Egypt has only really been complicit in recent years because they have never accepted Palestinian refugees. Israel would love it if they did because they will never let them back in.
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Palestine and Israel
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I’m not going to go through this point by point but just note a few things
1. Arab or Palestinian israelis do in theory have the same rights as Jews but in reality they don’t. Maybe have a look at this
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel
2. The Palestinians in East Jerusalem have no rights because they live in an area annexed illegally by Israel. They refused citizenship because to accept it would be to accept it is part of Israel. It is essentially a ghetto.
I suggest you look at a fantastic documentary made 10 years or so ago called East Jerusalem/west Jerusalem.
3. The claim to who has rights to the land are complicated but there are UN resolutions on that which israel ignore and there was an agreement for the 2 state solution 30 years ago.
4. Hamas does not accept Israel’s right to exist but they are fringe, the PLO accepted it in 1993.
5. Most Palestinians would accept the 2 state solution, in fact they did, but there are others who believe it should be one country with Jews and Palestinians living side by side. The other day a Palestinian official called for this. Any hope of that has gone I suspect
Try over 100 UN deaths in Gaza. Israeli belligerence towards who they attack and kill is the equal of Hamas’.
UN honours 101 staff killed in Gaza conflict
From the hustle and bustle of New York City to the edge of the Karura Forest in Kenya’s capital, Nairobi, offices across the global UN system paid tribute on Monday to the 101 staff killed so far during the war raging in Gaza – the largest loss during a conflict in the Organization’s 78-year...
The issue is you are choosing an arbitrary time to go back to. Why then? Why not earlier? How do you decide who has the most legitimate/first claim to occupy the land? Who was their first?
None of this justifies Israels bombing of innocents. And the disgraceful ongoing treatment of the people of Gaza.
But there appears some justifications being made for Hamas actions. Hamas wasn't created by Israel's actions. Hamas was created by extremist religious belief. It's goal is to annhiliate Israel. Imagine if Hamas had access to Nuclear weapons? We wouldn't be having this discussion, Israel would not exist.
The bottom line is all of the extreme actions only occur because of religious belief. No other reason.
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Hamas is just another name for an extreme Islamic religious organisation practicing jihad - they have existed for centruies and will continue to exist for centuries. Israel didn't create them. Religious belief creates them.
How Israel went from helping 'create' Hamas to bombing it
Hamas has roots watered by Israeli funding, former military governor of Gaza admitswww.tbsnews.net
It's basically irrelevant. Religious wars have occurred for centuries, will continue to occur (hopefully not for centuries).
How many are islamist organisations condoning jihad? And jihad in particular against Israel?
Harry will argue the US, Aust, the UK etc should all be listed there too.
Short term solution, but look at the West Bank too. The PLO basically accepted Israel, and they have still seen their lands (that the UN have recognised as Palestinian lands) pushed back through forced settlement. Too many seeing this as a purely Hamas vs Israel issue. How then does the West Bank still get punished? Hamas controls Gaza and has no influence over the West Bank.
I don't think you have to try too hard to imagine the hate and motivation Israel has towards Hamas and their supporters
unfortunately their actions in the last few weeks will have only bred a whole generation of hate driven Palestinians
just look at the first post in this thread , bloody hell July 2006 , same same just 17 years earlier and on a smaller scale
plenty of stuff running around on the internet about Arab Jew tensions
sigh no end in sight
unfortunately their actions in the last few weeks will have only bred a whole generation of hate driven Palestinians
just look at the first post in this thread , bloody hell July 2006 , same same just 17 years earlier and on a smaller scale
plenty of stuff running around on the internet about Arab Jew tensions
sigh no end in sight
What is the line on bowing to terrorists? 12000 people, 20000? Maybe the line is the elimination of all Palestinians from Gaza whatever it takes? What is it?
Should the Palestinians bow to the settler terrorists who murder them? There are multiple examples of this occurring in the West Bank. What should be the proportional response of the Palestinians to not bow to those terrorists.
It is a never needing cycle, violence leads to violence.
And then ?
Will israel stop the siege of Gaza, will they stop building illegal settlements in the West Bank?
Of course they won’t. The surrender or elimination of Hamas will simply create a pause until the next iteration unless there is the implementation of an agreement for peace and self autonomy for Palestinians.
Yeh, the forced, illegal settlements are a massive issue.
Israel's Occupation: 50 Years of Dispossession
Mass human rights violations during the 50-year occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip have devastated the lives of millions of Palestinians.
www.amnesty.org
Who are Israeli settlers, and why do they live on Palestinian lands?
As many as 700,000 Israeli settlers are living illegally in the occupied West Bank as settler violence surges.
They started because of ultra orthodox jews. Again, the basis of the illegal settlements has it's roots in religion.
Until this stops there is no hope of change.
Just up the road from where I live a burger joint was blown up recently, the police have come out and said it wasn't a hate crime. Sooooooo...
In a shopping strip of many, a single store was targeted. That shop is owned by a Palestinian.
The perpetrators' of the crime certainly had a similar dress to many others local to the area.
Poor bloody shop owner, having his business attacked for...???
In a shopping strip of many, a single store was targeted. That shop is owned by a Palestinian.
The perpetrators' of the crime certainly had a similar dress to many others local to the area.
Poor bloody shop owner, having his business attacked for...???
You are very quick to point out Israels violence and excuse everything the Palestinians do, neither side holds the moral high ground and yes violence does lead to violence, the problem is both sides expect the other side to stop the violence before they do.
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