Palestine and Israel

[Liverpool]

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well i do my best. and i object to being called racist. if being racist is treating people the way you expect to be treated yourself well hallelujah im a racist.
i base my above comments in a historical sence. history teaches us that christian and muslim have been at loggerheads since the inception of islam in 4 hundred and something ad. so i suppose this makes me an historical racist well so be it.
oh if you think it gibberish good on ya but all logic points to a confrontation at some point between east and west or if yopu like muslim christian.
heres one for ya claws crystal ball. in great britain in the next 40 50 yrs there will be civil war it will be for control of the country between muslim and christian.unless gb changes now it will probably be to late.

Totally agree...however you would have even been more accurate is you said Muslim.v.non-Muslim instead of Muslim.v.Christian.

We are dealing with a religion that sees itself as THE religion....non-Muslim = infidel....whether they are Christians, Jews, Hindu, Buddhist, etc....and why we see also Islamic extremism affecting countries like India and Thailand, where Christianity itself is only a minority religion yet Islam fundamentalism and arrogance still is apparent with violence also the main weapon in their push for global dominance.

Remember what Hamas said....(you know, that poor little victim group over there being bombarded by those dastardly Jews!):

"Tomorrow, our nation will sit on the throne of the world. This is not a figment of the imagination, but a fact. Tomorrow we will lead the world, Allah willing."
-Khalid al-Mish'al, leader of Hamas, Al-Jazeera TV, February 3, 2006

"She [Hamas suicide bomber Re'em Al-Riyashi] is not going to be the last because the march of resistance will continue until the Islamic flag is raised, not only over the minarets of Jerusalem, but over the whole universe."
-Dr. Mahmud Al-Zahar, Hamas leader in Gaza, Associated Press, January 15, 2004

 

[Tigers of Old]

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Totally agree...however you would have even been more accurate is you said Muslim.v.non-Muslim instead of Muslim.v.Christian.

Muslim extremist vs everybody else would be even more accurate.

 

[pahoffm]

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However, as Claw says,

Israel has has The Bomb for decades and never used it.

The encumbent President of Iran talks and infers of building the bomb and using immediately on Israel.

It is of great concern, not only to Israelis but everyone concerned with a nuclear war.

 

[the claw]

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Totally agree...however you would have even been more accurate is you said Muslim.v.non-Muslim instead of Muslim.v.Christian.

We are dealing with a religion that sees itself as THE religion....non-Muslim = infidel....whether they are Christians, Jews, Hindu, Buddhist, etc....and why we see also Islamic extremism affecting countries like India and Thailand, where Christianity itself is only a minority religion yet Islam fundamentalism and arrogance still is apparent with violence also the main weapon in their push for global dominance.

Remember what Hamas said....(you know, that poor little victim group over there being bombarded by those dastardly Jews!):

"Tomorrow, our nation will sit on the throne of the world. This is not a figment of the imagination, but a fact. Tomorrow we will lead the world, Allah willing."
-Khalid al-Mish'al, leader of Hamas, Al-Jazeera TV, February 3, 2006

"She [Hamas suicide bomber Re'em Al-Riyashi] is not going to be the last because the march of resistance will continue until the Islamic flag is raised, not only over the minarets of Jerusalem, but over the whole universe."
-Dr. Mahmud Al-Zahar, Hamas leader in Gaza, Associated Press, January 15, 2004

yeah your right.

i also think the people of palestine have bought a lot of this onto themselves. the people had a chance to elect a government that aim for peace instead they voted for a fanatical terrorist group hell bent on war. you reap what you sow. sooner or later if you keep on kicking the dog he will turn and bite the israelis dog has turned and bitten and who can blame him.

to my way of thinking the west yes the west europe russia americas any democratic country that has democratic processes as its fundamental political process including those countries in asia should all declare war on the middle east. rogue states like iran iraq syria etc should all be bought to heel. they should be shown by the rest of the world that we will not tolerate their behavior. they either become part of the world community or they cease to exist as they are now. the middle east puts the whole world at risk and i have no doubt that when they think they can win a global war they will strike out we had damn well better be prepared for it.

ya know i laugh at the fools of this world that call for the west to disarm. they are willing to risk that islam will not do what it openly states in its bible it must. thats convert the world to islam and rid the world of the infidel.

where do people get of insisting we lay ourselves open to subjgation. they ignore the nature of man and his entire history they want to live in utopia but utopia can never be reached. unfortunately thats the way it is. we should never ever let our guard down or leave ourselves open to fanatical conquest. we owe it to future generations of australians to ensure they enjoy the freedoms we today so glibly take for granted.protecting our way of life and our freedoms comes before all else including religion.

