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You seem to be hell bent on misunderstanding or bending what i say tonight TM.
Seriously just read what I wrote again and tell me HTF you got that post from what I said
Not sure why people keep pointing at Africa - yes, plenty of strife and quite a few coups, although how many of them are manipulated from outside is open to question. But, in the post-independence period there have been, from memory, 2 wars between states. I recall Tanzania invaded Uganda to remove Amin, Can't remember what the other one was. Ocean of peace compared to the tribal strife in Europe over the years.
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Were we all supposed to be achieving something Tigaman? Damn, I thought we were all just sitting around 10,000 miles away n talking *smile* online.
Interesting article. Very well written by one who has the experience of actually living though it all.
Daniel Levin certainly makes some sense..
A “pipedream”? Could it actually work?
Well, the current status quo certainly isn’t and a solution needs to start somewhere.
Thanks for posting.
Just giving this some more thought. Admittedly I can be a “clumsy” articulating my thoughts
It would need the unqualified support from the West and all the peace loving Arab nations in the area. Especially the wealthier Arab nations.
Obviously there are some that would hate to see this come to fruition as they have their own agendas at play. ie the mad mullahs and those pesky Persians (Sintiger
)who love to influence the Arab world. To a lesser degree, Houthis etc. It would mean they’re sidelined. I believe they would be a big problem to overcome. They not only hate the West, Israel but other Arab states. (Saudi)China might have a big role to play curbing Iran
Regime change in Iran?
A couple of tactical nukes if they interfere? Notice the question mark. It’s not a suggestion.
As Winston once said
“Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm“
Every solution appears to be a pipedream in this conflict. In any case, it only looks like a pipedream until it is seriously tried.
Nothing so far has worked and both a 1 and 2 state solution is damned near impossible to implement in the short term, so a transition scheme has a lot of logic.
What it would hopefully do, in the extremely unlikely event it was tried, is to undermine the Israeli government's clear agenda to make the Palestinians just go away, and undermine the fundies on the Arab side.
Who knew the agreement in Ireland could work? Sometimes you need to make the leap.
As for the Iranian regime, they were under pressure earlier last year but they are very hard to shift. I remember someone at work years ago, her parents were involved in the Iranian Revolution and they were very upset at the government which replaced the Shah. Getting rid of the Shah was overdue, pity the replacement were just a different form of autocratic a*sehole.
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Count me out Willow. Luvved your posts.PUBLIC APOLOGY - mea culpa
I would like to publicly apologise to any posters that I may have hurt, caused angst or in any other way offended with my posts.
Sometimes I get caught up with a sense of importance of my own opinions and thoughts. Which is not acceptable.
While this is site where we can express our opinions freely (I try to back mine up with sources) but that isn’t always acceptable to others without having any sense of their personal involvement
I am guilty of not considering other people’s feelings, that they may have family and loved ones “on either side of the fence” and family and loved ones doing Aid work and volunteering oftentimes at the risk of their own life.
It’s an easy thing to do, just write a post without thinking, that someone reading that post has a deeper personal involvement and experience than myself.
I have sent a pm to some posters, but in case I’ve missed someone I’m making a public apology.
It’s not easy to do, sometimes pride doesn’t allow that, but it is necessary and hopefully I can learn from this and remember there are “real” people who read my posts, and that may affect them.
So once again, I was in the wrong. I was thoughtless of others, I apologise for that most sincerely. Hopefully (there arent hundreds
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Willo
That’s fine mate.
It is addressed to those who I offended or hurt with my posts
Pipe Dreams !!.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Northern Ireland's new first minister says Hamas will be peace partner
Sinn Fein vice president Michelle O'Neill, who became the the first ever nationalist first minister last week, made the claims in an LBC interview with Andrew Marr.
Good on you Willo, it takes a big man.PUBLIC APOLOGY - mea culpa
I would like to publicly apologise to any posters that I may have hurt, caused angst or in any other way offended with my posts.
Sometimes I get caught up with a sense of importance of my own opinions and thoughts. Which is not acceptable.
While this is site where we can express our opinions freely (I try to back mine up with sources) but that isn’t always acceptable to others without having any sense of their personal involvement
I am guilty of not considering other people’s feelings, that they may have family and loved ones “on either side of the fence” and family and loved ones doing Aid work and volunteering oftentimes at the risk of their own life.
It’s an easy thing to do, just write a post without thinking, that someone reading that post has a deeper personal involvement and experience than myself.
I have sent a pm to some posters, but in case I’ve missed someone I’m making a public apology.
It’s not easy to do, sometimes pride doesn’t allow that, but it is necessary and hopefully I can learn from this and remember there are “real” people who read my posts, and that may affect them.
So once again, I was in the wrong. I was thoughtless of others, I apologise for that most sincerely. Hopefully (there arent hundreds
Most humbly
Willo
Hey Willo, like I said way back this is the worst possible format to discuss this kind of thing which is probably why the antman wisely chose not to waste his time and energy here.
