’t bear to face the truth.
That Hamas doesn’t give a toss about its own people as long as they can hurt Israel.
Their actions have shown any person will an ounce of sense that fact.

Hamas. Free the hostages and surrender. Then Gazans suffering is at an end. Will they? No, true to form they don’t give a toss for anyone but themselves. So the suffering continues as a result of their actions once again

Willo, the problem is that you drink the Israeli bath water

Who is Hamas? You still seem to think that they are an organised group of “members” who can put up their hands and surrender. It’s laughable. There is an organisation, but as I have said many many many times the people Israel represents as Hamas are in many cases nothing more than public servants, or families of public servants. Hamas was the government. I am not making this up, it is a fact.

None of what is say is “according to me” because I didn’t say any of it. Please don’t misrepresent me.

The reason the Israelis didn’t do all that is because they know the only way they can achieve what they want is by a slow attrition. They take bits of land at a time, slowly whittling away Palestinians land in the West Bank. Instead of forcing Palestinians to leave East Jerusalem they force them to live in a ghetto for decades. They lay a siege behind a wall in Gaza waiting for an excuse to speed up what they really want which is to take all the land. The October 7 attack gave them that excuse.

The know they can’t achieve that by a genocide of 3-4 million people, better to do it slowly so the world will ignore it and let it happen backed by some good old fashioned propoganda.

And btw the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Palestine is the stated aim of the Likud party, it was posted on here a couple of days ago. The Likud party is the ruling party of Israel. The right of Israel to exist is now the policy of the PLO, the Palestinian government in the West Bank. It has been their policy since 1993.

Hamas is another issue, but all Israel is doing now is making resistance stronger in whatever way that gets expressed in the future. They are creating another generation of militants. If hamas doesn’t exist tomorrow, something else will. You can’t do what Israel has done to another race of people for so long and not expect resistance.

 

[Willo]

Good post and I appreciate that time it took.
But it didn’t answer any of my questions. You only responded to Hamas surrendering. Sort of.

You didn’t mention the return of the hostages either.
Does Hamas have leadership in Gaza?Does Hamas still have” battalions” in Gaza? I’m sure they have a list who comprises them.
Give up the hostages and those Hamas soldiers surrender.

End the innocents suffering you selfish pricks.

 

[Sintiger]

Good post and I appreciate that time it took.
But it didn’t answer any of my questions. You only responded to Hamas surrendering. Sort of.

You didn’t mention the return of the hostages either.
Does Hamas have leadership in Gaza?Does Hamas still have” battalions” in Gaza? I’m sure they have a list who comprises them.
Give up the hostages and those Hamas soldiers surrender.

End the innocents suffering you selfish pricks.

Of course they should return the hostages and according to reports they have said they will, but the condition is that Israel withdraw their troops from Gaza.
Israel have said they won’t
Stalemate. Let’s hope we get some movement.
Just one thing on Hamas. You remember when the videos of the interviews with those captured who took part in the October 7 attack? They were saying that they took part because they were promised a flat. Therein lies the issue that so many ignore. Hamas is not an army because it was impossible to form one in Gaza, there are some leaders and organisers in Gaza and there was a government and a bureaucracy. Whatever the military leadership is would co-opt people into various activities, firing rockets and the like.
Were these guys “Hamas” before October 7? Are people like them “Hamas” now? Is the old government “Hamas” ? Are the public servants working for that government “Hamas”?
Israel thinks they are, there is evidence of that in the past by the people they have jailed for consorting with terrorists when they dealt with the government.
Before October 7 (a period that you seem to want to ignore) there were lots of instances of retaliatory attacks on Hamas that were not that at all. There is a famous video I have seen from a few years ago of a rocket being launched into Israel by some ragtag group of young men and a couple of old ladies yelling at them because they know that Israel would retaliate to the spot where the rocket was fired from. Of course it would be justified as responding to terrorists but it would kill innocent people.
Don’t fall into the trap of thinking Hamas is an army or that the resistance to Israel would stop even if whatever leadership Hamas has surrenders. That is way too simplistic.
There is only one solution and that is peaceful coexistence, whatever that looks like.
Maybe Israel could stop stealing land in the West Bank whilst this is going on and killing people in the process. Stop doing it you selfish pricks.

