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From the ABC:
Hezbollah hint
Israel has questioned the circumstances of the bombing in Qana, hinting the explosion could have been caused by Hezbollah explosives hidden in the building.
A senior Air Force officer has questioned the timing of the blast.
Amir Eshel told Israeli television that Israeli fighter jets targeted the area between midnight and 1:00am local time.
The first reports of casualties came in several hours later.
He says the targets were nearby buildings and were all hit by precision bombs.
The officer says Hezbollah explosives might be to blame for the deaths
also:
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert expressed sorrow about the deaths, most of them children, but he said rocket attacks on Israel came from the area.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200607/s1700980.htm
But of course, Hezbollah don't use human shields....don't have rocket-launchers surrounded by civilian populations, or use schools/hospitals/houses as storage for their arms and explosives, do they?
What basis would Israel have, for bombing 57 civilians, many of them children...knowing full well that such an attack would turn more people, including their allies, against them?
Logic people...logic! :
Its like I said yesterday:
LidsandBling said:
From the ABC:
Hezbollah hint
Israel has questioned the circumstances of the bombing in Qana, hinting the explosion could have been caused by Hezbollah explosives hidden in the building.
A senior Air Force officer has questioned the timing of the blast.
Amir Eshel told Israeli television that Israeli fighter jets targeted the area between midnight and 1:00am local time.
The first reports of casualties came in several hours later.
He says the targets were nearby buildings and were all hit by precision bombs.
The officer says Hezbollah explosives might be to blame for the deaths
also:
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert expressed sorrow about the deaths, most of them children, but he said rocket attacks on Israel came from the area.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200607/s1700980.htm
But of course, Hezbollah don't use human shields....don't have rocket-launchers surrounded by civilian populations, or use schools/hospitals/houses as storage for their arms and explosives, do they?
What basis would Israel have, for bombing 57 civilians, many of them children...knowing full well that such an attack would turn more people, including their allies, against them?
Logic people...logic! :
Its like I said yesterday:
Liverpool said:
Re: Not Good News From Israel
Also, add to that the return of the 3 kidnapped Israeli soldiers - ALIVE.
In respect of the Golan Heights, I would only be prepared to concede it if it was totally depopulated and placed completely under UN control.
Phantom said:
Also, add to that the return of the 3 kidnapped Israeli soldiers - ALIVE.
In respect of the Golan Heights, I would only be prepared to concede it if it was totally depopulated and placed completely under UN control.
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Qana was engulfed in Israeli-Hezbollah conflict in 1996
By Dion Nissenbaum
McClatchy Newspapers
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/15159844.htm
JERUSALEM - In the annals of the Middle East, certain sites carry symbolic and emotional import far beyond their geographic boundaries. One of them is Qana, the small Lebanese town now reeling from Sunday's deadly Israeli airstrike.
Ten years ago, Qana was the scene of another major tragedy, when Israel shelled a United Nations compound, killing 100 Lebanese civilians who'd sought shelter there.
Then, as now, Israel expressed its regret over the attack, but placed most of the blame on Hezbollah for using civilian area to fire its rockets. Israel said shelling the U.N. compound had been caused by "incorrect targeting based on erroneous data."
The attack, however, became a rallying cry for international outrage over the Israeli operation and a catalyst for cease-fire talks under the auspices of then-U.S. Secretary of State Warren Christopher. That agreement barred Hezbollah from firing rockets into northern Israel or using civilian areas as launching pads. In exchange, Israel agreed not to fire at civilian targets in Lebanon.
But the deal fell short of meeting Israel's initial demand for the disarmament of Hezbollah. After the cease-fire was announced, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah claimed that his group had been strengthened by the conflict.
The shelling came during an Israeli campaign dubbed "Operation Grapes of Wrath," which Israel launched April 11, 1996, in an attempt to stop Hezbollah from firing Katyusha rockets into northern Israel.
