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Re: Not Good News From Israel
Listen to all the bleeding hearts.... :hihi
I could have picked out any photo with an explosion but because you all jump to a conclusion that people died from this blast (well, did they?) and I have used an actual photo showing Beirut, then its 'crossed the line'.
Get real! :
Here's another one...didn't know whether this was Beirut (which it is apparently) or an artists representation of what the fans would have done to Punt Road if we didn't draft Cuz... ;D
And thought I'd throw this one in for good measure:
This cartoon was based upon the YouTube video that circulated a while back:
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-c6lbFGC4
And people are jumping on the bandwagon against what Israel are doing after this mob continually sends rockets their way.... :yellowno
LidsandCotch said:
antman said:So as long as you didn't make or detonate the bomb its funny. :
The axis of idiocy is operating to full effect in this thread.
1eyedtiger said:
Disco08 said:
1eyedtiger said:
Listen to all the bleeding hearts.... :hihi
I could have picked out any photo with an explosion but because you all jump to a conclusion that people died from this blast (well, did they?) and I have used an actual photo showing Beirut, then its 'crossed the line'.
Get real! :
Here's another one...didn't know whether this was Beirut (which it is apparently) or an artists representation of what the fans would have done to Punt Road if we didn't draft Cuz... ;D
And thought I'd throw this one in for good measure
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This cartoon was based upon the YouTube video that circulated a while back:
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-c6lbFGC4
And people are jumping on the bandwagon against what Israel are doing after this mob continually sends rockets their way.... :yellowno
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Not at all....I'd do it again and don't take a step back from my comments either.
So what do you think of Hamas' version of the Mickey Mouse Club?
Not seeing many mass protests around the globe denouncing this type of behaviour.... :-X
antman said:
Not at all....I'd do it again and don't take a step back from my comments either.
So what do you think of Hamas' version of the Mickey Mouse Club?
Not seeing many mass protests around the globe denouncing this type of behaviour.... :-X
Re: Not Good News From Israel
:cutelaugh...true.
I guess this forum is a good example.....we've had every Tom, *smile*, and Harry bagging Israel and their latest military response as some sort of reason or justification for the poor victims in all this (Hamas) committing acts of violence.
We have protests around the world for Palestinian children being killed by those big bad Jews.......yet the silence is so deafening I can't hear a *smile* pin drop when things like:
* Hamas using Mickey Mouse as a method to promote martyrdom to children
* The future members of Hamas
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8
* Hamas rejecting a ceasefire now
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20090110.GAZAMAIN10/TPStory/International
* Hamas launches webzine for kids
Journal praises martyrs, encourages children to follow example
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29535
* Hamas using children, women, and the elderly as human shields
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y
Yeah...the silence is deafening.....but I guess protesting against a minorityterrorist group like Hamas isn't the political correct and 'cool' thing to do, is it? :-X
Freezer said:
:cutelaugh...true.
I guess this forum is a good example.....we've had every Tom, *smile*, and Harry bagging Israel and their latest military response as some sort of reason or justification for the poor victims in all this (Hamas) committing acts of violence.
We have protests around the world for Palestinian children being killed by those big bad Jews.......yet the silence is so deafening I can't hear a *smile* pin drop when things like:
* Hamas using Mickey Mouse as a method to promote martyrdom to children
* The future members of Hamas
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8
* Hamas rejecting a ceasefire now
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20090110.GAZAMAIN10/TPStory/International
* Hamas launches webzine for kids
Journal praises martyrs, encourages children to follow example
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29535
* Hamas using children, women, and the elderly as human shields
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y
Yeah...the silence is deafening.....but I guess protesting against a minority
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So you don't take a step back from your joke, then weak attempt to point the figure at others, then back to full-throttle attack again.
As I said, profound confusion. :
Why don't you start a protest? Oh, that's right, you do your campaigning exclusively on Punt Road End. :
You criticise others for taking a stand on a particular issue but don't have the balls to do anything about anything yourself.
Liverpool said:
So you don't take a step back from your joke, then weak attempt to point the figure at others, then back to full-throttle attack again.
As I said, profound confusion. :
Why don't you start a protest? Oh, that's right, you do your campaigning exclusively on Punt Road End. :
You criticise others for taking a stand on a particular issue but don't have the balls to do anything about anything yourself.
Re: Not Good News From Israel
Very disturbing the picture at the bottom of page 19, in today's HUN.
"Clean the earth from dirty Zionists." With a blue Jewish Star atop.
