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And huge marches against Netanyahu too. Particularly the Supreme Court changes.
Will make sure I look at the John Oliver coverage
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You actually believe this conflict began on October 7th you ignorant *smile*?
Still waiting for you to tell everyone why you think the Israelis are the goodies.
I support the bringing to justice of any people who have committed murder, whether they be Palestinian or Israeli.
The reason people ask that question is the same reason they ask Palestinian officials if they condemn the Hamas attack. It reduces the whole issue to what happened on October 7th
Let me ask you a question. Do you support the struggle of the Palestinian people for their homeland which includes the end of the siege of Gaza and the end of the illegal settlements in the West Bank?
If you go back 5 weeks ago there were people posting about the pitfalls of taking sides. It is way more complex than that.
What Israel is doing will not rid them of Hamas because when you oppress people terrorists emerge unfortunately. Killing all these people and so many children is not about Hamas, they know that. Netanyahu himself said this is about the Palestinians paying a price they cannot bear.
Hamas can only disappear when the reason they exist is taken away. Give the Palestinians peace and they won’t want Hamas because their views are the fringe.
Palestinians weren't living peacefully before October 7, they were living under siege. Water, electricity, food, the basics of life were restricted by the Israeli government, restricted to a very low number of calories so they could barely survive. They face harassment by settlers, a bloody great aparthied wall to keep them in their bantustan.
But Palestinians are not as important as Israelis apparently, their plight doesn't matter as much.
Here's a good article on how the suffering of Israelis is treated as exponentially more important than the suffering of Palestinians:
https://theshot.net.au/news/general-news/this-is-genocide/
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I agree. But I doubt it will ever be resolved satisfactorily. Hardliners on both sides are not prepared to sacrifice anything but theirs and their families own lives. It is a religious war, has been for centuries. Just the weaponry has changed. More deaths, faster.
I used to belive that faith in science & the education of women in the East would reduce the reliance and power of religious belief but I'm not so sure anymore.
It looks unsolvable right now
I am not as strong on this being a purely religious war, not like ISIS and the killing of infidels just because they are infidels. Of course there is a religious element but if you take islam out of it the Palestinians would still be fighting for their land, they would still be dispossessed and they would still be under siege.
I think labelling this as a purely religious war is a mistake.
Agree.
For me its not Islam against Judaism. This is purely Palestine vs Israel (or vice versa). Even Hamas, don't advocate for the death of all Jews, they want the end of the Israeli state, now I'm not saying thats a viable solution as it isn't, but it shows its more a state v state conflict rather than religion v religion.
Crazy to think at its heart this is not a religious issue. There would be no problem if the land did not hold such historical religious significance.
Hamas - so they don't advocate for the death of all jews? What, just some? Shouting "Allahu Akbar" as they proudly slaughter Jews. Are there moderate Hamas members?
Zionism is essentially the other side doing the same thing to arabs.
Hamas - so they don't advocate for the death of all jews? What, just some? Shouting "Allahu Akbar" as they proudly slaughter Jews. Are there moderate Hamas members?
Zionism is essentially the other side doing the same thing to arabs.
Thousands take to streets in Gaza in rare public display of discontent with Hamas
Several thousand people briefly took to the streets across the Gaza Strip to protest the territory’s chronic power outages and difficult living conditions.
apnews.com
Just thought I'd toss this in. Sorry if it's been posted before and no idea where AP is on the political spectrum. Some indication of protest in July though.
We recognise Indigenous tribes settled here 60,000 years ago. (Or thereabouts) and so we should.
Israel was formerly Judaea and /or Canaan in biblical times. So Israelites have a history of inhabiting this land 3-4000 years ago.
Due to repeated conquests the ancient Jews were forced off the land by Assyrians, Babylonians, Egyptians etc.
The great Jewish Diaspora was forced. Then they wanted to return to their homeland centuries of persecution, the proms happened in most European countries throughout the last 1000 years. Culminin the Holocaust.
Palestine was never a state or race. There were a number of ethnic Arab tribes until the Balfour Declaration after WW1 named part of the land Palestine
It’s not like the Israelis just decided on any old place to call home. They’ve had ethnic,religious, historical and cultural ties to this land for countless generations.
Is this about land or religion? Probably a bit of both.
Islam started up around 1400 years ago, Judaism approx 2500 years(?) ago.
Muslims built over the ruins of The Temple of Solomon. Now a Muslim Holy site. But the Jews were there first. Does that take precedence?
As for land, a lot is said of Israel posssessing “Palestinian” land. There was no Palestinian land before the Balfour Declaration. Many were booted out from Trans-Jordan. Now named Jordan they annexed the West Bank during the 1948 war until Israel took possession during the 1967 war when it was attacked. Jordan renounced any claim on the West Bank in 1988.
Thats history. If there are any discrepancies I may stand corrected.
How is the current state of affairs to be settled?
