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They is them who take those statistics in their spare time as they have nothing else to do.
Exactly!
One of the most sophisticated defence systems in the world, the so-called 'iron dome'.
Yet they couldn't stop hordes of militants and guys with parachutes coming over the border??
Everything stinks about this
I can easily agree with the US losing it's grip on world dominance comment, not just the Septics but probably the entire western world is losing it's grip on pretty much everything, they're all fearsomely conflicted n constipated.
Nice to know that it's the US 's fault that the Russkies are kicking the suitcase out of the Ukies and that everyone was getting bored with all the song n dance over that kerfuffle so now the US n the Issies have sucked Hamas into starting a punch on that is obliterating large parts of Gaza, just so the septics can get Persia sucked into the fight n then the US can ride in like the good old cavalry n save the world from those nasty Ayatollah's. I can see only one small flaw with that idea though. Over the last thirty or forty years every western country has grown massive enclaves of Arabic / Muslim people in the name of multi culturalism. The protests everywhere just lately have been humungous just over Israel v Hamas / Palestine if the *smile* hits the fan much harder, by involving Iran or any of the other Arabic nations then the repercussions will be not just around the middle east but in every major city around the world. It'll be ugly n not just a few punch on's for a couple of months, it'll be generations of strife.
Meanwhile old mate Grandpa Xi will continue spreading his influence n power / control wider and wider as everyone else is kept busy doing other *smile*.
Righty-o.
The Iron Dome is a sophisticated missile defence system designed to shoot down rocket attacks from Gaza and Lebanon (among other places) into Israel.
Meanwhile, Hamas used bulldozers, trucks and explosives to break through the chain fence between Gaza and Israel, and sent over 3,000 Hamas militants / terrorists to attack Israeli settlements and cities in the Western Negev desert.
How exactly was the Iron Dome system supposed to stop the Hamas terrorists crossing the border into Southern Israel (and I am asking this rhetorically, don't bother answering).
Lets not let fact, logic and rational thought get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.
That is why it is pointless posting on this board / topic. Enough from me.
Agree. Israelis wouldn't do that. But just to be sure we should check if there were any windowless planes flying about at the same time.
What is surprising is that Shin Bet's intelligence gathering was made to look amateurish.
Ok, we know Iron Dome is nothing to do with protecting the border between the latest expansion of Israel and Gaza.
But there are questions to be asked about how the Israelis with the surveillance of the border, using cameras, motion detectors and the like, along with their much vaunted human intelligence networks, missed this. It is a bit suss, but I really can't see the Israelis just letting Hamas attack their settlements like this.
A bit of a quandary really, although you can't rule out that Israeli intelligence just stuffed up or under-estimated Hamas, a screw up is often the most likely explanation.
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But there are questions to be asked about how the Israelis with the surveillance of the border, using cameras, motion detectors and the like, along with their much vaunted human intelligence networks, missed this. It is a bit suss, but I really can't see the Israelis just letting Hamas attack their settlements like this.
A bit of a quandary really, although you can't rule out that Israeli intelligence just stuffed up or under-estimated Hamas, a screw up is often the most likely explanation.
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I have sympathy with the Isrealis and the Gaza issue, but it only takes 45mins to fly by helicopter from Jerusalem to the Gaza strip, and these psychos were running rampant for 6 hrs and even managed to escape back over the border with hostages. It does seem strange, but i wouldn't be tying this up in a US agenda. The US need a major conflict in the middle east like they need a hole in the head.
The Russia / Ukraine conflict was their war to keep Washington DC mansions going up after the Afganistan withdrawl (F** up).
The situation with Isreal and the timing of this conflict could be put down to the politics playing out over there. Just like the rest of the Western leaning countries, they have been getting eroded from within, and were on the brink of civil war. You had one side wanting to get all soft and mushy with Hamas who want nothing more than to kill every Jew on the planet. The other side sees the reality that no matter what you give, the fact is that the agenda of the other side is the total destruction of the Jewish state - not much room to go soft and weak.