 

[Willo]

Whatever Willo

It’s all part of a propoganda campaign to whitewash ethnic cleansing and genocide.

These were your words. Ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Now I’ll ask you again.
Im not talking about “taking bits of land” and the rest of what you wrote.
Thats not ethnic cleansing or genocide. That you and others keep spouting. Now can you answer the questions I asked?

Here it is again
If they wanted to commit genocide or ethnic cleansing they sure chose a slow and inefficient way way to do it.
Why didn’t they just carpet bomb Gaza from north to south?
Why did they send any personnel into Gaza?
They could have flattened the whole strip in a week.
Why did they bother to drop leaflet’s telling gazans where they were headed next?
Why does Israel let 1.5 million Palestinians live in Israel as Israeli citizens?
Why are there Palestinians elected to the Knesset* ? ( * amended to Knesset from Likud)

 

[MD Jazz]

These were your words. Ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Now I’ll ask you again.
Im not talking about “taking bits of land” and the rest of what you wrote.
Thats not ethnic cleansing or genocide. That you and others keep spouting. Now can you answer the questions I asked?

Here it is again
If they wanted to commit genocide or ethnic cleansing they sure chose a slow and inefficient way way to do it.
Why didn’t they just carpet bomb Gaza from north to south?
Why did they send any personnel into Gaza?
They could have flattened the whole strip in a week.
Why did they bother to drop leaflet’s telling gazans where they were headed next?
Why does Israel let 1.5 million Palestinians live in Israel as Israeli citizens?
Why are there Palestinians elected to the Knesset* ? ( * amended to Knesset from Likud)

Isn't that all a bit too overt, even for Israel?

They have definitely used "we will not stop until we destroy hamas" as great cover to drive as many Palestinians out of Gaza as they can reasonably justify. They have sped up their previous strategy of driving people out by slow stealth - take more land, place more restirctions etc etc

All they have done is create generations of future militant opposition.

 

[Sintiger]

These were your words. Ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Now I’ll ask you again.
Im not talking about “taking bits of land” and the rest of what you wrote.
Thats not ethnic cleansing or genocide. That you and others keep spouting. Now can you answer the questions I asked?

Here it is again
If they wanted to commit genocide or ethnic cleansing they sure chose a slow and inefficient way way to do it.
Why didn’t they just carpet bomb Gaza from north to south?
Why did they send any personnel into Gaza?
They could have flattened the whole strip in a week.
Why did they bother to drop leaflet’s telling gazans where they were headed next?
Why does Israel let 1.5 million Palestinians live in Israel as Israeli citizens?
Why are there Palestinians elected to the Knesset* ? ( * amended to Knesset from Likud)

Ethnic cleansing and genocide don’t have to be carpet bombing. They are doing it bit by bit.
I have already answered the question
They are doing it slowly so the world will ignore it. They have been doing it for a long time. Israel is not stupid enough to think they could get away with that level mass destruction and killing of millions of people.
If you think that Arab Israelis have the same rights in reality to the Jewish Israelis you are kidding yourself

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel


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[Willo]

Of course they should return the hostages and according to reports they have said they will, but the condition is that Israel withdraw their troops from Gaza.
Israel have said they won’t
Stalemate. Let’s hope we get some movement.
Just one thing on Hamas. You remember when the videos of the interviews with those captured who took part in the October 7 attack? They were saying that they took part because they were promised a flat. Therein lies the issue that so many ignore. Hamas is not an army because it was impossible to form one in Gaza, there are some leaders and organisers in Gaza and there was a government and a bureaucracy. Whatever the military leadership is would co-opt people into various activities, firing rockets and the like.
Were these guys “Hamas” before October 7? Are people like them “Hamas” now? Is the old government “Hamas” ? Are the public servants working for that government “Hamas”?
Israel thinks they are, there is evidence of that in the past by the people they have jailed for consorting with terrorists when they dealt with the government.
Before October 7 (a period that you seem to want to ignore) there were lots of instances of retaliatory attacks on Hamas that were not that at all. There is a famous video I have seen from a few years ago of a rocket being launched into Israel by some ragtag group of young men and a couple of old ladies yelling at them because they know that Israel would retaliate to the spot where the rocket was fired from. Of course it would be justified as responding to terrorists but it would kill innocent people.
Don’t fall into the trap of thinking Hamas is an army or that the resistance to Israel would stop even if whatever leadership Hamas has surrenders. That is way too simplistic.
There is only one solution and that is peaceful coexistence, whatever that looks like.
Maybe Israel could stop stealing land in the West Bank whilst this is going on and killing people in the process. Stop doing it you selfish pricks.

