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I woke up this morning and read on twitter about the hospital and wanted to throw up. This world is so *smile*

My Jewish grandmother would be turning in her grave at this criminality.
According to israel it was a misfiring Hamas rocket.

“Misfiring rockets” seem to cause a lot of damage over there. It seems every time there is some sort of major damage and death to civilians in the occupied territories it is a Hamas misfiring rocket.
 
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Nothing is ever Israel’s fault. Not the blowing up of hospitals in Gaza, the illegal expansion of settlements, the ghetto of East Jerusalem, the minimising of rights of Arab Israeli citizens, the blockades of Gaza and the West Bank, the control and sometimes denial of water and power to the Palestinian Territories ….none of it is their fault. It’s all because of Hamas. Israel is perfect

Hamas is *smile* but when you start talking about blame and sides it is not a discussion that is that simple.
Nothing has changed since Moses crossed the Red Sea but in todays society the Hamas incursion is having a more deadly affect due to the weapons at hand. Some one is making a big buck out of it.
 
According to israel it was a misfiring Hamas rocket.

“Misfiring rockets” seem to cause a lot of damage over there. It seems every time there is some sort of major damage and death to civilians in the occupied territories it is a Hamas misfiring rocket.

To be fair the BBC (who have come in for some flack for refusing to call Hamas terrorists because it would appear to push a political agenda), have done some research on the hospital bombing and all indications do point towards a misfiring rocket this time, the eyewitness accounts corroborate it. The thing is, what would Israel gain out of bombing a hospital, the answer is nothing in this case.

I agree with all your points on both Hamas and Israel but I do tend to think that this hospital bombing wasn't as a result of an Israeli air strike. Would the misfiring rocket have taken out the hospital if Israel weren't invading? Well thats a different question entirely.
 
To be fair the BBC (who have come in for some flack for refusing to call Hamas terrorists because it would appear to push a political agenda), have done some research on the hospital bombing and all indications do point towards a misfiring rocket this time, the eyewitness accounts corroborate it. The thing is, what would Israel gain out of bombing a hospital, the answer is nothing in this case.

I agree with all your points on both Hamas and Israel but I do tend to think that this hospital bombing wasn't as a result of an Israeli air strike. Would the misfiring rocket have taken out the hospital if Israel weren't invading? Well thats a different question entirely.
It may be but they have done it before.

The UN is now saying that 14 of their staff have been killed in Israeli bombing .
 
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To be fair the BBC (who have come in for some flack for refusing to call Hamas terrorists because it would appear to push a political agenda), have done some research on the hospital bombing and all indications do point towards a misfiring rocket this time, the eyewitness accounts corroborate it. The thing is, what would Israel gain out of bombing a hospital, the answer is nothing in this case.

I agree with all your points on both Hamas and Israel but I do tend to think that this hospital bombing wasn't as a result of an Israeli air strike. Would the misfiring rocket have taken out the hospital if Israel weren't invading? Well thats a different question entirely.
Hamas are a proscribed terrorist group in the U.K., so calling them terrorists is just stating a fact.

The hospital wasn't taken out. The carpark was hit and a few windows broken apparently. Trouble is that the carpark of the hospital was somewhat of a safe haven for civilians. An unfortunate irony to say the least.
 
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Hamas leader Ismael Haniyeh operates out of Doha Qatar. He must have known Israel would " not turn the other cheek " to his belligerent incursion . Options for Israel was to wipe out Hamas from Gaza by force or complain to the United Nations. Israel chose the the first option & for Haniyeh his own people are now in a diabolical situation . So who is to blame ?.

Is this also Hamas's fault?

 
I wonder if this was a 'misfired' Israeli missile. I feel sickened by this

 
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It's all going to plan for Israel. They allowed Hamas in and sacrificed innocent people for the greater good of Israel.
 
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It's all going to plan for Israel. They allowed Hamas in and sacrificed innocent people for the greater good of Israel.
Considering that Israel has been getting peace agreements signed up with a whole bunch of middle east countries in the last year or two. How the *smile* is it good for Israel that all of a sudden every muslim person in the whole world is now totally pissed off at them???
 
It's all going to plan for Israel. They allowed Hamas in and sacrificed innocent people for the greater good of Israel.
Is this for real? Or is this an effort at sarcasm?

This is why I have resisted posting in this topic ... there is a tendency toward uninformed and unhelpful conspiracy.

If this comment is made for real, it needs to be dispelled.

The Israeli - Palestinian Conflict is arguably the most complex and enduring international disputes of the past 75 years. Both sides have regularly missed opportunities to take opportunities for resolution.

As TM suggests, its somewhat curious (and no coincidence) that Hamas sent militants to conduct wholesale slaughter and kidnapping of civilians (including women and children) in Israel two weekends ago when there had been significant moves afoot to normalise relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia (among other Arab states). Those actions (the Hamas' attacks - which had never been carried out in such scale previously) made it inevitable that Israel would respond by trying to destroy Hamas. However, Hamas is imbedded in the civilian population in Gaza. So, there is now a wholesale slaughter of innocent Palestinians (including women and children) in Gaza. Israel can never totally destroy Hamas. Ironically, the Israeli response just creates a new generation of Hamas militants. The Israelis can never quell Palestinian resistance unless and until there is a separate Palestinian state. So, the cycle of destruction, misery and hopelessness continues. Hopeless, because none of this gets anyone closer to security for the Israelis and a homeland for the Palestinians.

So who benefits from this? Not the Israelis. Not the Palestinians. It is a depressing, unmitigated tragedy for all.
 
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It's all going to plan for Israel. They allowed Hamas in and sacrificed innocent people for the greater good of Israel.

Yeah, don't think that is the case.

Hamas on the other hand have made Palestine/Israel the major issue in the world at the moment. We are now hearing stories of settlers throwing Palestinians off their land in the West Bank, something which has been ignored for years. These stories just haven't been in the media despite this going on for ages. For all the price that Hamas will pay for their actions, they have focussed the world's attention on the plight of Palestinians. Doesn't make the Hamas attack morally defensible at all, but you do have to ask how else they could have garnered this attention.

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