Ben Shapiro! Really? Couldn't have picked more of a RWNJ if you tried.
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Ben Shapiro! Really? Couldn't have picked more of a RWNJ if you tried.
The Israelis clearly don’t care.
If you think Israel will stop if all the hostages are handed over you are kidding yourself.
I’ll say it one more time Willo and then I will sign off again. Israel’s definition of “Hamas” is deeply flawed. They include in that definition anyone who has “collaborated with Hamas” which includes basically anyone who had dealings with the government who was/is Hamas. They also include families of these people. I know this from people actually involved through their families. Hamas can never surrender because they just change the definition.
I suggest that you should stop looking at the Israeli government as if they are a professional and logical body. They are not.
If you understand what they really want then you can understand what they are doing. They don’t want Hamas to surrender, they want Gaza.
Dude... Willo couldn't care less about such facts.
Same as Tigaman et.al. during The Voice referendum.
Can't open the eyes of people who are happy to stay blind.
Israel is hellbent on eradicating Hamas, in all its forms.
I certainly don’t subscribe to the idea that the Israeli government are “purer than snow”.
The very reason for the catastrophe that is Gaza can be laid fairly and squarely at the feet of Hamas. It’s leadership, its foot soldiers and their associates.
Not all Gazan residents are guilty by association. But it’s hard to differentiate . Not that I agree with all that’s happening. I can understand the reasons, but don’t agree with the scale of it.
The catalyst for all of this is October 7. There were enough provocations in the last 20 years. This was the ultimate and final action that the state of Israel would endure.
Now whether under Netanyahu’s ultra right wing government or a more conservative government would the result be the same can be debated.
But either way, it was the last straw for the government of the time. Otherwise why wouldn’t Israel have carried out the same bombing, death and destruction prior to this.
I believe a lot of Israeli “hawks” now want to take over Gaza and repopulate it as a precursor to prevent anymore attacks on Israel’s civilians. Which is one solution.
I also believe other Israelis do not want to have anything to do with Gaza. All they want it for both sides to live in peace. But I’m sure that’s just a pipedream as the powermongers on both sides would never let that happen.
As I stated time and time again, it’s the innocent that suffer and pay the price
Time will certainly tell.
Sin who are you to talk .A bloke wants to close down this thread because of the disturbing remarks & you are one of the culprits. Slagging me as a reference you just cannot get any bloody lower. Ya mates take note of this as well. You even got stuck into the seniors . Pathetic lot !!.
I’m not going to go back and forward on this. The concept of the last straw comes back to an opinion and Palestinians would say their last straw was reached a long time ago.
Go to the idea of peace
Peace to Israelis and Palestinians cannot come from war becauee the outcome will not be accepted. Hamas will be replaced, resistance will continue.
There is a massive imbalance in power. Israel has one of the most highly resourced militaries in the world, Hamas had some rockets many of which were stitched together from unexplored Israeli rockets.
Peace can only come by Israel saying “we will live side by side with Palestinians” and getting UN backed peace keepers involved. Hamas and its successors can only be weakened by taking away their reason for existing. The powerful giving the weak the gift of peace is the only way to solve this.
Until Israel realises this they will be at perpetual war.
Sin you are delusional " we will live side by side with Palestinians etc etc ".
www.dailymail.co.uk
Benjamin Netanyahu rejects Hamas' 'delusional' hostage deal proposal
The Israeli Prime Minister slammed the terrorists' demands as 'bizarre' and said to agree to them would 'only invite another massacre' when they are 'a finger away from a decisive victory'.
Gotta love sticking to Uncy Rupert's propaganda.Sin you are delusional " we will live side by side with Palestinians etc etc ".
Benjamin Netanyahu rejects Hamas' 'delusional' hostage deal proposal
The Israeli Prime Minister slammed the terrorists' demands as 'bizarre' and said to agree to them would 'only invite another massacre' when they are 'a finger away from a decisive victory'.
Reckon Rupy wouldn't know truth if it kicked him in the teeth.
For the majority of your post, I agree with you.
But how many times have peace accords been reached and then they’re thrown back Sin?
The idea that “Hamas some rockets, many of which were stitched together from unexploded (*) Israeli rockets” oh come now.
Surely you jest. No doubt Hamas has repurposed some ordnance others were stolen, but the copious amounts of rockets were made by using everyday materials and other gear supplied to them. Mostly by Iran, Syria, Nth Korea and other terrorist groups.
Qassam rocket - Wikipedia
How times has Israel agreed to accept Peace Talks. How many times has Israel agreed to land swaps, given land back etc etc only to keep getting attacked?
Of course a nations patience will runout, then it’s a matter of national security.
How many countries/states/people has Israel launched attacks against that hasn’t first attacked it or was preparing attacks.?
I have said before that an International Peacekeeping force should be in place. Give the Gazans and West Bank an opportunity to elect their own governments. Hamas has been in power without any elections for nearly 20 years. The PA in West Bank, under Mahmoud Abbas hasn’t held an election in nearly the same time.
Unfortunately too many of the Palestinian leaders don’t want peace. They never have. Every Peace Initiative has been sabotaged by the Arabs in some way. History shows that, there are numerous sites where that can be verified. They’re too used to being in power with all the trappings that come with it.
Until the Palestinians have to opportunity to have democratic elections with a leadership (not terrorists) that actually cares for its people and actually want peace, nothing will change.
Peace isn’t a one way street. We all know that.
It’s always tit for tat, no one wins.
No Willo every time there is a peace deal Israel reneg. They keep on building settlements in the area designated for Palestinians as an example. Rockets are desperation. They have a government in the west bank that has stated Israel’s right to exist in 1993, the old PLO. The settlements continue, makes no difference.For the majority of your post, I agree with you.
But how many times have peace accords been reached and then they’re thrown back Sin?
The idea that “Hamas some rockets, many of which were stitched together from unexploded (*) Israeli rockets” oh come now.
Surely you jest. No doubt Hamas has repurposed some ordnance others were stolen, but the copious amounts of rockets were made by using everyday materials and other gear supplied to them. Mostly by Iran, Syria, Nth Korea and other terrorist groups.
Qassam rocket - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
It’s a bit disingenuous to suggest that Hamas were just “return to sender” rockets.
How times has Israel agreed to accept Peace Talks. How many times has Israel agreed to land swaps, given land back etc etc only to keep getting attacked?
Of course a nations patience will runout, then it’s a matter of national security.
How many countries/states/people has Israel launched attacks against that hasn’t first attacked it or was preparing attacks.?
I have said before that an International Peacekeeping force should be in place. Give the Gazans and West Bank an opportunity to elect their own governments. Hamas has been in power without any elections for nearly 20 years. The PA in West Bank, under Mahmoud Abbas hasn’t held an election in nearly the same time.
Unfortunately too many of the Palestinian leaders don’t want peace. They never have. Every Peace Initiative has been sabotaged by the Arabs in some way. History shows that, there are numerous sites where that can be verified. They’re too used to being in power with all the trappings that come with it.
Until the Palestinians have to opportunity to have democratic elections with a leadership (not terrorists) that actually cares for its people and actually want peace, nothing will change.
Peace isn’t a one way street. We all know that.
It’s always tit for tat, no one wins.
There was a report that a lot of the Hamas rockets found are in fact Israeli rockets that didn’t work. I will see if I can find it, as much as 30-40% of the rockets found.
People who are there or who have been there. Footage of actual events on the ground.Good for you. So I supply facts regardless of the who reports it and the source and it’s instantly not to be believed.
And I’m blinded.
Are you willing to name a media source that you can accept? Al Jazeera maybe … or any other propaganda outlet.
Not hard.
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