Not sure if its the balding fellow pictured who is holding the sign, ot the hooded women that we can partially see in front.
Hope he/she realises that you don't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist.
And that the blue star is a symbol to all Jews, not just Israelis.
But since it is a protest in Melbourne, that would be known.
Well, the inference of his/her message is clear. Death to all Jews.
I could be wrong, but that seems to me the intention of the sign.
No mercy to us, but they cry & squeal to the UN about receiving mercy from us.
Ha!
Seen the same thing for years.
The empathy declines after a while.
The heart hardens.
I'm not a Christian.
I don't have to forgive.
Very disturbing the picture at the bottom of page 19, in today's HUN.
"Clean the earth from dirty Zionists." With a blue Jewish Star atop.
Not sure if its the balding fellow pictured who is holding the sign, ot the hooded women that we can partially see in front.
Hope he/she realises that you don't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist.
And that the blue star is a symbol to all Jews, not just Israelis.
But since it is a protest in Melbourne, that would be known.
Well, the inference of his/her message is clear. Death to all Jews.
I could be wrong, but that seems to me the intention of the sign.
No mercy to us, but they cry & squeal to the UN about receiving mercy from us.
Ha!
Seen the same thing for years.
The empathy declines after a while.
The heart hardens.
I'm not a Christian.
I don't have to forgive.
Re: Not Good News From Israel
I'm, not criticising others for 'taking a stand'....I'm criticising others for their blatant hypocrisy and double standards.
For example:
Lebanese protesters, hold dolls representing the Palestinian children killed during a demonstration held by leftist groups to protest against the Israel's ground attack on the Gaza Strip, in Beirut, Lebanon, Sunday Jan. 11, 2009
Yet why aren't these people protesting against Hamas using children as human shields around weapons stockpiles and training them in guerilla warfare, as well as suicide bombing?
And this:
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8
So I ask you Antman....is the 'taking the stand' against abuse/violence towards women and children?
If this is the case then I should be seeing equally strong posts condemning Hamas as I have read against Israel.....and I should be seeing/hearing global condemnation and worldwide protests against Hamas' use of their own children.
Quite clearly, I am not.
If the 'taking a stand' is purely another left-wing anti-USA/Israel popularity protest, which I am most sure it is, then I have every right to criticise these people protesting under false pretenses and using the latest conflict to push their personal political agendas under the guise of "protecting children and civilians".
antman said:Why don't you start a protest? Oh, that's right, you do your campaigning exclusively on Punt Road End. :
You criticise others for taking a stand on a particular issue but don't have the balls to do anything about anything yourself.
I'm, not criticising others for 'taking a stand'....I'm criticising others for their blatant hypocrisy and double standards.
For example:
Lebanese protesters, hold dolls representing the Palestinian children killed during a demonstration held by leftist groups to protest against the Israel's ground attack on the Gaza Strip, in Beirut, Lebanon, Sunday Jan. 11, 2009
Yet why aren't these people protesting against Hamas using children as human shields around weapons stockpiles and training them in guerilla warfare, as well as suicide bombing?
And this:
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8
So I ask you Antman....is the 'taking the stand' against abuse/violence towards women and children?
If this is the case then I should be seeing equally strong posts condemning Hamas as I have read against Israel.....and I should be seeing/hearing global condemnation and worldwide protests against Hamas' use of their own children.
Quite clearly, I am not.
If the 'taking a stand' is purely another left-wing anti-USA/Israel popularity protest, which I am most sure it is, then I have every right to criticise these people protesting under false pretenses and using the latest conflict to push their personal political agendas under the guise of "protecting children and civilians".
Re: Not Good News From Israel
Oh God, another Pool essay.
Ok then - in that case where is your own condemnation of the slaughter of innocent Palestinian and Lebanese civilians if you claim others are not even handed? Nowhere - instead you choose to make jokes about bombings in Beirut. Try addressing your own hypocrisy and double standards first.
For some people it is, most definitely. Just as your stance is most assuredly a pro-Israel/pro-US foreign policy stance because that's your own political barrow. Pot, kettle, black.
Liverpool said:
Oh God, another Pool essay.
Ok then - in that case where is your own condemnation of the slaughter of innocent Palestinian and Lebanese civilians if you claim others are not even handed? Nowhere - instead you choose to make jokes about bombings in Beirut. Try addressing your own hypocrisy and double standards first.