No I don’t ignore events before October 7 at all. I’ve mentioned Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza in 2005. I’ve mentioned Hamas election in 2005. I‘ve mentioned plenty but some pro PalestIndian supporters only read and pick out what suits them.

Of course Israel is not going to withdraw its troops with Hamas surrendering. An idea only dickheads would think would work or happen.
Give back the hostages and the murderous Hamas will do the same again. Rinse and repeat.

So these murderers were promised “a flat” as a reward for brutal slayings, beheadings, rapes and burning of innocent people
What a bunch of malicious scum. Life is so cheap to them.
I don’t give a fig if they were ”official” hamas or just a bunch of poor misguided fools. I hope the ones who took part in those atrocities meet the end they deserve. *smile* slowly and painfully. I hope their *smile* flat was worth it. And the fallout from their actions.

I call absolute *smile* to your claim that the Likud Party’s stated aim is the “ethnic cleansing of Palestine from Palestine”
Was it from the Likud Party’s official statement? An individual?Or written by the Muslim mouthpiece Al Jazeera? Or some lunatic like George Cameron?

I’ll wait for that answer.


Another thing you’ve mentioned . The Likud Party doesn’t “rule”. It governs..in conjunction with a coalition of 6 other parties United Torah Judaism, Shas, Religious Zionist Party, Otzma Yehudit, Noam and National Unity.

So forget all the guff about West Bank, pinching bits of land, old ladies! Hamas shopkeepers and flower sellers and kindergarten teachers.
If they are in a Hamas battalion, remember were 23 or some such number of battalions. If they are in the leadership of Hamas, if they were involved in the murders on Oct 7 if they helped organise those murders, if they took part in those murders. They are complicit.
I don’t give a *smile* if they got a box of bananas or a Cadbury s chocolate if they were involved. Hand them over.

Dont deflect and start talking about the West Bank and killings. Deal with Gaza. You made statements as did others. Which are *smile*. You’ve been asked questions which you all dodge. Then deflect. The usual *smile*.

Answer the questions about genocide and ethnic cleansing. But you lot can’t.
Just keep yelling the Palestinian propaganda slogans while they laugh at you all for being so gullible

 

[Willo]

Isn't that all a bit too overt, even for Israel?

They have definitely used "we will not stop until we destroy hamas" as great cover to drive as many Palestinians out of Gaza as they can reasonably justify. They have sped up their previous strategy of driving people out by slow stealth - take more land, place more restirctions etc etc

All they have done is create generations of future militant opposition.

Why quote my post without taking the questions?
I notice you didn’t answer any of the questions of the claims of genocide and ethnic cleansing as usual.
Just deflect

 

[AngryAnt]

Well good for you, you’re such a clever boy
You've never asked a question eh? What a wank.

Your constant sniping is getting tiresome Willo. Maybe just stick to the subject matter and the arguments instead of taking everything so personally.

JAQing off is a well-known rhetorical device, and is not just used by the Right or Zionists, although in recent years it's something the secular gurus of the Right love to do. Completely legitimate to criticise this.

If you are genuinely open to learning something new, read these.