A week into the campaign, on April 18, the Israeli military launched an operation against Hezbollah in Qana, where nearly 800 refugees from southern Lebanon had taken shelter in a U.N. compound.
After Hezbollah militants fired two Katyusha rockets from areas very near the U.N. compound, Israel responded with an artillery barrage. More than a dozen shells hit the compound.
It was nine days later that Israel, Lebanon and Syria agreed to a cease-fire. Over the entire 16-day Israeli operation, about 150 people were killed in Lebanon - with most of them dying in the Qana shelling. Hezbollah fired more than 600 Katyusha rockets into Israel, but no one was killed.
Qana was engulfed in Israeli-Hezbollah conflict in 1996
By Dion Nissenbaum
McClatchy Newspapers
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/15159844.htm
JERUSALEM - In the annals of the Middle East, certain sites carry symbolic and emotional import far beyond their geographic boundaries. One of them is Qana, the small Lebanese town now reeling from Sunday's deadly Israeli airstrike.
Ten years ago, Qana was the scene of another major tragedy, when Israel shelled a United Nations compound, killing 100 Lebanese civilians who'd sought shelter there.
Then, as now, Israel expressed its regret over the attack, but placed most of the blame on Hezbollah for using civilian area to fire its rockets. Israel said shelling the U.N. compound had been caused by "incorrect targeting based on erroneous data."
The attack, however, became a rallying cry for international outrage over the Israeli operation and a catalyst for cease-fire talks under the auspices of then-U.S. Secretary of State Warren Christopher. That agreement barred Hezbollah from firing rockets into northern Israel or using civilian areas as launching pads. In exchange, Israel agreed not to fire at civilian targets in Lebanon.
But the deal fell short of meeting Israel's initial demand for the disarmament of Hezbollah. After the cease-fire was announced, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah claimed that his group had been strengthened by the conflict.
The shelling came during an Israeli campaign dubbed "Operation Grapes of Wrath," which Israel launched April 11, 1996, in an attempt to stop Hezbollah from firing Katyusha rockets into northern Israel.
A week into the campaign, on April 18, the Israeli military launched an operation against Hezbollah in Qana, where nearly 800 refugees from southern Lebanon had taken shelter in a U.N. compound.
After Hezbollah militants fired two Katyusha rockets from areas very near the U.N. compound, Israel responded with an artillery barrage. More than a dozen shells hit the compound.
It was nine days later that Israel, Lebanon and Syria agreed to a cease-fire. Over the entire 16-day Israeli operation, about 150 people were killed in Lebanon - with most of them dying in the Qana shelling. Hezbollah fired more than 600 Katyusha rockets into Israel, but no one was killed.
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Israel halts fire for Qana probe
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5229932.stm
Israel has agreed a 48-hour suspension of air strikes over southern Lebanon to investigate the killing of more than 54 civilians on Sunday, the US says.
The announcement came after talks between Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and senior Israeli officials.
More than 30 children died in the Qana attack - the deadliest Israeli raid since hostilities began on 12 July when two Israeli soldiers were seized.
The UN Security Council is holding emergency talks on the crisis.
The strike has drawn strong international condemnation and, correspondents say, given a new urgency to diplomatic efforts to resolve the crisis.
But the US is still resisting calls for an immediate ceasefire.
Hezbollah militants who captured the Israeli soldiers in a cross- border raid have vowed to retaliate.
Several Katyusha rockets hit the Israeli border town of Kiryat Shemona on Sunday, wounding several people, in what residents described as the worst day so far.
Lebanon's health minister says about 750 people - mainly civilians - have been killed by Israeli action.
A total of 51 Israelis, including at least 18 civilians, have been killed in the conflict.
'Heinous'
The Israeli strike killed displaced civilians sheltering in the basement of a three-storey house.
Old people, women and children were among those killed.
Reporters spoke of survivors screaming in grief and anger, as some scrabbled through the debris with bare hands.