On the US, the munitions they make in a month are being fired in 3 days by the Ukrainians. If the Russia / Ukraine war has highlighted anything, it's the soft underbelly of the USA. Yes they are more technically advanced than their opponents, and probably by a lot more than we even know, but they have lost so much of their manufacturing base that they can't even get close to keeping supply of the European war, let alone another in the middle east. This isn't something they can turn on over night either, unlike WW2.
Don't get me wrong, Blackrock, Vanguard and State Street will all be rubbing their hands together, which is why you have so many war mongers within the US Senate. Senators from both sides of the house rely on campaign funds from the largest companies, all majoritavely owned by those 3 large asset managers, so they are all for war.
This is where you have the tail wagging the dog. Those in the know within the US military are not the ones making the decisions. It's stupid politicians egged on by their doners, so what's good for the US, or what the US is capable of are the last things on the minds of these guys. Elizabeth Warren (D) is probably th e biggest war monger in the house. She wants to bomb everyone all of the time, but then listen to the words of Lindsey Graham (R) when he gave his analysis of the Ukranian war something like this :
"The Ukranian war is only 5% of our military budget, and look how many Russians we've managed to kill without the loss of one US soldier. It's the best money we ever spent"!
So is that why the US and he UK vettoe'd the peace talks set up by Turkey at the start of the confict? To kill as many young Russian men as possible? Well The Ukraine is out of fighting men, and about 2 weeks ago passed legislation ordering all women between the ages of 18 and 60 to report for duty. So Lindsey Grahan is gloating over the meat grinder that has chewed through a generation of Ukranians and also thousands of Russians. Good for you Lindsey, how about you go to the front line!
The whole issue for Russia is a military alliance getting right up to their border. Putin achieved his objective very early on, which was to get the Ukranians to the negotiation table over the whole NATO thing. It's much the same as the Cuban missile crisis for the US many decades ago. But these talks were stopped by the US. Why would they do that?
Propbably the same reason they had their puppet Zelensky up the bombing campaign of the Russian speaking Ukranian provinces a few month s before Putin moved troops to the border. It's not the first time the US has destabalised a region just so they can come in on thier white horses. In fact the IMF were getting a bit itchy about the money going into these campaigns at the time.
The person who has shown most control is Probably Putin, who hasn't advanced the front much beyond these Russian speaking provinces. In fact, that is apparently the main reason the Wagner Group marched on Moscow, and there are generals in the ranks that are far more hawkish about the conflict than Putin.
You have to be really careful what you listen to with our own media. An example is the innitial stories of Russia blowing up the Norstream pipeline. 14 billion in inferstructure gone! And they did it themsleves when they control the spigot. I can't believe they even tried to give us that story. Our media also hides the Nazi problem lurking within the Ukraine, laughing at Putin when he mentions it. There are documentaries from 6 to 8 years ago that go into this in detail. In fact Zelensky paraded a 93 year old full on SS Nazi in front of the Canadian parliament who all gave him a standing ovation. Now they are in damage control mode, after sharp eyed 90 odd year old Jews reccognised the man they were calling a hero. Poland is now trying to have him extradited so they can try him for war crimes.
I was talking to a former colleage from the March Airfoce base fairly recently and he mentioned a conversation he had with a strategic analysist who does a lot of training of people they earmark as possible future generals for the US military. This instructor / analysist mentioned that he'd told this class (i think about 14 people) of the happenings in the Ukraine and why Russia was going so well, and the US backed Ukranians so poorly. None of them seemed aware that the west was getting their (_(_)'s handed to them. One lady apparently came to him at the end of the course, which apparently only goes a week or so and asked where he got his information.
The thing that hit this guys was that these people in this class are already pretty high up in the military, and only know what the propoganda machine is feeding them. He found that rather scary.
As a foot note, i just want to make clear i wasn't at the March Airforce base as a pilot or anything as glamerous as that. I was 17 just on 18 yrs old, and got a job there as a fitness co-ordinator. A contact got me the job so i could stay within driving distance of LA as there was something there i was trying to sort out. It's many decades back now (the 80's) but i met some amazing people.