 

[Liverpool]

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Muslim extremist vs everybody else would be even more accurate.

There was a similar discussion on another thread about Muslims and Muslim extremists.....and that the push from the so-called 'moderate Muslims' to weed out their more extreme counterparts causing disdain towards their religion, is low to say the least.

A perfect recent example....all over the world in recent days we have seen mass protests:

Tens of thousands join London Gaza protest
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/10/gaza-london-protest-march

Report on Sunday's Free Gaza protest in Portland, one of hundreds held worldwide
http://www.imemc.org/article/58339

...with this being said:

Protesters chanted "stop killing children!" "Occupation is a crime, from Iraq to Palestine!" And "the media is lying, while Gazan kids are dying!" The demonstrators marched around the square several times during the 2 hours of protest. Many held homemade signs, some of which read, "Massacre in Gaza: Made in USA!" And "end US Support for Israel" and "ceasefire now."


Now tell me...how come we have not seen similar mass worldwide protests against Hamas and their continual rocket attacks into Israel that also kill children?
Why haven't we seen mass protests against a group that uses men, women, children, and the disabled for suicide attacks that kill children and other innocent people?
Why haven't we seen mass protests from the Islamic community in general to promote Islamic followers to weed out the extremists amongst them that are promoting hate and violence using their religion as a veil of reason?

Considering that more Muslims around the world died in 2008 from suicide attacks than American bombing or the latest Israeli attack on Gaza....then it just shows that this latest round of worldwide protests against Israel is simply seen as the 'new' "free tibet" (lets call if 'free Palestine') for the leftist organisations out there and another show of strength from the anti-USA lobby.

 

[Liverpool]

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However, as Claw says,
Israel has has The Bomb for decades and never used it.
The encumbent President of Iran talks and infers of building the bomb and using immediately on Israel.
It is of great concern, not only to Israelis but everyone concerned with a nuclear war.

ya know i laugh at the fools of this world that call for the west to disarm. they are willing to risk that islam will not do what it openly states in its bible it must. thats convert the world to islam and rid the world of the infidel.
where do people get of insisting we lay ourselves open to subjgation. they ignore the nature of man and his entire history they want to live in utopia but utopia can never be reached. unfortunately thats the way it is. we should never ever let our guard down or leave ourselves open to fanatical conquest. we owe it to future generations of australians to ensure they enjoy the freedoms we today so glibly take for granted.protecting our way of life and our freedoms comes before all else including religion.

Exactly gentlemen!

For whatever reason, people are more than happy to 'accept' terrorism....they simply out it down to a few extremists running around with a skewed view of the Koran, and thats it.

Terrorists behead victims and post them on the internet.....and it might make page 51 of The Age.
Americans detain subjects at Gitmo and you think the whole world is caving in.

Hamas rocket attack Israel.....not one iota of a protest.
Israel attacks back and we have worldwide condemnation.

The media and the protesters claim that Israel have attacked above and beyond what they have received.....but if you are shelled by rockets on a daily basis, what is a more 'reasonable' attack (defence)?
If Israel had only rocketed back would that have been tolerablein the worldwide communities eyes....?

As for nuclear weapons....yes, Israel have had it for years...the Americans have had it even longer...yet these two countries bear the brunt of bleeding hearts around the world.
I wonder what these people will be saying when their existence is left on a knife-edge when Iran is operational and al-Qaeda gets their hands on some of it?

And the same people would be crying foul if Israel pulled out of Gaza, handed over all the land to Palestine, and then Palestine became the new Afghanistan/Iran...a nation under sharia law where women are abused and children are enlisted into martyrdom to kill a few more of us infidels.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

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parents are both lebanese, i was born here so i may be a tad biased :fing32

Nah, just means you're more educated than most of us on the subject.

I had some Leb friends and of all the places I'd like to travel too, never really thought of it. Sounds nice, I'm a big fan of the "old world" locations in the world as opposed to the latest and most innovative. I'll have to keep it in mind now. One pic in particular you showed raised my interest. 8)

 

[Lidsand]

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Nah, just means you're more educated than most of us on the subject.