"Why have they attacked one- and two-year-old children and defenceless women?" said a man who lost family members.
Israel said it had warned civilians to flee, but the BBC's Jim Muir, in Qana, says many did not have the means - or were too frightened - to flee.
As well as suspending the air attacks, Israel says it will work with the United Nations to allow a 24-hour period of "safe passage" for civilians who wish to leave the area, the US state department spokesman, Adam Ereli added.
Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora denounced Israel's "heinous crimes against civilians".
He said his government would not conduct any talks until Israel had halted its attacks - prompting the US secretary of state to cancel a visit to Beirut.
Correspondents say Qana holds bitter memories for the Lebanese.
It was the site of an Israeli bombing of a UN base in 1996 that killed more than 100 people sheltering there during Israel's "Grapes of Wrath" offensive, which was also aimed at destroying Hezbollah.
Israel have taken the lead by calling a 48 hour ceasefire to investigate the Qana airstrike. Hopefully Hezbollah respond by calling their own ceasefire.
Israel halts fire for Qana probe
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5229932.stm
Israel has agreed a 48-hour suspension of air strikes over southern Lebanon to investigate the killing of more than 54 civilians on Sunday, the US says.
The announcement came after talks between Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and senior Israeli officials.
More than 30 children died in the Qana attack - the deadliest Israeli raid since hostilities began on 12 July when two Israeli soldiers were seized.
The UN Security Council is holding emergency talks on the crisis.
The strike has drawn strong international condemnation and, correspondents say, given a new urgency to diplomatic efforts to resolve the crisis.
But the US is still resisting calls for an immediate ceasefire.
Hezbollah militants who captured the Israeli soldiers in a cross- border raid have vowed to retaliate.
Several Katyusha rockets hit the Israeli border town of Kiryat Shemona on Sunday, wounding several people, in what residents described as the worst day so far.
Lebanon's health minister says about 750 people - mainly civilians - have been killed by Israeli action.
A total of 51 Israelis, including at least 18 civilians, have been killed in the conflict.
'Heinous'
The Israeli strike killed displaced civilians sheltering in the basement of a three-storey house.
Old people, women and children were among those killed.
Reporters spoke of survivors screaming in grief and anger, as some scrabbled through the debris with bare hands.
"Why have they attacked one- and two-year-old children and defenceless women?" said a man who lost family members.
Israel said it had warned civilians to flee, but the BBC's Jim Muir, in Qana, says many did not have the means - or were too frightened - to flee.
As well as suspending the air attacks, Israel says it will work with the United Nations to allow a 24-hour period of "safe passage" for civilians who wish to leave the area, the US state department spokesman, Adam Ereli added.
Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora denounced Israel's "heinous crimes against civilians".
He said his government would not conduct any talks until Israel had halted its attacks - prompting the US secretary of state to cancel a visit to Beirut.
Correspondents say Qana holds bitter memories for the Lebanese.
It was the site of an Israeli bombing of a UN base in 1996 that killed more than 100 people sheltering there during Israel's "Grapes of Wrath" offensive, which was also aimed at destroying Hezbollah.
Israel have taken the lead by calling a 48 hour ceasefire to investigate the Qana airstrike. Hopefully Hezbollah respond by calling their own ceasefire.
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phantom, what good is a 2 day ceasefire if the slaughter and massacres continue?
some of these children are babies as young as 1 and 2. sleeping peacefully in a safehouse. the remaining people in qana were all in that safehouse because they had no transport or means to leave qana. very sad incident.
israel deserves all the condemnation in the world for that attack but it wont change anything.
Phantom said:
phantom, what good is a 2 day ceasefire if the slaughter and massacres continue?
some of these children are babies as young as 1 and 2. sleeping peacefully in a safehouse. the remaining people in qana were all in that safehouse because they had no transport or means to leave qana. very sad incident.
israel deserves all the condemnation in the world for that attack but it wont change anything.
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No good if it continues. But at least Israel have taken the first step.
