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MD Jazz said:
Stronger? They will simply create another generation of activists/terrorists and condemn their own population to live in a constant state of fear.

And, as DS suggests, the support for their "side" will be reduced further.
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I know it is a hard thing to do but to me the only way israel gets peace and a level of acceptance is through negotiation and a political solution.
Violent reprisal will as you say harden the opposition and create more desperation and future extremists.
I have discussed this with a few supporters of Israel and my question to them is what do you expect the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank to do?
The only answer i really got was “stop lobbing missiles into Israel”
I agree with that but it is not an answer. What do they expect Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank to do in the future? Should they just accept what is left of their land, accept illegal settlements, accept the Israeli control over their power and water? Accept that this is their future ?
 
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This Israeli government cannot be relied upon to tell the truth. Netanyahu was fighting for his political life a month ago, to him this conflict is his chance to cement his position.
There is a complete disregard for human life in this conflict, on both sides.
There were interviews on 7.30 last night and a couple of them were scary. The Israeli interviewed showed a scant regard for the value of the lives of Palestinian civilians and there was a grab from an interview in the Middle East with a Hamas official who was asked how many Palestinian lives cross the line and his answer was chilling, essentially quoting the number of Russian lives lost in the 2nd world war (millions) as an example of what may be necessary.
This is why Hamas is so dangerous, they don’t care about loss of life. When you put that together with an Israeli government who don’t really care how many Palestinians they kill it is horrific. Their definition of who is Hamas is very “liberal” as well. Look at the case of Mohamed el-Halabi as an example, the ex head of world vision in Gaza. This is not a moral government and not a government who tells the truth.
Hamas sees Palestinian lives as collateral damage to achieve a cause.
What a *smile* show this is.
 
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K3 said:
Probably why you never hear of him on main stream media...
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Also because he speaks in French. I'm sure he has great English too but the Anglosphere has its own experts.

The French had their share of colonialist disasters (North Africa, Indochina) but generally have a good take on these things. They completely rejected the US take on Iraq post 9/11 where Blair and good ol' Johnny Howard completely capitulated.
 
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Netanyahu is widely despised throughout Israel now for being corrupt, dismantling state institutions and bearing responsibilty for the current disastrous situation on the Israeli side.

He's completely prepared to sacrifice the hostages. This details how when he met the hostages' families he had a fake family member as a plant saying he would sacrifice his hostage son for victory.

Disgusting human..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1717588109565505813
 
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toothless said:
Why isnt this outraged/condemned worldwide?
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This is essentially a religious war. People can bang on about territory or land but it's religion that has driven this. And will continue to drive it. There will be no permnanent ceasefire or end to this.

It can only be eductaion that will reduce the reliance on religion for guidance or answers. And empowerment of women in the muslim world.

Until then death and destruction in the name of "god" will continue.
 
MD Jazz said:
This is essentially a religious war. People can bang on about territory or land but it's religion that has driven this. And will continue to drive it. There will be no permnanent ceasefire or end to this.

It can only be eductaion that will reduce the reliance on religion for guidance or answers. And empowerment of women in the muslim world.

Until then death and destruction in the name of "god" will continue.
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Its remarkable how quickly the Jewish community have forgotten what their people went through in WW2. If you went back 70 years as a time traveller and told someone that a religious war was occurring, I'd hazard a guess that the vast majority would put the Jews at the bottom of the list as aggressors.
 
MD Jazz said:
This is essentially a religious war. People can bang on about territory or land but it's religion that has driven this. And will continue to drive it. There will be no permnanent ceasefire or end to this.

It can only be eductaion that will reduce the reliance on religion for guidance or answers. And empowerment of women in the muslim world.

Until then death and destruction in the name of "god" will continue.
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I think I might disagree on this one. IMO it is all about Israel using this point in time to take as much Palestinian land as they can grab.

They will blah blah on about dog etc, but that feels like cover for their disgusting genocidal actions against the Palestinian people in their quest for expansion and appeasement of hardliner Jews who want all of "the promised land" to themselves.
 
mrposhman said:
Its remarkable how quickly the Jewish community have forgotten what their people went through in WW2. If you went back 70 years as a time traveller and told someone that a religious war was occurring, I'd hazard a guess that the vast majority would put the Jews at the bottom of the list as aggressors.
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70 years ago was after the 1948 war. You are probably right but it is more like 80 than 70 years ago as the 1948 war resulted in multiple massacres of civilians by both Jewish and Arab soldiers.

But I agree with you. My argument has always been that for a race that has been subject to so much discrimination and has been through the holocaust it is unfathomable to me that they could treat others in this way. The West Bank is essentially an occupation under what can only be described as an apartheid type condition.
 
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K3 said:
I think I might disagree on this one. IMO it is all about Israel using this point in time to take as much Palestinian land as they can grab.

They will blah blah on about dog etc, but that feels like cover for their disgusting genocidal actions against the Palestinian people in their quest for expansion and appeasement of hardliner Jews who want all of "the promised land" to themselves.
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How can you possibly disagree? Without Abraham and his sons this isn't happening.

Where does the concept of promised land come from?
 
MD Jazz said:
How can you possibly disagree? Without Abraham and his sons this isn't happening.

Where does the concept of promised land come from?
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I referring to this moment's war against Palestine. If there are ppl in the Israeli 'war cabinet' who aren't overly religious, I am sure they would still be pushing to go as hard as possible.
 
K3 said:
I referring to this moment's war against Palestine. If there are ppl in the Israeli 'war cabinet' who aren't overly religious, I am sure they would still be pushing to go as hard as possible.
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Everything that has to do with the Jewish state and the promised land has roots in religion and to that extent it is a religious conflict.
It is also different to other conflicts that involve Islamists because this is not about a "jihad against the infidels" like with ISIS, although there are some on both sides who try and paint it that way.
In a way every conflict that happens in the middle east is religious
 
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