I had some Leb friends and of all the places I'd like to travel too, never really thought of it. Sounds nice, I'm a big fan of the "old world" locations in the world as opposed to the latest and most innovative. I'll have to keep it in mind now. One pic in particular you showed raised my interest. 8)

yeah, there are starbucks everywhere >

 

[Liverpool]

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yeah, there are starbucks everywhere >

One less now... :hihi

 

[Lidsand]

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One less now... :hihi

yeah, really funny livers, did you ever stop to think how many people may have died as a result of that explosion?

 

[Liverpool]

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yeah, really funny livers, did you ever stop to think how many people may have died as a result of that explosion?

No, because I didn't make or detonate the bomb.
So take your issue with this up with them, the protagonists and people trading in this type of violence.

 

[AngryAnt]

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No, because I didn't make or detonate the bomb.

So as long as you didn't make or detonate the bomb its funny. :

The axis of idiocy is operating to full effect in this thread.

 

[1eyedtiger]

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No, because I didn't make or detonate the bomb.
So take your issue with this up with them, the protagonists and people trading in this type of violence.

Was that the result of an Israeli attack Livers? If so, are you going to take it up with them that you deplore their type of violence?

 

[Lidsand]

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No, because I didn't make or detonate the bomb.
So take your issue with this up with them, the protagonists and people trading in this type of violence.

but you chose to trawl google images for an image with enough shock value and joked about it to get a response and even put a tacky smiley on the end chuckling.

your insensitivity astounds me

 

[Disco08]

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Pretty pathetic even for you Livers.

 

[the claw]

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sheesh what is wrong with people its wrong not to take the *smile*. as australians its what we do dark humour is very much a part of our psyche.sheesh i could see the humerous side to livvers post. bloody heel dogooders everywhere who cant laugh at events and more than likely incapable of laughing at themselves. its one of the problems with muslims they refuse to see hunour at take offense at any joke aimed at their religion. they are just way to full of themselves. when war happens people die why do we act so shocked when it happens. the casualties in gaza are minor when compared to most other conflicts imagine what would happen if the israelis declared open slather on all palestinians declared them all the enemy just like hamas and most fanatical muslim groups have done with israelis.

like i said kick the dog often enough and he will bite.

 

[1eyedtiger]

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sheesh what is wrong with people its wrong not to take the p!ss. as australians its what we do dark humour is very much a part of our psyche.sheesh i could see the humerous side to livvers post. bloody heel dogooders everywhere who cant laugh at events and more than likely incapable of laughing at themselves. its one of the problems with muslims they refuse to see hunour at take offense at any joke aimed at their religion. they are just way to full of themselves. when war happens people die why do we act so shocked when it happens. the casualties in gaza are minor when compared to most other conflicts imagine what would happen if the israelis declared open slather on all palestinians declared them all the enemy just like hamas and most fanatical muslim groups have done with israelis.

like i said kick the dog often enough and he will bite.

There are limits though and Livers crossed that line.

You shouldn't laugh at an event that causes misery, injury and death. Those who do are a disgrace to the human race.
When you die, the rest of us will make it funny somehow. Is that ok with you?

 

[Disco08]

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sheesh what is wrong with people its wrong not to take the p!ss. as australians its what we do dark humour is very much a part of our psyche.sheesh i could see the humerous side to livvers post. bloody heel dogooders everywhere who cant laugh at events and more than likely incapable of laughing at themselves. its one of the problems with muslims they refuse to see hunour at take offense at any joke aimed at their religion. they are just way to full of themselves. when war happens people die why do we act so shocked when it happens. the casualties in gaza are minor when compared to most other conflicts imagine what would happen if the israelis declared open slather on all palestinians declared them all the enemy just like hamas and most fanatical muslim groups have done with israelis.

like i said kick the dog often enough and he will bite.

Can you tell us exactly what humour you see in people dying in an explosion?

 

[the claw]

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There are limits though and Livers crossed that line.

You shouldn't laugh at an event that causes misery, injury and death. Those who do are a disgrace to the human race.
When you die, the rest of us will make it funny somehow. Is that ok with you?

it certainly is.

 

[the claw]

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Can you tell us exactly what humour you see in people dying in an explosion?

oh cmon mr precious livvers made a joke about a starbucks being blown up it was in relation to another post it was quite clever. i thiught so anyway.