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rosy23 said:
I was a big fan of Mats because of his outstanding sportsmanship.  He was humble in victory and gracious in defeat.    It wasn't the Davis Cup, it was individuals playing for themselves.
If you think you have to get behind people because they're Australian maybe you should cough up a few toasters. ;)

Rosy,
Pat may have been playing for himself, but he is still an Aussie up against players from other countries.
I'll back an Aussie any day over someone from another country! :clap

antman said:
Liverpool said:
Yes, I support Liverpool and don't live there.
But I won't be supporting Liverpool if they ever play against an Aussie team....unlike Rosy, who was supporting a Swede against a fellow Aussie! ;)
It's called freedom of choice.
Personally I would support almost anyone against Hewitt, for example.
This is all getting very off-topic for which I apologise.

No need for apologies Antman.
Yes, its personal choice....but I just think an Aussie in the sporting arena should be supported 100% by Aussies.
Hewitt is a bloody legend....won Wimbledon, US Opens, and been a member of a few Davis Cup winning teams....how anyone can support an opposition player (unless he's up against a fellow Aussie), is beyond me! :eek:



Back to the topic though....:

Interesting to hear that Israel are massing troops on the border with Lebanon, maybe with a ground invasion in mind.
Lebanon have said they will move forces and defend any invasion that is forthcoming.
Its a shame Lebanon didn't show some balls earlier and use its military to wipe-put Hezballoh themselves, then we may have not had this mess!!! :-\
Lebanon have let Hezbollah do what they like, and really, have brought this upon themsleves by not controlling what has been happening inside it's own borders.
 
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Yep, that's the question I ask.

If the Lebanese army can crawl out of its shell now, why couldn't it have crawled out of its shell weeks ago? :mad:

If they'd disarmed Hezbollah as little as two weeks ago, none of this mess would have started. :mad:
 
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rosy23 said:
I was a big fan of Mats because of his outstanding sportsmanship. He was humble in victory and gracious in defeat.

Don't be getting carried away with values there, Rosy. It's nationality that matters most.

Generous of you not to bag that idiot, Cash.

But I'd prefer an Australian idiot to a foreigner anyday. Is that why they say I'm Xenophobic?
 
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rosy23 said:
Liverpool said:
But I won't be supporting Liverpool if they ever play against an Aussie team....unlike Rosy, who was supporting a Swede against a fellow Aussie!  ;)

I was a big fan of Mats because of his outstanding sportsmanship.  He was humble in victory and gracious in defeat.    It wasn't the Davis Cup, it was individuals playing for themselves.

If you think you have to get behind people because they're Australian maybe you should cough up a few toasters. ;)
I know it's off topic Rosy, but did you know that Mats practiced at Cash's Rebound Ace court prior to that legendary match? Pat was passionate, but he enjoyed the contest and was friends with Wilander. You want poor sportsmanship look at Vilas' comments regarding Nadal.
 
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I know they were friends Carn. That's nothing to do with who I preferred as a person and a player out of the two. ;)
 
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One of the most intriguing peoples of the Middle East are the Druze, probably because very little is known about them, and that they wish very much to keep to themselves. They live generally in the mountains about the Israeli/Lebanese/Syrian border. One of their basic tenets is that such matters, about them, should remain secret. It is called 'asibiya', a distrust of outsiders. This has often meant that the Druze have been misunderstood. They have often been slandered, and this reflects the deep dislike which both Muslims & Christians have felt for the Druze.

The present Druze poulation is 200,000 in Syria, 70,000 in Lebanon, and 33,000 in Israel. They generally gain their subsistance from both agriculture & grainstock, although many of the young Druze in Israel are embracing new technologies.

The ethnic origins of the Druze are uncertain, but their generally fair skin indicate that they must have migrated from the north. They may have come south as slaves or refugees. As I posted in the earlier chapter, it was common place for conquered peoples to be expelled or exiled from their original lands. This may be the case with the Druze as they found a haven in the mountains of Jebel.

The origins of the Druze as a religious sect, and it has always been religion that defines their identity, dates from the beginning of the 11th century. They themselves date their conversion from 1019AD, or 410-11 of the Hejirs (Moslem calendar.) As I posted earlier it was when the quite insane & Shi'ite Fatimids ruled from Cairo, and whimsical violence was common place, as they tried to shove Shi'ism upon everyone. (Something very similar to the Shi'ites & Hezbollah now.) This upset the Sunnis and civil war broke out. Anyway, a teacher named Ishmael Darazi came upon these hill people of Lebanon and found a captive audience. Much of what he taught was a combination of the old Aramaic ideas merged with Islam, Judaism & Christianity. 'Al Hakim', I believe , is their prophet. It is from Darazi that the name Druze derives itself.