JAQ off - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

en.wiktionary.org

Just asking questions

Just asking questions (also known as JAQing off, or as emojis: "🤔🤔🤔"[1]) is a way of attempting to make wild accusations acceptable (and hopefully not legally actionable) by framing them as questions rather than statements. It shifts the burden of proof to one's opponent; rather than laboriously...

rationalwiki.org

"Just asking questions": How healthy skepticism morphed into toxic denialism

Media provocateurs and conspiracy theorists insist that they're "just asking questions." No, they aren’t.

bigthink.com

 

[Willo]

Ethnic cleansing and genocide don’t have to be carpet bombing. They are doing it bit by bit.
I have already answered the question
They are doing it slowly so the world will ignore it. They have been doing it for a long time. Israel is not stupid enough to think they could get away with that level mass destruction and killing of millions of people.
If you think that Arab Israelis have the same rights in reality to the Jewish Israelis you are kidding yourself

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel


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No you haven’t. You’ve deflected.

Here it is again
If they wanted to commit genocide or ethnic cleansing they sure chose a slow and inefficient way way to do it.
Why didn’t they just carpet bomb Gaza from north to south?
Why did they send any personnel into Gaza?
They could have flattened the whole strip in a week.
Why did they bother to drop leaflet’s telling gazans where they were headed next?
Why does Israel let 1.5 million Palestinians live in Israel as Israeli citizens?
Why are there Palestinians elected to the Knesset*

All you mentioned was carpet bomb, which wasn’t a reply
.“Bit by bit”. So they’ll herd them to Rafah and then what? Kill them one by one? The head back to Israel and what sneakily ethnically cleanse another 1.5 million Israeli Palestinians there, then head to Jordan, Lebanon and the West Bank and those Palestinians will be victims of genocide or ethnic clenching.
So how long do you think it will take for Israel to ethnically cleanse all the Palestinians? How many years? Decades?

So Gaza isn’t a genocide “if Israel are not stupid enough to think they could get away with that level of destruction and killing of millions of people” your own words.

So now, you’re agreeing with me, that it’s not a genocide or ethnic cleansing

I never mentioned anything about equal rights. Once again, you add another furphy to the tale.
I stated Israeli Palestinians were elected members of the Knesset. Nearly 10% of that body.

 

[Sintiger]

No I don’t ignore events before October 7 at all. I’ve mentioned Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza in 2005. I’ve mentioned Hamas election in 2005. I‘ve mentioned plenty but some pro PalestIndian supporters only read and pick out what suits them.

Of course Israel is not going to withdraw its troops with Hamas surrendering. An idea only dickheads would think would work or happen.
Give back the hostages and the murderous Hamas will do the same again. Rinse and repeat.

So these murderers were promised “a flat” as a reward for brutal slayings, beheadings, rapes and burning of innocent people
What a bunch of malicious scum. Life is so cheap to them.
I don’t give a fig if they were ”official” hamas or just a bunch of poor misguided fools. I hope the ones who took part in those atrocities meet the end they deserve. *smile* slowly and painfully. I hope their *smile* flat was worth it. And the fallout from their actions.

I call absolute *smile* to your claim that the Likud Party’s stated aim is the “ethnic cleansing of Palestine from Palestine”
Was it from the Likud Party’s official statement? An individual?Or written by the Muslim mouthpiece Al Jazeera? Or some lunatic like George Cameron?

I’ll wait for that answer.


Another thing you’ve mentioned . The Likud Party doesn’t “rule”. It governs..in conjunction with a coalition of 6 other parties United Torah Judaism, Shas, Religious Zionist Party, Otzma Yehudit, Noam and National Unity.

So forget all the guff about West Bank, pinching bits of land, old ladies! Hamas shopkeepers and flower sellers and kindergarten teachers.
If they are in a Hamas battalion, remember were 23 or some such number of battalions. If they are in the leadership of Hamas, if they were involved in the murders on Oct 7 if they helped organise those murders, if they took part in those murders. They are complicit.
I don’t give a *smile* if they got a box of bananas or a Cadbury s chocolate if they were involved. Hand them over.

Dont deflect and start talking about the West Bank and killings. Deal with Gaza. You made statements as did others. Which are *smile*. You’ve been asked questions which you all dodge. Then deflect. The usual *smile*.

Answer the questions about genocide and ethnic cleansing. But you lot can’t.
Just keep yelling the Palestinian propaganda slogans while they laugh at you all for being so gullible

Willo, you deflect by telling people they deflect

The bottom line is always the same. Israel has to stop taking land, it has to stop oppression and it has to stop apartheid. None of that is deflection it is fact.