Very sad indeed. The only positive is that they died in their sleep.
Yes, as much as Hezbollah for siting their rocket launchers from within the town.
Hopefully something positive can come from this, but there needs to be 3 parties coming to an agreement. Hezbollah & Hamas must come to the party too, not just the Israelis.
LidsandBling said:
No good if it continues. But at least Israel have taken the first step.
Very sad indeed. The only positive is that they died in their sleep.
Yes, as much as Hezbollah for siting their rocket launchers from within the town.
Hopefully something positive can come from this, but there needs to be 3 parties coming to an agreement. Hezbollah & Hamas must come to the party too, not just the Israelis.
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Sydney synagogue attack condemned
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200607/s1701446.htm
Community leaders have condemned the attack on a synagogue in Sydney's west.
Police say a cement block was thrown onto the roof of a house that adjoins the synagogue in Parramatta last night and the windows of two cars parked on the property were smashed.
Investigators say about 10 men were seen running away shortly afterwards.
Stepan Kerkyasharian from the Community Relations Commission says such acts will not be tolerated.
"Acts of violence are simply not acceptable in our society," he said.
"I am concerned that people might be using the situation in the Middle East particularly to pursue their anti-Semitic agendas and there needs to be vigilance."
Rabbi Yossi Wernick says it is hard to believe a war in the Middle East led to the attack.
He says he did not expect a conflict that involves Israel and Lebanon to affect the local community in Sydney.
"I don't see why someone would make a connection, why they should make a connection," he said.
"Unfortunately I see that they do but I don't see why they should make a connection between that and a small communal synagogue in Parramatta."
One of Australia's leading muslim clerics has condemned the attack.
Speaking through an interpreter, Sydney's Sheikh Taj el-Din al Hilaly said it is a serious matter if the violence was prompted by the conflict overseas.
"It just defies logic to bring the problems between Israel and Hezbollah to Sydney, it's just not right," he said.
"People should express their views and concerns in a democratic manner."
Sydney synagogue attack condemned
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200607/s1701446.htm
Community leaders have condemned the attack on a synagogue in Sydney's west.
Police say a cement block was thrown onto the roof of a house that adjoins the synagogue in Parramatta last night and the windows of two cars parked on the property were smashed.
Investigators say about 10 men were seen running away shortly afterwards.
Stepan Kerkyasharian from the Community Relations Commission says such acts will not be tolerated.
"Acts of violence are simply not acceptable in our society," he said.
"I am concerned that people might be using the situation in the Middle East particularly to pursue their anti-Semitic agendas and there needs to be vigilance."
Rabbi Yossi Wernick says it is hard to believe a war in the Middle East led to the attack.
He says he did not expect a conflict that involves Israel and Lebanon to affect the local community in Sydney.
"I don't see why someone would make a connection, why they should make a connection," he said.
"Unfortunately I see that they do but I don't see why they should make a connection between that and a small communal synagogue in Parramatta."
One of Australia's leading muslim clerics has condemned the attack.
Speaking through an interpreter, Sydney's Sheikh Taj el-Din al Hilaly said it is a serious matter if the violence was prompted by the conflict overseas.
"It just defies logic to bring the problems between Israel and Hezbollah to Sydney, it's just not right," he said.
"People should express their views and concerns in a democratic manner."
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My heart goes out to the innocent people being killed, but is it a whole lot different to the atrocities of Hitler which you condone? You obviously have no love for Jews, and I feel you single Phantom out because of his Jewish heritage, but the murder of innocent people isn't acceptable no matter which nationality, race or religion they are...Jews and Lebonese included. It's hypocritical to support the execution of one race yet arc up when it's your own. The Jewish children were no more deserving of execution than the Lebonese are.
If only the racism and hatred and killing and destruction would end and the world could live in peace....I feel a song coming on.