Israel has Palestinian members of parliament. It has Israeli Palestinians citizens. The biggest issue (to me) is the militant religious groups who want nothing to do with Israel, the Jews living there or any compromise that may have led to a 2 state solution. They want nothing less than the total destruction of Israel and death to all its Jewish (infidel) people. Man, woman and child. No exceptions.
I doubt there will ever be a compromise when hardliners in both camps won’t give an inch.
The October 7 massacres can not be justified in any way shape or form. Anyone who states Hamas were goaded into it needs an urgent medical assesment.
If Israel is provoked to respond, that’s on Hamas. Why do they hide amongst the general population? Why do the ordinary Palestinians people pay the price for Hamas stupidity and atrocities.? Israel will not stand by why Hamas and Hezbollah fire rockets and have armed incursions into Israel. It’s like punching a Doberman repeatedly in the face and not expecting any response.
Just madness.
It certainly pains me to see so many innocents become victims of these bastards while the top echelon of Hamas, Heszbollah and the like siphon of $billions slated for urgent assistance of Paestinians. Then they live like emirs in places like Qatar etc.
Meanwhile innocent men, women and children suffer .
Just my take on things. If you don’t agree, that’s fine we all have different opinions
Israel was formerly Judaea and /or Canaan in biblical times. So Israelites have a history of inhabiting this land 3-4000 years ago.
Due to repeated conquests the ancient Jews were forced off the land by Assyrians, Babylonians, Egyptians etc.
The great Jewish Diaspora was forced. Then they wanted to return to their homeland centuries of persecution, the proms happened in most European countries throughout the last 1000 years. Culminin the Holocaust.
Palestine was never a state or race. There were a number of ethnic Arab tribes until the Balfour Declaration after WW1 named part of the land Palestine
It’s not like the Israelis just decided on any old place to call home. They’ve had ethnic,religious, historical and cultural ties to this land for countless generations.
Is this about land or religion? Probably a bit of both.
Islam started up around 1400 years ago, Judaism approx 2500 years(?) ago.
Muslims built over the ruins of The Temple of Solomon. Now a Muslim Holy site. But the Jews were there first. Does that take precedence?
As for land, a lot is said of Israel posssessing “Palestinian” land. There was no Palestinian land before the Balfour Declaration. Many were booted out from Trans-Jordan. Now named Jordan they annexed the West Bank during the 1948 war until Israel took possession during the 1967 war when it was attacked. Jordan renounced any claim on the West Bank in 1988.
Thats history. If there are any discrepancies I may stand corrected.
How is the current state of affairs to be settled?
Israel has Palestinian members of parliament. It has Israeli Palestinians citizens. The biggest issue (to me) is the militant religious groups who want nothing to do with Israel, the Jews living there or any compromise that may have led to a 2 state solution. They want nothing less than the total destruction of Israel and death to all its Jewish (infidel) people. Man, woman and child. No exceptions.
I doubt there will ever be a compromise when hardliners in both camps won’t give an inch.
The October 7 massacres can not be justified in any way shape or form. Anyone who states Hamas were goaded into it needs an urgent medical assesment.
If Israel is provoked to respond, that’s on Hamas. Why do they hide amongst the general population? Why do the ordinary Palestinians people pay the price for Hamas stupidity and atrocities.? Israel will not stand by why Hamas and Hezbollah fire rockets and have armed incursions into Israel. It’s like punching a Doberman repeatedly in the face and not expecting any response.
Just madness.
It certainly pains me to see so many innocents become victims of these bastards while the top echelon of Hamas, Heszbollah and the like siphon of $billions slated for urgent assistance of Paestinians. Then they live like emirs in places like Qatar etc.
Meanwhile innocent men, women and children suffer .
Just my take on things. If you don’t agree, that’s fine we all have different opinions
You hit the nail on the head with the above. This latest conflict clash will just go down in the annals of history. What can we do basically zilch. Penny Ping Wong waffling on but on deaf ears. Maybe they will listen to Christian Wilkins. As for aid $20 Million just given to UNRWA a relief agency but if you read this mornings Herald Sun Page 6 report you utter wtf !!.
Unlike you Tigaman I actually have some knowledge in this area because I have a relative who has worked in aid in Gaza.
I would urge anyone appalled by the genocide in Gaza to donate to Australian Red Cross who are affiliated with the Palestinian Red Crescent who lead the relief effort in Gaza. Also the UN agencies are still there having had more than 20 staff killed by the Israelis so far.
With partition in 1948 and Palestinians being forced from their homes.
All this talk of Palestinians having to accept the state of Israel, how about the Israelis being asked to accept the state of Palestine? How about the Israelis conceding that it was not a land without people when they started moving in early in the 20th century?
While we're on the topic, the Palestinians did accept the state of Israel, the PLO did this decades ago. Where did that get them? They did what was asked and got screwed over even more. They got offered a really sh!!t deal which and have been under siege while settlements eat away at what little is left to form a Palestinian state ever since.
Any surprise, after accepting the state of Israel and getting no recognition that they exist in return, that some Palestinians are attracted to terrorism like Zionists were many decades ago?
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