Druze belief centres on One God who is reincarnated on earth once for each Age of the World (70 times in all) and finally in the person of 'Al Hakim'. While he preached the True Doctrine, for 26 years, the door stood open for conversion, but once he disappeared, (for he did not actually die), no further conversion has been theoretically possible. 'Al Hakim' will, like the Messiah, return in due courseto earth when the Druze will triumph and their beliefs be universally accepted.

The structure of Druze society is as follows:
the 'Ajawid' are the elders & make up 2%. They are drawn from the 'Uqqal', the knowledgeable ones.
A Druze may becoma an 'Uqqal at 40yo, they make up 15%.
The other 85% are the 'Juhhal', the uninformed or Ignorant Druze, the ordinary people & those under 40yo. The 'Uqqal' live a stricter life where the men abstain from tobacco or wine, and the women abstain from jewellery.

The Druze Sabbath begins on a Thursday night, where the 'Uqqal' meet to study scripture. They do not pray to God, for that would interfere with His will. They believe in a freedom of will for each individual, who is ultimately responsible for his/her own destiny. They acknowledge both the Koran & the Bible as inspired works, but believe their own scriptures as the True guide. These are still written by hand and are guarded carefully and secretly from the eyes of the unfaithful.

The whole history of the Druze has underlined the need for this secrecy, as their beliefs set them apart. They survived because the mountains encouraged a fierce warrior spirit - without which they would have succumbed to Muslims & Christians long ago. Unfortunately in the 16th & 17th centuries these qualities led to internal factional dispute between the Yamanis & the Qais. The Yamanis lost the dispute & fled into Syria.

5 years of mis-rule by the French, post WWI, led to a revolt. The revolt was put down with extreme force, as is common in the Middle East, and the Druze were left undecided about Syrian nationalism. After WW2, following a brief period of independence, the Druze were incorporated into Syria. The wheat of the Jebel Druze is important to Damascus. Syrian law tolerates many of the Druze customs, no polygamy, no re-marriage after divorce, and the recognition that a husband must treat his wife as an equal. These customs are alien to mainstream Syrian/Muslim culture.

The Druze are a very proud and independent people. That is why they interest me so.
 
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Bill James said:
jayfox said:
WesternTiger said:
JF the world was a very different place 50 or even 20 years ago.

Even going back 15 years ago we were living in a very stable political environment. The rise of the neo conservatives in the US however changed that!

I suggest you read a book call Future Tense: Coming World Order by Gwynne Dyer

The point still stands. If the Japanese or Germans had won the war we wouldn't have the freedom we enjoy right now.
Perhaps I will look into your book. I suggest you read a book called The Bible and if you are interested in World Events, get a good commentary and read Revelation.

Jayfox would a good commentary be Pre-millenial, A-millenial, or Post-Millenial, and if the first or the last would it be Pre-tribualation, mid tribulation or post tribulation. 2 Peter 1:20

Hi there Bill Gates, my opinion on these is that the 'rapture' is definitely pre-tribulation and I believe the return of Christ to be 'pre-millenial'. Having said that it really doesn't matter as these are the finer details that only God knows the exact answers to. Revelation is a facinating Book and I believe that God deliberatly made it challenging so that we had to study it closely to find answers rather than just blatantly giving them out in detail for all to see. This way those who have faith and show a willingness to understand will find answers. You could say similar things about the rest of the Bible although I feel that the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) are easy for anyone to read.
I do find it incredible that people can't see all of this trouble in the Middle East outlined in the Bible though. So many Biblical prophecies have come true in the past 60 years it is incredible. Jesus could return at any time as the signs for his return are all here now.
 
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Syria's Assad: Is he the cause or cure?
West struggles over whether to punish or coax Hezbollah ally
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0607230320jul23,1,7557289.story?page=1&ctrack=1&cset=true&coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

By Tom Hundley, Tribune foreign correspondent. Tribune foreign correspondents Christine Spolar in Tel Aviv, Joel Greenberg in Jerusalem and Liz Sly in Beirut contributed to this report. Rhonda Roumani
Published July 23, 2006


LONDON -- In recent months a new poster has appeared on the cobblestone streets of Damascus. It pictures a smiling Syrian President Bashar Assad flanked by Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

For the U.S. and its European allies, the key to resolving the dangerously escalating war between Israel and Hezbollah may be figuring out some way to separate the once-avowedly secular Assad from his two new fundamentalist friends.