For some people it is, most definitely. Just as your stance is most assuredly a pro-Israel/pro-US foreign policy stance because that's your own political barrow. Pot, kettle, black.
Re: Not Good News From Israel
What hypocrisy is that Antman?
I made a joke showing a bomb blast in Beirut....whoopee-doo! :
And I am not preaching even-handedness because I hope Israel keep going all the way now and wipe Hamas out, if that is possible.
Unlike 'people' who claim even-handedness, sit on a fence, under a veil of "protecting the children, human rights, etc" but then going ahead and picking and choosing which humans and children they want to protest for because it is the latest 'cool' protest being spoken about on www.lefty-and-antiUSA.com
No, like I said...the difference is I say who I am aligning with.
Others claim they are taking the middle ground, aren't taking sides, only care for the children, etc :blah when their posts or views are clearly to the contrary.
If these people came out and said, "I support the Palestinians and I'm on the side of Hamas", then no problems.
If they are genuinely concerned for children of both sides, then come out and condemn Israel as well as what Hamas do with their children to help the casualty rate of children rise during conflict.
antman said:Ok then - in that case where is your own condemnation of the slaughter of innocent Palestinian and Lebanese civilians if you claim others are not even handed? Nowhere - instead you choose to make jokes about bombings in Beirut. Try addressing your own hypocrisy and double standards first.
What hypocrisy is that Antman?
I made a joke showing a bomb blast in Beirut....whoopee-doo! :
And I am not preaching even-handedness because I hope Israel keep going all the way now and wipe Hamas out, if that is possible.
Unlike 'people' who claim even-handedness, sit on a fence, under a veil of "protecting the children, human rights, etc" but then going ahead and picking and choosing which humans and children they want to protest for because it is the latest 'cool' protest being spoken about on www.lefty-and-antiUSA.com
antman said:For some people it is, most definitely. Just as your stance is most assuredly a pro-Israel/pro-US foreign policy stance because that's your own political barrow. Pot, kettle, black.
No, like I said...the difference is I say who I am aligning with.
Others claim they are taking the middle ground, aren't taking sides, only care for the children, etc :blah when their posts or views are clearly to the contrary.
If these people came out and said, "I support the Palestinians and I'm on the side of Hamas", then no problems.
If they are genuinely concerned for children of both sides, then come out and condemn Israel as well as what Hamas do with their children to help the casualty rate of children rise during conflict.
Re: Not Good News From Israel
Livers,
You can call me ableeding heart if you wish. In the context of the current discussion and your dodgy addition of an image of an explosion, you can't blame us if we thought that image was captured in the current conflict. Given the size of the explosion, you can't blame me if I thought that that explosion was the result of an Isreali attack on the Palestinian people. I didn't assume anything, in fact, I asked you if it was.
All I ask is that Isreal withdraws to it's own land and that includes moving it's own people and their wall. They agreed to the lines on the map when Isreal was created and they should stick to it. The fact they haven't and have been ever since provoking the Palistinians by stealing land outside of Israel's borders says something. You say land isn't everything. Maybe so, but if your neighbour decided to rebuild the fence 5 metres into your land, I bet you wouldn't take it lying down. What if your neighbour then decided to restrict your movements in and out of your own property and restricted deliveries of food, water and other vital services?
Livers, if you back someone into a corner, they are going to fight to the bitter end using whatever means they have at their disposal. If Hamas had the same fire power as Isreal, then Isreal would have been sent back to their own country years ago with their tails between their legs.
If Isreal repects it's own borders and Hamas still insists of fighting with them, then maybe Isreal will have more sympathy. Until they do, they get nothing from me.
I think you fail to understand that everyone needs their place in this world. The Jews used this argument to get Israel in the first place. What would you prefer, the Palistinians get a place of their own without Isreal stealing whatever they can get their greedy hands onto or a bunch of refugees in Australia?
Livers,
You can call me ableeding heart if you wish. In the context of the current discussion and your dodgy addition of an image of an explosion, you can't blame us if we thought that image was captured in the current conflict. Given the size of the explosion, you can't blame me if I thought that that explosion was the result of an Isreali attack on the Palestinian people. I didn't assume anything, in fact, I asked you if it was.
All I ask is that Isreal withdraws to it's own land and that includes moving it's own people and their wall. They agreed to the lines on the map when Isreal was created and they should stick to it. The fact they haven't and have been ever since provoking the Palistinians by stealing land outside of Israel's borders says something. You say land isn't everything. Maybe so, but if your neighbour decided to rebuild the fence 5 metres into your land, I bet you wouldn't take it lying down. What if your neighbour then decided to restrict your movements in and out of your own property and restricted deliveries of food, water and other vital services?
