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Palestine and Israel
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I’ve already acknowledged that some Israeli ordnance was used in Hamas rockets. There were also components supplied to them by Iran, Syria etc.
Good post.
Unfortunately Netanyahu and and his RWNJ Likud party don't want to live side by side with the Palestinians. They want them all gone via genocide or ethnic cleansing. Their goal is nearly realised. They have effectively cornered hundreds of thousands of Gazans in Rafah with Netanyahu saying victory is "within reach".
If the IDF have no issue dropping 2000 lb bombs on refugee camps, then they are going to have no issue slaughtering the remaining Gazans.
This is a *smilen" humanitarian catastrophe.
Additionally, I would have thought any overtures of peace would be contingent on Israel ceasing its land grab in the West Bank. Seems this has intensified since Oct 7th. We're talking about armed soldiers evicting innocent Palestinian families from their homes at gunpoint, homes they've lived all their life. Everything they're worked for, gone! They can't complain, can't seek justice in the courts. Total hopelessness. I can tell you one thing, if anyone came to my home and illegally evicted me and my family, I would make it my life's mission to seek revenge. And people wonder why Palestinians ark up now and then....
Not true at all. History and any fact finding or search engine will show time and time again the arabs were the first to break any accord or deal put into place.
From the Balfour Declaration, Churchills’ partition and founding of Jordan, the 1948 UN Resolution 50, The Camp David Accords,The Oslo Accords and many other peace plans.
What was the common denominator when these plans all failed?
Terrorist or State based players initiating attacks on Israel. Now I know some will say the attacks occurred because of delays and perceived transgressions by Israel. But for peace to work it takes two parties to agree and then implement the agreement.
There are too many powerful warmongers who don’t want peace at any price. Unfortunate for the innocent people who always suffer. But it will always be so when the likes of Hamas, IB, Hezbollah and others want to keep their positions of power.
Off on a tangent a bit.
There is an inherent problem with many arabs. They just can hardly live together, let alone live with another country they hate.
Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Sudan just to give some examples.
The warlords want to rule, tribal feuds going back decades, different tribes in the same country, different sects of the same religion, it doesn’t matter. They must just love the mayhem.
Israel isn’t involved there but they all have something in common.
The flaw in this is that Israel was required to do something, the Palestinians were only required to live on their land.
Israel was required to do 3 things. Stop building settlements in the West Bank, share sovereignty over East Jerusalem with the Palestinians and stop blockading Gaza.
They never had any intention of doing any of them and they knew that complete control over militants would be impossible for the Palestinians to do so they did nothing and waited for someone to lob a missile over the fence and then blame the Palestinians.
Firstly Iranians are not Arabs, they are Persians
Yes they can’t live together like Anglo celts in Ireland, people from the balkans, Slavic people from Russia and Ukraine, the basques and the Spanish etc have not been able to live together in history as well. There are disputes everywhere, it is not unique to Arabs.
Interestingly in the 1950s what was the thing that brought them together and had them fighting side by side ? The NAQBA and the dispossession of the Palestinian people.
The other thing is what does that area of the African continent have in common with each other including Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria , Libya, Sudan, Egypt, Yemen and of course Palestine as well as others. European colonialism.
Not all Iranians are Persians. The majority are, but there is quite a mix of ethnicities there. Including Arabs.
How long since Europeans were involved in those countries Sin? They hardly have anything to do with those countries for how many years now? That’s a bit of a cop out. People should take responsibility for their own actions. Funnily enough a lot of those countries that were colonised now have a large influx of migrants from those same countries. I wonder why that is.
Yes you are correct, there are many disputes all over the world. But not with the same intensity, frequency and total disregard for their own people. Usually it was against a common foe. Not their own people. There maybe some exceptions though.
Well more so in the 1920s to start with. Then it was the formal founding of the a state of Israel in 1948. Then onwards from there.
I know we’ll never agree but it’s a good discourse to be had. It’s made me do some research and i have a hell of a lot more information than I had previously. You’re never too old to learn. well, I’m not, too bad others are so indoctrinated or ignorant they don’t want to.
(not directed at you btw).
I think weve already covered this ground. Apart from purchased land in the WB, they shouldn’t be building any settlements they’ve no right to. They wouldn’t need to blockade Gaza if terrorists didn’t use it as a base of operations. National security. Exactly the same as Egypt having walls and checkpoints on their border with Gaza.
I’m not sure they blame the “Palestinians” but more so terror groups hamas, hezbollah, IJ, Fatah, IB etc. that hide behind the civilian population.
Interesting viewing. It’s not going to be easy to sort this out. Unfortunately.
We have. I have decided not to respond to your posts. Not because I can’t but because there is no point.
Not with the same intensity or total disregard for their own? Maybe some exceptions? The Balkans war in the 1990s (there have been a few of them so we need to date them) was more brutal than anything we've seen in the middle east. By some margin. Pretty sure the Balkans are whiteys, unless that term is only being reserved for those those of Anglo Saxon descent.
F**ck me this laughable.
I think the intensity of the first and second world wars which were disputes amongst countries of the west were pretty intense, I'd even say more intense than the disputes in the middle east.
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And the Balkans were what? Between Serbs, Bosnians, Croats. It seems you missed the point
Follow the point and you wouldn’t have to *smile* yourself
I stated “their own people”. Maybe if you followed what I have said, you’d be able to grasp the context. Not just pick out what triggers you and respond
The cherry picking tag team are out and about I see.
They pick something out, respond then take off as usual.
At least Sin makes his point and has the courage of his convictions.
The other lwdp‘s obviously don’t read or comprehend too well and just pop in, sound off and run. No discussion with them
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