Heard the saying "It was the best of himes, it was the worst of times"? That's how i'd describe that year.
The Russia / Ukraine conflict was their war to keep Washington DC mansions going up after the Afganistan withdrawl (F** up).
The situation with Isreal and the timing of this conflict could be put down to the politics playing out over there. Just like the rest of the Western leaning countries, they have been getting eroded from within, and were on the brink of civil war. You had one side wanting to get all soft and mushy with Hamas who want nothing more than to kill every Jew on the planet. The other side sees the reality that no matter what you give, the fact is that the agenda of the other side is the total destruction of the Jewish state - not much room to go soft and weak.
On the US, the munitions they make in a month are being fired in 3 days by the Ukrainians. If the Russia / Ukraine war has highlighted anything, it's the soft underbelly of the USA. Yes they are more technically advanced than their opponents, and probably by a lot more than we even know, but they have lost so much of their manufacturing base that they can't even get close to keeping supply of the European war, let alone another in the middle east. This isn't something they can turn on over night either, unlike WW2.
Don't get me wrong, Blackrock, Vanguard and State Street will all be rubbing their hands together, which is why you have so many war mongers within the US Senate. Senators from both sides of the house rely on campaign funds from the largest companies, all majoritavely owned by those 3 large asset managers, so they are all for war.
This is where you have the tail wagging the dog. Those in the know within the US military are not the ones making the decisions. It's stupid politicians egged on by their doners, so what's good for the US, or what the US is capable of are the last things on the minds of these guys. Elizabeth Warren (D) is probably th e biggest war monger in the house. She wants to bomb everyone all of the time, but then listen to the words of Lindsey Graham (R) when he gave his analysis of the Ukranian war something like this :
"The Ukranian war is only 5% of our military budget, and look how many Russians we've managed to kill without the loss of one US soldier. It's the best money we ever spent"!
So is that why the US and he UK vettoe'd the peace talks set up by Turkey at the start of the confict? To kill as many young Russian men as possible? Well The Ukraine is out of fighting men, and about 2 weeks ago passed legislation ordering all women between the ages of 18 and 60 to report for duty. So Lindsey Grahan is gloating over the meat grinder that has chewed through a generation of Ukranians and also thousands of Russians. Good for you Lindsey, how about you go to the front line!
The whole issue for Russia is a military alliance getting right up to their border. Putin achieved his objective very early on, which was to get the Ukranians to the negotiation table over the whole NATO thing. It's much the same as the Cuban missile crisis for the US many decades ago. But these talks were stopped by the US. Why would they do that?
Propbably the same reason they had their puppet Zelensky up the bombing campaign of the Russian speaking Ukranian provinces a few month s before Putin moved troops to the border. It's not the first time the US has destabalised a region just so they can come in on thier white horses. In fact the IMF were getting a bit itchy about the money going into these campaigns at the time.
The person who has shown most control is Probably Putin, who hasn't advanced the front much beyond these Russian speaking provinces. In fact, that is apparently the main reason the Wagner Group marched on Moscow, and there are generals in the ranks that are far more hawkish about the conflict than Putin.
You have to be really careful what you listen to with our own media. An example is the innitial stories of Russia blowing up the Norstream pipeline. 14 billion in inferstructure gone! And they did it themsleves when they control the spigot. I can't believe they even tried to give us that story. Our media also hides the Nazi problem lurking within the Ukraine, laughing at Putin when he mentions it. There are documentaries from 6 to 8 years ago that go into this in detail. In fact Zelensky paraded a 93 year old full on SS Nazi in front of the Canadian parliament who all gave him a standing ovation. Now they are in damage control mode, after sharp eyed 90 odd year old Jews reccognised the man they were calling a hero. Poland is now trying to have him extradited so they can try him for war crimes.
I was talking to a former colleage from the March Airfoce base fairly recently and he mentioned a conversation he had with a strategic analysist who does a lot of training of people they earmark as possible future generals for the US military. This instructor / analysist mentioned that he'd told this class (i think about 14 people) of the happenings in the Ukraine and why Russia was going so well, and the US backed Ukranians so poorly. None of them seemed aware that the west was getting their (_(_)'s handed to them. One lady apparently came to him at the end of the course, which apparently only goes a week or so and asked where he got his information.