Livers, if you back someone into a corner, they are going to fight to the bitter end using whatever means they have at their disposal. If Hamas had the same fire power as Isreal, then Isreal would have been sent back to their own country years ago with their tails between their legs.
If Isreal repects it's own borders and Hamas still insists of fighting with them, then maybe Isreal will have more sympathy. Until they do, they get nothing from me.
I think you fail to understand that everyone needs their place in this world. The Jews used this argument to get Israel in the first place. What would you prefer, the Palistinians get a place of their own without Isreal stealing whatever they can get their greedy hands onto or a bunch of refugees in Australia?
Re: Not Good News From Israel
its as plain as the nose on your face yet dogooders only see one side i dont begrude any country the right to defend itself. i have no doubt that once the israelis cut short the threat to it it will once again pull out of gaza imo they have every right to stay and claim it as spoils of war.
sheesh talk about head in the sand. in every single conflict the israelis have had to deal with they have ultimately pulled out of taken territory.to their own detriment. they have repeatedly said to stop this current little skirmish hamas only has to stop shelling israel. ya know what if someone bombed australia i would consider it an act of war hamas has in effect declared war i say let it run its course and the winner takes control. the silly thing is israel has always recognised gaza as the palestinians they dont dispute it and make no claim over the land. what they are asking is the palestinians stop useing gaza as a launching pad for war.1eyedtiger said:
its as plain as the nose on your face yet dogooders only see one side i dont begrude any country the right to defend itself. i have no doubt that once the israelis cut short the threat to it it will once again pull out of gaza imo they have every right to stay and claim it as spoils of war.
Re: Not Good News From Israel
another question what do you expect the israelis to do when negotiation breaks down sit on their hands and continue to let the vicious dirty radicals to bomb them.
the japanese bombed pearl harbour in 1941 it was an act of war whats the difference when hamas the governing body bombs israel.
well antman what is your stance on hamas bombing israel.i dont see you condemning them for these actions.antman said:Oh God, another Pool essay.
Ok then - in that case where is your own condemnation of the slaughter of innocent Palestinian and Lebanese civilians if you claim others are not even handed? Nowhere - instead you choose to make jokes about bombings in Beirut. Try addressing your own hypocrisy and double standards first.
For some people it is, most definitely. Just as your stance is most assuredly a pro-Israel/pro-US foreign policy stance because that's your own political barrow. Pot, kettle, black.
another question what do you expect the israelis to do when negotiation breaks down sit on their hands and continue to let the vicious dirty radicals to bomb them.
the japanese bombed pearl harbour in 1941 it was an act of war whats the difference when hamas the governing body bombs israel.
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And if Australia started claiming land in other countries I'd expect a reprisal too. If Israel wants to stop being attacked, it only has to withdraw back to it's agreed borders and stop restraining trade. Since Israel has now banned international media in Gaza, it is safe to assume that they control the media in that region. Therefore, what you see is what they want you to see.
What do you have to say about the wall the Israeli's are building OUTSIDE their own country?
Whilst you talk about countries right to defend themselves, you obviously fail to recognise Palistine's right to defend their land from Israeli occupation.
All I'm asking is that both sides respect each other's borders as agreed when Israel was created and work from there.
Is that too much to ask?
That way at least, the Israeli's have a case if Hamas keeps bombing them. Do you fail to see my point? Whilst they insist on having Jewsish settlements and walls outside their own territory, then tough luck.
the claw said:
And if Australia started claiming land in other countries I'd expect a reprisal too. If Israel wants to stop being attacked, it only has to withdraw back to it's agreed borders and stop restraining trade. Since Israel has now banned international media in Gaza, it is safe to assume that they control the media in that region. Therefore, what you see is what they want you to see.
What do you have to say about the wall the Israeli's are building OUTSIDE their own country?
Whilst you talk about countries right to defend themselves, you obviously fail to recognise Palistine's right to defend their land from Israeli occupation.
All I'm asking is that both sides respect each other's borders as agreed when Israel was created and work from there.
Is that too much to ask?
That way at least, the Israeli's have a case if Hamas keeps bombing them. Do you fail to see my point? Whilst they insist on having Jewsish settlements and walls outside their own territory, then tough luck.
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