Imagine-John Lennon
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
:'( :'( :'(
LidsandBling said:
My heart goes out to the innocent people being killed, but is it a whole lot different to the atrocities of Hitler which you condone? You obviously have no love for Jews, and I feel you single Phantom out because of his Jewish heritage, but the murder of innocent people isn't acceptable no matter which nationality, race or religion they are...Jews and Lebonese included. It's hypocritical to support the execution of one race yet arc up when it's your own. The Jewish children were no more deserving of execution than the Lebonese are.
If only the racism and hatred and killing and destruction would end and the world could live in peace....I feel a song coming on.
Imagine-John Lennon
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
:'( :'( :'(
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rosy if the jews had done to your family in australia what they have done to my family in lebanon and other arab countries there wouldn't be any love from you either.
each to their own however. i am not ashamed of the way i feel and more people on PRE feel the same way judging by the posts here from members. its just that people are afraid to talk about it openly.
i dont single phantom out any more than he singles me out. its a fair state of play IMO.
great song though.
cheeers rosy
rosy if the jews had done to your family in australia what they have done to my family in lebanon and other arab countries there wouldn't be any love from you either.
each to their own however. i am not ashamed of the way i feel and more people on PRE feel the same way judging by the posts here from members. its just that people are afraid to talk about it openly.
i dont single phantom out any more than he singles me out. its a fair state of play IMO.
great song though.
cheeers rosy
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Jill Singer in the HS today:
"Much as I loathe the thinking of the late Mao Zedong, who presided over the death of some 70 million of his own people, he once made an uncharacteristically astute observation about human nature; well, at least the human nature of those addicted to power.
Mao said longlasting peace is unendurable to human beings because they need tidal waves of drama.
Peace and prosperity prove too boring for all too many people and so they court war."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,19961432-5006029,00.html
It's a pity so many innocents die for the ambitions of those who are hungry for power.
Jill Singer in the HS today:
"Much as I loathe the thinking of the late Mao Zedong, who presided over the death of some 70 million of his own people, he once made an uncharacteristically astute observation about human nature; well, at least the human nature of those addicted to power.
Mao said longlasting peace is unendurable to human beings because they need tidal waves of drama.
Peace and prosperity prove too boring for all too many people and so they court war."
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,19961432-5006029,00.html
It's a pity so many innocents die for the ambitions of those who are hungry for power.
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Lids&Bling,
Did you not read the post and link Phantom put on the previous page?:
The attack, however, became a rallying cry for international outrage over the Israeli operation and a catalyst for cease-fire talks under the auspices of then-U.S. Secretary of State Warren Christopher. That agreement barred Hezbollah from firing rockets into northern Israel or using civilian areas as launching pads. In exchange, Israel agreed not to fire at civilian targets in Lebanon.
But the deal fell short of meeting Israel's initial demand for the disarmament of Hezbollah. After the cease-fire was announced, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah claimed that his group had been strengthened by the conflict.
You claim a 48-ceasefire is not enough....yet it is Hezbollah that in the past has used ceasefires to gain more strength, as the Hezbollah leader admitted in the quote from Phantom's article above.
Israel has "been there, done that" before with Hezbollah....and we're seeing it again, as Phantom's article shows.
Oh....pleeeeease...spare me mate...c'mon...how many tears have you wept for Israeli children blown to smithereens while sitting on bus because of some suicide bomber.....or Jewish people sitting at home when a rocket fired from a site somewhere in Lebanon lands on their house....so while its always sad when children die, from any side...you...well...the saying is "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".
Suicide bombers blowing up innocent people are just as spineless, don't you agree?
I haven't seen you on here yet condemning these actions with the same vigour and enthusiasm that you condemn the Israelis with. :-X
Phantom,
:clap :clap :clap
About time some of these 'moderate Islams' became more active in society, and took back their religion.
I just hope he is fair-dinkum with this message he has given to the media, and preaches it at the next mosque prayer session.
The more clerics and muftis that condemn and condone violence and interact better with the community, then maybe, just maybe, there is hope yet.