The thing that hit this guys was that these people in this class are already pretty high up in the military, and only know what the propoganda machine is feeding them. He found that rather scary.
As a foot note, i just want to make clear i wasn't at the March Airforce base as a pilot or anything as glamerous as that. I was 17 just on 18 yrs old, and got a job there as a fitness co-ordinator. A contact got me the job so i could stay within driving distance of LA as there was something there i was trying to sort out. It's many decades back now (the 80's) but i met some amazing people.
Heard the saying "It was the best of himes, it was the worst of times"? That's how i'd describe that year.
Exactly. Well said.
Unfortunately some on here label anyone who questions things as 'conspiracy theorists'.
Hamas are *smile*.. but we should never lose sight of what has happened in that part of the world for many years
Again, no one is defending what happened on October 7, it was brutality and murder. However the world cannot continue to turn a blind eye to the persecution of Palestinians. Don’t believe me, listen to this guy.
Again, no one is defending what happened on October 7, it was brutality and murder. However the world cannot continue to turn a blind eye to the persecution of Palestinians. Don’t believe me, listen to this guy.
I don't subscribe to these conspiracy theories either. However I am not sure why that precludes posting on this board and topic which is much broader than that
Its not sus at all. They got complacent, got slack. Plenty of high level intelligence warned them that it was happening but to no avail.
A lot of conspiracy theories rest on the false premise that powerful regimes with high tech are infallible. When you actually scrutinise history, its ridiculous. Just like 911, the longer that not much happens, the slacker people, and systems, get. When everyones minds are focussed with clear priorities amazing things can be achieved, and the flipside is when things are drifting, amazing stuff-ups can happen.
Who could forget the Chaser comedians being waved through the alleged tightest security in the world at APEC pretending to be the Canadian delegation?
Harry is a tinfoil-hatted conspiracist, he also believes Putin was lured into Ukraine via the evil US war machine
Whatever Ant. What this conflict further highlights is the "leaders of the free world" don't really give a *smile* about sovereignty, illegal occupation, war crimes and human rights but merely pay lip service or act whenever it suits. Where's the condemnation? Sending a few humanitarian trucks across the border when all of Gaza is flattened won't change the fact that you've aided and abetted these atrocities
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Oh I've been pro-Palestine for decades dude, it's just your weak-minded kneejerk Youtube-sourced conspiracy theories that I find laughable.
Christopher Hitchens on Israel - Palestine is more my bag but you stick with Infowars bro, everyone finds the level of content that suits their intellect.
I am not a consipracy theorist at all but I am also questioning how this happened so "easily".
I miss his take on most things. What a fascinating character he was.
Undetected? No. Responded to inadequately? Yes.
You are misrepresentng the facts and then conflating them with conspiracy - a common technique of conspirasists but this proves nothing about causality.
There was a gross failure by the IDF, Mossad and Shin Bet, along with the US Dept of State. The reasons are complex - running down of state institutions by Netanyahu, over-reliance on technology and automation, a subsequent dilution of military strength on the ground, two or more years of disciplined probing of border defences by Hamas advised by Iranian specialists, etc etc. The last point can't be over-emphasised - this operation has been planned for years and required atypical discipline on the part of Hamas to execute.
Bibi - as Israel's version of Trump - has been deliberately weakening and corrupting state institutions including the police, security and Justice divisions as like Trump he is facing significant criminal prosecution so a shift away from democracy and stability suits him. Now he will pay the price.
If you think this was a deliberate ploy by the Israeli war machine, consider that Bibi will be gone in a year and there will be hell to pay for senior figures who are judged to have been negligent.
Will the Israeli hardliners use this to crush Hamas and inflict more harm on Palestinian citizens? Absolutely they will.
It's easy to fall for conspiracy theories when you have only a dim understanding of the realities, so run off back to YouTube for some more content Hazza.
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