When people are oppressed they fight back and some do horrible things that can’t be defended. It comes from oppression and hopelessness. I don’t defend it like you defend the mass murder of civilians.

The way you just dismiss what happens in the West Bank is very poor. 350 people have been killed defending their homes in the last 6 months.

This is the Likud manifesto ( you didn’t have to wait long)

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party

The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)​

a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.

b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewishpopulation, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace.​

 

[Willo]

Willo, you deflect by telling people they deflect

The bottom line is always the same. Israel has to stop taking land, it has to stop oppression and it has to stop apartheid. None of that is deflection it is fact.

When people are oppressed they fight back and some do horrible things that can’t be defended. It comes from oppression and hopelessness. I don’t defend it like you defend the mass murder of civilians.

The way you just dismiss what happens in the West Bank is very poor. 350 people have been killed defending their homes in the last 6 months.

This is the Likud manifesto ( you didn’t have to wait long)

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party

The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)​

a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.

b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewishpopulation, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace.​

No I don’t, you’re changing the subject once again and throwing it back to me.
You’re just making up things I never stated. You end up telling flat out lies.

Show me where I defended the mass killing of civilians. I dare you show me. Not your version but where I’ve actually defended it.
Accept that challenge.

I don’t “just dismiss what happens in the West Bank” I’ve stated before that Israel shouldn’t be building illegal settlements in the West Bank. What you and others are doing when I ask a specific question about the Gaza “genocide” and “ethnic cleansing” that you can’t or won’t answer because it shows the *smile* and hypocrisy. You all change the geography to .. oh look over there

So where does it say in that link that the manifesto of the Likud Party is “the genocide or ethnic cleansing of all Palestinians”
Is it written in invisible ink?

 

[Sintiger]

No you haven’t. You’ve deflected.

Here it is again
If they wanted to commit genocide or ethnic cleansing they sure chose a slow and inefficient way way to do it.
Why didn’t they just carpet bomb Gaza from north to south?
Why did they send any personnel into Gaza?
They could have flattened the whole strip in a week.
Why did they bother to drop leaflet’s telling gazans where they were headed next?
Why does Israel let 1.5 million Palestinians live in Israel as Israeli citizens?
Why are there Palestinians elected to the Knesset*

All you mentioned was carpet bomb, which wasn’t a reply
.“Bit by bit”. So they’ll herd them to Rafah and then what? Kill them one by one? The head back to Israel and what sneakily ethnically cleanse another 1.5 million Israeli Palestinians there, then head to Jordan, Lebanon and the West Bank and those Palestinians will be victims of genocide or ethnic clenching.
So how long do you think it will take for Israel to ethnically cleanse all the Palestinians? How many years? Decades?

So Gaza isn’t a genocide “if Israel are not stupid enough to think they could get away with that level of destruction and killing of millions of people” your own words.

So now, you’re agreeing with me, that it’s not a genocide or ethnic cleansing

I never mentioned anything about equal rights. Once again, you add another furphy to the tale.
I stated Israeli Palestinians were elected members of the Knesset. Nearly 10% of that body.

This post is incoherent

Do you understand what genocide and ethnic cleansing are? Genocide does not have a number on it. What is happening to civilians and children in Gaza now is genocide. How many nor have to die for it to be genocide, what is the number?

Ethnic cleansing is the cleansing of a race from a nation or area. That is what is happening in the West Bank, it is what many Israeli politicians are calling for in Gaza. It is what the Naqba was.

You held Israel up as a some beacon because 10% of the Knesset are Arabs, then say you didn’t mean equal rights? Give me a break, 10% of the Knesset, 20% of population and a multitude of rights given to Jews not given to Arabs. Not all Arabs in Israel are Palestinians btw, some are Druze Christians from Lebanon.

I have been involved in calls for a Palestinian state since my student days because it is the right thing to do. Always has been, even though the tactics used to achieve it over the years haven’t always been what I would support. The cause is the right one and I don’t swallow anyone’s propoganda.