Assad, 40, inherited the Syrian leadership from his father, Hafez, who died in 2000, leaving a legacy as one of the region's most ruthless survivors. An ophthalmologist by trade and retiring by nature, the younger, London-educated Assad initially portrayed himself as a reformer.

But lately he has reverted to family form, playing the role of intriguer and settling into a convenient alliance with Iran, its Hezbollah proxies in Lebanon and the Sunni and Shiite insurgencies in Iraq.

As the fighting in Lebanon worsens and threatens to transmute into a regional conflagration, the lanky, awkward Syrian leader has become the target of verbal missiles, repeatedly singled out by President Bush and Israeli officials as the chief mischief-enabler, the man who must be pressured into stopping Hezbollah's rocket attacks on Israel and eventually disarming the guerrillas.

But the predicament for the Bush administration is whether to punish Assad or attempt to coax him away from the new allies he sought out after an estrangement with the West following the Iraq invasion and the discovery of his regime's hand in the February 2005 assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri.

"Syria knows what it needs to do and Hezbollah is the source of the problem," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Friday as she prepared to travel to the Middle East on Sunday for a round of diplomacy.

Bush, overheard in a private conversation with British Prime Minister Tony Blair last week, cited the Syrian president directly. "I felt like telling [United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan] to call, get on the phone with Assad and make something happen," Bush said. "What they need to do is to get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop."

Administration divided

How Washington approaches Damascus may be colored by internal disputes over how to deal with Assad. While more hawkish Bush administration officials have pushed for tough sanctions and trade limits, the State Department initially tried to have a dialogue with the Syrian government.

The European response to the most recent crisis has been equally muddled. Against the advice of his Foreign Office, Blair has backed Bush in refusing to call for a quick cease-fire.

France, the former colonial power in Lebanon, is pushing for immediate action by the UN Security Council to bring an end to the fighting, while Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero donned a kaffiyeh and appeared to be openly rooting for the Arab "resistance."

"For whatever reason, the Europeans don't want to make this the decisive battle. And the Bush administration is afraid of the ramifications of this battle with regard to its own battles in Iraq, its relationship with Europe and its issues with Iran right now," said Michael Oren, a military historian at the Shalem Center, a Jerusalem research institute.

If the Bush administration opts to do a deal with Assad, there are items on his wish list--such as reopening talks over the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights and reducing pressure from the West to democratize. But so far Assad has been typically silent, and if he has grown to be as crafty a negotiator as his father, his price will be high.

The key for the U.S. could be to rally Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt and other moderate regimes behind a strategy to lure Assad back into the Sunni Arab pack, and persuade him to distance himself from his Shiite friends in Tehran and southern Lebanon.

It's no secret that non-Arab Iran, with grandiose regional ambitions, is Hezbollah's mentor and paymaster. The organization's spiritual leaders take their religious training in Iran, and their offices in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley are graced by portraits of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the father of the Iranian Revolution. Meanwhile, the Fajr 3 rockets that Hezbollah guerillas are firing at Israel's northern cities come courtesy of Tehran.

Syria is the middleman. It provides the land bridge between Iran and southern Lebanon. It also provides a haven for Hamas and other Palestinian radicals who are battling Israel in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.

Israel holds Syria responsible for the present crisis, but it is unlikely to carry the fight to Damascus.

"Israel has said again and again that it does not want to act against Syria," said the Shalem Center's Oren.

Nor is Syria likely to do anything to directly provoke Israel. While the Iranian leadership's hatred of the Jewish state is open, crude and wrapped in religious fervor, Assad's feelings are more nuanced. His hostility toward his neighbor may be heartfelt, but his operating style is cautious, opportunistic and secretive. Above all, he does not want to take the kind of punishing hit that Israel is inflicting upon Lebanon.

"They [the Syrians] are sitting on the sidelines and supplying Hezbollah with arms," said Eyal Zisser, an expert on Syria at Tel Aviv University. "They have always been like that. The Syrians are cautious. They don't want to fight."