You posted a clip from The Ask Project and that’s an interesting project as it isn’t driven by the dogma or virtue signaling. Don't know if you've heard this conversation but this is Ali Rizvi chatting with Corey Gil-Shuster about his project which is how I fell upon it. It's so interesting watching Israelis and West Bank Palestinians speak their mind.
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You posted a clip from The Ask Project and that’s an interesting project as it isn’t driven by the dogma or virtue signaling. Don't know if you've heard this conversation but this is Ali Rizvi chatting with Corey Gil-Shuster about his project which is how I fell upon it. It's so interesting watching Israelis and West Bank Palestinians speak their mind.
E05 | Ask an Israeli, Ask a Palestinian
Podcast Episode · Unlicensed Therapist | Ali A. Rizvi · 01/13/2024 · 1h 24m
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Thanks for linking that mate.Hey Willo, like I said way back this is the worst possible format to discuss this kind of thing which is probably why the antman wisely chose not to waste his time and energy here.
You posted a clip from The Ask Project and that’s an interesting project as it isn’t driven by the dogma or virtue signaling. Don't know if you've heard this conversation but this is Ali Rizvi chatting with Corey Gil-Shuster about his project which is how I fell upon it. It's so interesting watching Israelis and West Bank Palestinians speak their mind.
E05 | Ask an Israeli, Ask a Palestinian
Podcast Episode · Unlicensed Therapist | Ali A. Rizvi · 01/13/2024 · 1h 24m
Very insightful. I only hope other posters take the time to listen to it. It gives a different perspective of people do, ie copy and link video and news feed to suit the narrative.
They don’t have a specific agenda and tell it from locals pov.
It certainly opens one’s eyes to what people over think/believe as opposed to those of us in the west (and other countries) who don’t really get the whole picture
Without getting back into the politics of Israel vs Palestine, I'm sure we all agree that any large scale military offensive into Rafah can only end with mass casualties. To put it into perspective, there are reports of 1.4-1.5m people living in Rafah now. For a city thats only 64 sq miles, thats over 20k people per sqm.
I'm not sure anyone trusts the Israelis when they offer safe passage, afterall they told people in the North of Gaza to flee on certain highways and then attacked them as they escaped. There were reports only a few days ago of a 6 year old escaping with her family, their car was shot at by the Israeli army, she survived that attack, and they sent an ambulance which was given authority by the Israeli army to move through their barriers to get to the little girl only for the israeli army to again open fire on the car and ambulance killing the girl and the ambulance crew. There past history over the 4 months of creating a safe passage for civilians is at best poor, at worst its a war crime.
I hope to heck that Israeli do not take a large scale offensive into Rafah but it seems Netanyahu has already made his mind up, which is very sad.
@Nico Not sure if you've heard from your friend recently. I hope he's somewhere safe.
I'm not sure anyone trusts the Israelis when they offer safe passage, afterall they told people in the North of Gaza to flee on certain highways and then attacked them as they escaped. There were reports only a few days ago of a 6 year old escaping with her family, their car was shot at by the Israeli army, she survived that attack, and they sent an ambulance which was given authority by the Israeli army to move through their barriers to get to the little girl only for the israeli army to again open fire on the car and ambulance killing the girl and the ambulance crew. There past history over the 4 months of creating a safe passage for civilians is at best poor, at worst its a war crime.
I hope to heck that Israeli do not take a large scale offensive into Rafah but it seems Netanyahu has already made his mind up, which is very sad.
@Nico Not sure if you've heard from your friend recently. I hope he's somewhere safe.
The story is not a report, it is true. The source initially is Red Crescent ( the Red Cross) but it has now been reported elsewhere.
The family’s car was attacked and there were 2 survivors, a 14 year old boy and a 6 year old girl. The boy called on a mobile for an ambulance but before the ambulance had left the girl called to say they had been attacked again and the boy was now dead. The ambulance was dispatched but contact was lost.
The whole area was being shelled so it was some time later the ambulance was found smashed to pieces, it had been attacked and all inside were dead. Separately they found the little girl dead as well, still in the car.
Before anyone starts comparing atrocities let’s just say a war crime is still a war crime no matter who carries it out.
Thanks Posh. I heard from Khaled a couple of days ago. He's in Rafah with the other 1M+ displaced Gazans. I only get the odd message from him on WhatsApp when he can get a signal. Poor bastard, he's lived in Gaza his whole life, he's 35 and looks 65. He's seen stuff that no one should see.
To Netanyahu, just don't.
A wonderful article by John Lyons. He is a foreign correspondent for the ABC and is in Jerusalem at the moment.
The American support for Israel is wavering.
We are staying away from who is to blame for the time being and I am happy with that. The point of this article is that it just has to stop, the horror of what is happening is just too much
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02...medium=content_shared&utm_source=abc_news_web
The American support for Israel is wavering.
We are staying away from who is to blame for the time being and I am happy with that. The point of this article is that it just has to stop, the horror of what is happening is just too much
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02...medium=content_shared&utm_source=abc_news_web
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