 

[Sintiger]

No I don’t, you’re changing the subject once again and throwing it back to me.
You’re just making up things I never stated. You end up telling flat out lies.

Show me where I defended the mass killing of civilians. I dare you show me. Not your version but where I’ve actually defended it.
Accept that challenge.

I don’t “just dismiss what happens in the West Bank” I’ve stated before that Israel shouldn’t be building illegal settlements in the West Bank. What you and others are doing when I ask a specific question about the Gaza “genocide” and “ethnic cleansing” that you can’t or won’t answer because it shows the *smile* and hypocrisy. You all change the geography to .. oh look over there

So where does it say in that link that the manifesto of the Likud Party is “the genocide or ethnic cleansing of all Palestinians”
Is it written in invisible ink?

I didn’t say the policy of the Likud party was genocide.

The policy of the Likud party is as I highlighted. They want the whole of Palestine under Israeli sovereignty. It is no different to Hamas saying they don’t accept Israel’s right to exist which gets highlighted all the time. The Likud party does not accept Palestine’s right to exist.

They don’t want Palestinians there and I guess in your world they would just politely ask them to have?

No, they would move them elsewhere, something that parts of the Israeli government have already said they would do. That is ethnic cleansing.

You defend what Israel is doing now which is the mass killing of civilians and you defend it by saying it is not their fault, it is Hamas’ fault because they perpetrated October 7 and they haven’t surrendered and handed back the hostages. You are therefore defending Israel’s mass killing of civilians and children. Netanyahu has already said he wants the price paid to be unbearable. That is not defending yourself , that is collective punishment.

 

[K3]

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[Willo]

This post is incoherent

Do you understand what genocide and ethnic cleansing are? Genocide does not have a number on it. What is happening to civilians and children in Gaza now is genocide. How many nor have to die for it to be genocide, what is the number?

Ethnic cleansing is the cleansing of a race from a nation or area. That is what is happening in the West Bank, it is what many Israeli politicians are calling for in Gaza. It is what the Naqba was.

You held Israel up as a some beacon because 10% of the Knesset are Arabs, then say you didn’t mean equal rights? Give me a break, 10% of the Knesset, 20% of population and a multitude of rights given to Jews not given to Arabs. Not all Arabs in Israel are Palestinians btw, some are Druze Christians from Lebanon.

I have been involved in calls for a Palestinian state since my student days because it is the right thing to do. Always has been, even though the tactics used to achieve it over the years haven’t always been what I would support. The cause is the right one and I don’t swallow anyone’s propoganda.

The post is incoherent only if you want it to be.

I do understand what genocide is.
Here
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group..
Now answer me this. Is the aim to destroy that nation…nation being Palestinians? yes or no.
It he answer is “yes”. How do they do that?
Do they wipe out the other 2 million in Gaza?
Do they go to the West Bank and kill the 2.7 million there?
Do they go to Jordan and kill the 3 million there?
Do they head back to Israel and kill the 1.5+ million there?
The Palestinians in Lebanon, Syria and elsewhere.
I do understand what ethnic cleansing is.
Here.

"Ethnic cleansing" has become the dominant term used to describe genocidal crimes without using the word, "Genocide." It has invaded the legal lexicon, statements by the United Nations, reporting in the press, policy making by governments, and even judgments by the International Court of Justice.

“Ethnic cleansing” in common usage means forced deportation. But unlike the crime against humanity of deportation or forcible transfer of population, and the crime of genocide, it is not a term that appears in the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC). It has no legal meaning in international law. There is no treaty outlawing it.

Ethnic cleansing is not even a crime. No national legal codes prohibit it. No prosecutor can charge anyone for committing it. The term is a license for impunity.

If the answer is “no”. End of argument. People use the fallacy of that meaning while falling for the Muslim propaganda lexicon
I didn’t hold up Israel as some sort of beacon. I merely stated the fact that nearly 10% of the Knesset, Israel’s arliament is comprised of Palestinian Israelis. Or Israeli Palestinians. You know the Palestinians you and others are adamant that Israel is carrying out genocide on.
Fairly simple for anyone to grasp understand that.

Obviously you don’t swallow anyone’s propaganda, you just believe in it.