A `softer' target

For the U.S., that makes Syria a much "softer" target than Iran, militarily and diplomatically.

During the past three years, Syria has been faced with intense U.S. economic and political pressure as a result of its accommodating stance toward Iraq's insurgents and its heavy-handed presence in Lebanon.

Last year, the international community rallied around UN Resolution 1559, which helped force the withdrawal of Syrian troops from Lebanon after nearly 30 years, and also called for the dismantling of all Lebanese militias--an unspoken but clear reference to Hezbollah.

The screws were further tightened earlier this year when the ongoing UN investigation into the assassination of Hariri implicated several top Syrian officials--and it appears to be drawing ever closer to Assad's doorstep.

Assad's response has been to ditch all pretenses of reform and appeal directly to the Islamic "street" in Syria and the wider region. That's when the posters of Assad flanked by Nasrallah and Ahmadinejad became ubiquitous in Damascus.

This spring, when the Prophet Muhammad cartoon controversy turned ugly, Assad's security police stood by while a mob torched the Danish Embassy in Damascus. Also this year, for the first time in many years, Syrians were allowed to publicly celebrate the Prophet's birthday.

Last week, cars with pale yellow Hezbollah flags paraded through the streets of Damascus, and cheers erupted in many neighborhoods when TV broadcast the news that Hezbollah rockets had hit Israeli targets.

All of this has greatly boosted the prestige of Assad. The young president now portrays himself as the defiant defender of the "resistance," determined to confront the U.S. and Israel everywhere in the Middle East.

Analysts in Damascus believe the government is preparing for a long, drawn-out confrontation with the U.S. and Israel--"an erosive confrontation" is how Samir al-Taqi, an adviser to the Foreign Ministry and head of a newly opened think tank in Syria, put it.

And for now, the war has served Damascus' interests rather well, giving Syria the opportunity once again to behave as Lebanon's benevolent patriarch, opening its gates to the flood of refugees and offering assistance to those in need, said Syrian TV commentator Nabil Samman.

"Syria's standing looks good because it's giving food and medical supplies while Israel is killing civilians and George Bush refuses to call for a cease-fire," Samman said.

Oren, the military historian, said he believes the Israeli army campaign is "misguided" and may be rallying the Lebanese and other Arabs around Hezbollah. The solution, he said, is not risking operations that harm populations but dealing directly with individual leaders.

"We should be taking on the state sponsors of Hamas and Hezbollah . . . and I would take on Syria first," he said. "Start with Syria. Start where you can."

As an aside, this last weekend commemorates the 20th anniversary of the French terrorist attack on the Rainbow Warrior in Auckland harbour 1986. Many of us who remember this despicable act can see why the French get on so well with terrorist organisations.
 
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I have taken an piece from an article in Islam For Today. It gives the history of the Sunni/Shi'ite split in Islam that is affecting Iraq so badly.

It is important to know the split itself is 85% Sunni, 15% Shi'ite. Sunni governments rule in most of the Arab countries, eg, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon & Saudi Arabia. Shi'ite's control Iran.


The Origins of the Sunni/Shia split in Islam
by Hussein Abdulwaheed Amin, Editor of IslamForToday.com
http://www.islamfortoday.com/shia.htm

Introduction
The Shia shahadah (declaration of faith) states:

"There is no god but Alláh, Muhammad is the Messenger of Alláh, Alí is the Friend of Alláh. The Successor of the Messenger of Alláh And his first Caliph."

If you are already familiar with standard Sunni beliefs, you will immediately notice the addition to the shahadah regarding Imam Ali (ra), cousin of the Prophet (pbuh), husband of his daughter Fatima, father of Hassan and Hussein and the second person ever to embrace Islam. The term Shia or Shi'ite derives from a shortening of Shiat Ali or partisans of Ali.

History
Ali is the central figure at the origin of the Shia / Sunni split which occurred in the decades immediately following the death of the Prophet in 632. Sunnis regard Ali as the fourth and last of the "rightly guided caliphs" (successors to Mohammed (pbuh) as leader of the Muslims) following on from Abu Bakr 632-634, Umar 634-644 and Uthman 644-656. Shias feel that Ali should have been the first caliph and that the caliphate should pass down only to direct descendants of Mohammed (pbuh) via Ali and Fatima, They often refer to themselves as ahl al bayt or "people of the house" [of the prophet].