 

[Willo]

Ethnic cleansing and genocide don’t have to be carpet bombing. They are doing it bit by bit.
I have already answered the question
They are doing it slowly so the world will ignore it. They have been doing it for a long time. Israel is not stupid enough to think they could get away with that level mass destruction and killing of millions of people.
If you think that Arab Israelis have the same rights in reality to the Jewish Israelis you are kidding yourself

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel

Whatever Willo

It’s all part of a propoganda campaign to whitewash ethnic cleansing and genocide.

None of what is say is “according to me” because I didn’t say any of it. Please don’t misrepresent me.

The reason the Israelis didn’t do all that is because they know the only way they can achieve what they want is by a slow attrition. They take bits of land at a time, slowly whittling away Palestinians land in the West Bank. Instead of forcing Palestinians to leave East Jerusalem they force them to live in a ghetto for decades. They lay a siege behind a wall in Gaza waiting for an excuse to speed up what they really want which is to take all the land. The October 7 attack gave them that excuse.

The know they can’t achieve that by a genocide of 3-4 million people, better to do it slowly so the world will ignore it and let it happen backed by some good old fashioned propoganda.

And btw the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Palestine is the stated aim of the Likud party, it was posted on here a couple of days ago. The Likud party is the ruling party of Israel. The right of Israel to exist is now the policy of the PLO, the Palestinian government in the West Bank. It has been their policy since 1993.

Your words Sin.
You and the other apologists have claimed often enough that it’s genocide and ethnic cleansing. And ethnic cleansing is part of the LIkud Party manifesto.The Likud Party doesn’t rule anyone. They form a coalition with 6 other parties to govern.
And I’ve always expressed my horror of what the innocent Gazan population have been suffering.
So more bull *smile* on your behalf..that you accuse me of. Typical.

You and others can’t come up with a rebuttal, so you obfuscate, delflect then tell outright lies in an endeavour to make up for any truth.

None of you can answer any question put to you about Israel‘s genocide in Gaza, WB. Israel, Lebanon, Jordan because it is patently false.
If it was genocide
Why have Palestinians lived in Israel?
Why have they lived in Gaza?
Why have they lived in the WB?
Why have they lived in Jordan?
Where is the genocide or is it all in the planning.


What a bunch of hypocritical, lefty, apologists that swallow the *smile* dished to them by the terror propaganda machine .
Keep rubbing Hamas balls, don’t criticise them or the puppet masters Iran. They sit back and laugh at how gullible their western sympathisers are.
They can commit the worst crimes against humanity. But it’s all Israels fault. Then Murdoch’s, Sky News and all the rest of the rubbish The pro Pally’s go on with.
Poor bastards

 

[Sintiger]

The post is incoherent only if you want it to be.

I do understand what genocide is.
Here
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group..
Now answer me this. Is the aim to destroy that nation…nation being Palestinians? yes or no.
It he answer is “yes”. How do they do that?
Do they wipe out the other 2 million in Gaza?
Do they go to the West Bank and kill the 2.7 million there?
Do they go to Jordan and kill the 3 million there?
Do they head back to Israel and kill the 1.5+ million there?
The Palestinians in Lebanon, Syria and elsewhere.
I do understand what ethnic cleansing is.
Here.

"Ethnic cleansing" has become the dominant term used to describe genocidal crimes without using the word, "Genocide." It has invaded the legal lexicon, statements by the United Nations, reporting in the press, policy making by governments, and even judgments by the International Court of Justice.

“Ethnic cleansing” in common usage means forced deportation. But unlike the crime against humanity of deportation or forcible transfer of population, and the crime of genocide, it is not a term that appears in the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC). It has no legal meaning in international law. There is no treaty outlawing it.

Ethnic cleansing is not even a crime. No national legal codes prohibit it. No prosecutor can charge anyone for committing it. The term is a license for impunity.

If the answer is “no”. End of argument. People use the fallacy of that meaning while falling for the Muslim propaganda lexicon
I didn’t hold up Israel as some sort of beacon. I merely stated the fact that nearly 10% of the Knesset, Israel’s arliament is comprised of Palestinian Israelis. Or Israeli Palestinians. You know the Palestinians you and others are adamant that Israel is carrying out genocide on.
Fairly simple for anyone to grasp understand that.