When Uthman was murdered while at prayer, Ali finally succeeded to the caliphate. Ali was, however, opposed by Aisha, wife of the Prophet (pbuh) and daughter of Abu Bakr, who accused him of being lax in bringing Uthman's killers to justice. After Ali's army defeated Aisha's forces at the Battle of the Camel in 656, she apologized to Ali and was allowed to return to her home in Madinah where she withdrew from public life.

However, Ali was not able to overcome the forces of Mu'awiya Ummayad, Uthman's cousin and governor of Damascus, who also refused to recognize him until Uthman's killers had been apprehended. At the Battle of Suffin Mu'awiya's soldiers stuck verses of the Quran onto the ends of their spears with the result that Ali's pious supporters refused to fight them. Ali was forced to seek a compromise with Mu'awiya, but this so shocked some of his die-hard supporters who regarded it as a betrayal that he was struck down by one of his own men in 661.

Mu'awiya declared himself caliph. Ali's elder son Hassan accepted a pension in return for not pursuing his claim to the caliphate. He died within a year, allegedly poisoned. Ali's younger son Hussein agreed to put his claim to the caliphate on hold until Mu'awiya's death. However, when Mu'awiya finally died in 680, his son Yazid usurped the caliphate. Hussein led an army against Yazid but, hopelessly outnumbered, he and his men were slaughtered at the Battle of Karbala (in modern day Iraq). Hussein's infant son, Ali, survived so the line continued. Yazid formed the hereditary Ummayad dynasty. The division between the Shia and what came to be known as the Sunni was set.

An opportunity for Muslim unity arose in the 750's CE. In 750 except for a few who managed to flee to Spain, almost the entire Ummayad aristocracy was wiped out following the Battle of Zab in Egypt in a revolt led by Abu Al Abbass al-Saffah and aided by considerable Shia support. It was envisaged that the Shia spiritual leader Jafar As-Siddiq, great-grandson of Hussein be installed as Caliph. But when Abbass died in 754, this arrangement had not yet been finalised and Abbas' son Al Mansur murdered Jafar, seized the caliphate for himself and founded the Baghdad-based Abbassid dynasty which prevailed until the sack of Baghdad by the Mongols in 1258.
 
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For the anti-USA/Israel goers...good to see the "big evil empire" of the USA (see article below) again offering money and resources towards this crisis in Lebanon, eh?
I wonder how many donations of charity will be forthcoming from Iran, Syria, North Korea, Hezbollah, and al-Queda themselves, towards their 'own' people, considering much of what is happening is their doing? :-X


US pledges humanitarian aid for Lebanon

The United States is providing a $A40 million aid package to help ease Lebanon's humanitarian crisis.

The announcement of the package comes as US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice meets Israeli and Lebanese politicians in a bid to help ease the conflict in the region.

Senior US State Department official David Welch says the package will include medical kits, plastic sheets and blankets.

He says US forces will begin airlifting supplies inside the next 24 hours.

Mr Welch made the announcement while travelling with Dr Rice, who has discussed aid with Lebanon's Prime Minister Fouad Siniora.

"We knew this when we came in, but the immediacy of being in Beirut makes it very, very clear, there are some serious humanitarian problems," Mr Welch said.

United Nations relief co-ordinator Jan Egeland has launched an urgent appeal to raise $A200 million to help up to 800,000 Lebanese people made homeless because of Israel's attacks.

UNICEF's Beirut office says the amount was a drop in the bucket compared to the need.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200607/s1695657.htm
 
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Liverpool said:
For the anti-USA/Israel goers...good to see the "big evil empire" of the USA (see article below) again offering money and resources towards this crisis in Lebanon, eh?
I wonder how many donations of charity will be forthcoming from Iran, Syria, North Korea, Hezbollah, and al-Queda themselves, towards their 'own' people, considering much of what is happening is their doing? :-X


US pledges humanitarian aid for Lebanon

The United States is providing a $A40 million aid package to help ease Lebanon's humanitarian crisis.

The announcement of the package comes as US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice meets Israeli and Lebanese politicians in a bid to help ease the conflict in the region.

Senior US State Department official David Welch says the package will include medical kits, plastic sheets and blankets.

He says US forces will begin airlifting supplies inside the next 24 hours.

Mr Welch made the announcement while travelling with Dr Rice, who has discussed aid with Lebanon's Prime Minister Fouad Siniora.

"We knew this when we came in, but the immediacy of being in Beirut makes it very, very clear, there are some serious humanitarian problems," Mr Welch said.