Obviously you don’t swallow anyone’s propaganda, you just believe in it.

Bit of a delay so you can look it all up Willo?

Lol

Nearly 10% oh Knesset is composed of Arab israelis not Palestinian Israelis. As I said some are Druze ie Christians. The Druze are mainly in Lebanon.

Of course Israel wants to destroy the nation state of Palestine. That’s blatantly obvious. Some of their senior politicians have come out and said it, the Likud party has said a state of Palestine cannot exist between the river and the sea. How they do it or if they succeed is yet to be determined.

Ethnic cleansing is not the same as genocide although it could be achieved by genocide. It’s not a crime …lol again. Is it morally defendable to you?

 

[Willo]

Bit of a delay so you can look it all up Willo?

Lol

Nearly 10% oh Knesset is composed of Arab israelis not Palestinian Israelis. As I said some are Druze ie Christians. The Druze are mainly in Lebanon.

Of course Israel wants to destroy the nation state of Palestine. That’s blatantly obvious. Some of their senior politicians have come out and said it, the Likud party has said a state of Palestine cannot exist between the river and the sea. How they do it or if they succeed is yet to be determined.

Ethnic cleansing is not the same as genocide although it could be achieved by genocide. It’s not a crime …lol again. Is it morally defendable to you?

No, helping my 80 year old neighbour who just had a bad fall.
It’s not definition of ethnic cleansing but from Genocide Watch

'Ethnic Cleansing' is a euphemism used for genocide denial

Milosevic speaking to crowd credit: Manuel Stanescu"Ethnic Cleansing" is a Euphemism Used for Genocide DenialBy Dr. Gregory H. StantonFounding PresidentGenocide Watch “Ethnic cleansing” is a term invented by Slobodan Milošević and Serbian propagandists as a euphemism for forced...

www.genocidewatch.com

I notice you couldn’t answer anything about Israel’s genocide. Why not?

 

[Sintiger]

Your words Sin.
You and the other apologists have claimed often enough that it’s genocide and ethnic cleansing. And ethnic cleansing is part of the LIkud Party manifesto.The Likud Party doesn’t rule anyone. They form a coalition with 6 other parties to govern.
And I’ve always expressed my horror of what the innocent Gazan population have been suffering.
So more bull *smile* on your behalf..that you accuse me of. Typical.

You and others can’t come up with a rebuttal, so you obfuscate, delflect then tell outright lies in an endeavour to make up for any truth.

None of you can answer any question put to you about Israel‘s genocide in Gaza, WB. Israel, Lebanon, Jordan because it is patently false.
If it was genocide
Why have Palestinians lived in Israel?
Why have they lived in Gaza?
Why have they lived in the WB?
Why have they lived in Jordan?
Where is the genocide or is it all in the planning.


What a bunch of hypocritical, lefty, apologists that swallow the *smile* dished to them by the terror propaganda machine .
Keep rubbing Hamas balls, don’t criticise them or the puppet masters Iran. They sit back and laugh at how gullible their western sympathisers are.
They can commit the worst crimes against humanity. But it’s all Israels fault. Then Murdoch’s, Sky News and all the rest of the rubbish The pro Pally’s go on with.
Poor bastards

This is what you said was according to me

So according to you and those words of pronunciation, once they “ finish off” the other 2.5million Gazans, they will head to the West Bank, get rid of the other 3 millions+ Palestinians here. Do they then go to Jordan as well? Another 3 million there to get rid of.

I didn’t say any of that. So back off Willo

You have lost it with your last paragraphs. It has nothing to do with lefty , that is just lazy *smile*. I am a humanitarian and I have not once defended what Hamas did on October 7.

Whilst we are on lazy *smile*, a few weeks ago you suggested I was anti semitic which again is totally wrong. I was thinking at the time of demanding an apology but decided to not worry about it. That’s a bit part of the Israeli propoganda, anyone who doesn’t agree with what they do is anti semitic. It is *smile*.

When you start with the lazy name calling that’s it for me.