United Nations relief co-ordinator Jan Egeland has launched an urgent appeal to raise $A200 million to help up to 800,000 Lebanese people made homeless because of Israel's attacks.

UNICEF's Beirut office says the amount was a drop in the bucket compared to the need.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200607/s1695657.htm

Very interesting Tivvercool. I really believe that although the US don't always take the right form of action they generally try to do the right thing. The thing that annoys me here is the UNICEF office's comment. Instead of being thankful for the donation and calling other countries to follow they basically disregard the donation. If every country gave that amount I'm sure it would go a long way to helping many poor people affected by these events.
 
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What completely baffles me is I watched George Bush support the Israeli attack on Lebanon last week,and then see the US Govt he leads offer millions in aid to lebanon and initiate peace resolutions.

I just don't get this mentality whatsoever.
 
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Phantom said:
Michael said:
eight ace said:
I believe the estimate is around 25,000, although last I heard only 7,000 had registered with the embassy.

Thats amazing.
Lebanon most be the most popular holiday destination for Aussies.

I would say many came to Australia following the 1980 Civil War. When they got their citizenship, they signed up for benefits, then went home.

Only a very small proportion of them will want to come back to Australia.

I heard a woman being interviewed on the ABC. She has dual citizenship, and lives in the hills by the Syrian border. She had no intension of returning to Australia. The war was not in her visible or audible surround.

I have no objection to this. I wish her, as everyone, the best of luck.

Phanto, thanks

I too have no objection to Aussies living overseas.
So long as we all understand that it's their choice and we are not expected to go and get them.
Same applies to people like Terry Bullymore.
 
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Michael said:
Phantom said:
Michael said:
eight ace said:
I believe the estimate is around 25,000, although last I heard only 7,000 had registered with the embassy.

Thats amazing.
Lebanon most be the most popular holiday destination for Aussies.

I would say many came to Australia following the 1980 Civil War. When they got their citizenship, they signed up for benefits, then went home.

Only a very small proportion of them will want to come back to Australia.

I heard a woman being interviewed on the ABC. She has dual citizenship, and lives in the hills by the Syrian border. She had no intension of returning to Australia. The war was not in her visible or audible surround.

I have no objection to this. I wish her, as everyone, the best of luck.

Phanto, thanks

I too have no objection to Aussies living overseas.
So long as we all understand that it's their choice and we are not expected to go and get them.
Same applies to people like Terry Bullymore.

Michael,
I do object however to people residing overseas (in this case, Lebanon), coming to Australia and getting dual citizenship, and then going back to (in this instance, its Lebanon) to live.....and as soon as the poo-hits-the-fan....they drag out their Aussie Passports and start complaining about us getting them out.
To me, a citizen is someone who lives in a country, and puts into the country....not just someone who chooses to "take" when it suits them.
Dual citizenships should be banned.
Also, someone to keep their citizenship alive, should reside within that country for a period.
Some "Australians" in Lebanon, have only lived here 1 year out of 10 years, so what have they provided for this country...ZILCH!
Yet, who is paying to get them out of Lebanon?
Us suckers!  ::)
I'm sick of Australia being some charity-case! :mad:
 
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Almost a million people have been made homeless. $40 million is a pissant amount compared to what is needed and UNICEF was merely stating the obvious.
 
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struggletown3121 said:
What completely baffles me is I watched George Bush support the Israeli attack on Lebanon last week,and then see the US Govt he leads offer millions in aid to lebanon and initiate peace resolutions.

I just don't get this mentality whatsoever.
Here's your answer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
 
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Phantom said:
As an aside, this last weekend commemorates the 20th anniversary of the French terrorist attack on the Rainbow Warrior in Auckland harbour 1986. Many of us who remember this despicable act can see why the French get on so well with terrorist organisations.
While we're slinging barbs Phanto,here's another interesting aniversary last week.  ;)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2277717,00.html

background info
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern_gang

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
 
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evo said:
struggletown3121 said:
What completely baffles me is I watched George Bush support the Israeli attack on Lebanon last week,and then see the US Govt he leads offer millions in aid to lebanon and initiate peace resolutions.

I just don't get this mentality whatsoever.
Here's your answer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

Wow!!
I'll never be able to look at this little fellow the same way again............

http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/cartoon/images/miscellaneous/crusader-colorbook.JPG
 
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