LidsandBling said:
Lids&Bling,
Did you not read the post and link Phantom put on the previous page?:
The attack, however, became a rallying cry for international outrage over the Israeli operation and a catalyst for cease-fire talks under the auspices of then-U.S. Secretary of State Warren Christopher. That agreement barred Hezbollah from firing rockets into northern Israel or using civilian areas as launching pads. In exchange, Israel agreed not to fire at civilian targets in Lebanon.
But the deal fell short of meeting Israel's initial demand for the disarmament of Hezbollah. After the cease-fire was announced, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah claimed that his group had been strengthened by the conflict.
You claim a 48-ceasefire is not enough....yet it is Hezbollah that in the past has used ceasefires to gain more strength, as the Hezbollah leader admitted in the quote from Phantom's article above.
Israel has "been there, done that" before with Hezbollah....and we're seeing it again, as Phantom's article shows.
LidsandBling said:
Oh....pleeeeease...spare me mate...c'mon...how many tears have you wept for Israeli children blown to smithereens while sitting on bus because of some suicide bomber.....or Jewish people sitting at home when a rocket fired from a site somewhere in Lebanon lands on their house....so while its always sad when children die, from any side...you...well...the saying is "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".
Suicide bombers blowing up innocent people are just as spineless, don't you agree?
I haven't seen you on here yet condemning these actions with the same vigour and enthusiasm that you condemn the Israelis with. :-X
Phantom said:
Phantom,
:clap :clap :clap
About time some of these 'moderate Islams' became more active in society, and took back their religion.
I just hope he is fair-dinkum with this message he has given to the media, and preaches it at the next mosque prayer session.
The more clerics and muftis that condemn and condone violence and interact better with the community, then maybe, just maybe, there is hope yet.
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Just to put my own view straight.
I am Jewish, I am also Australian.
I would lay down my life for Australia.
I only have a dim connection with Israel.
I visited there for 3 weeks in 1983 to see what the country looked like.
It was a nice place, but I much preferred Egypt as a tourist destination.
I can understand the plight of Israelis.
My daughter is there because she organised a study tour there off her own bat.
She is free to make her own choices in life.
As for Lids&Bling.
There is no separation between Israeli & Jew. He may talk of being anti-Zionist but it merely disguises a blood hatred of Jews, whether they are Israeli or not.
I have no connection to Israel, but in L&B's eyes I am a Jew and therefore worthy of hate.
For L&B, it is irrelevent to him that there are also Christians, Muslims, and his own people the Druze who are Israeli citizens, and are active in the service of the IDF (Israeli Defence Force). The are these non-Jewish people, as well as Jews, seving on the Lebanese border.
But all L&B sees is this blood red hatred of all Jews.
This is a condition that all Jews have become accustomed to, whether it be the Middle East, Europe, Africa, America, or now here in Australia.
L&B has come to Australia as an immigrant, and brought his racial hatreds with him.
For me, L&B, a Druze, I have no hate.
I don't know him, and he is the only Druze that I have ever communicated with.
His hatreds disturb me though.
His people are misunderstood, and have also suffered discrimination amongst other Muslims.
There are 10s of 1,000s of Druze in Israel who live free from discrimination, can vote, and can own land. Yet L&B still carries this hatred.
Maybe there is an anecdote by L&B that has led to his universal hatred of all Jews.
Back to me.
I am an Australian.
One part of my family has lived here for 3 generations, other part of my family for 7 generations.
I love Australia, and its culture & people.
I would lay down my life for Australia.
Unfortunately, regardless of how much I love being an Australian, many like L&B will see me only as that dastardly Jew.
Every Jew lives knowing that the Holocaust has not happened once, it has happened repeatedly and regularly for over 4,000 years.
Why, only because we are different, we educate ourselves as a priority and consequenly live comfortable lives, and we are idealists who lead the world in ethics, science & the arts.
That is our lot in life.
To be the Chosen, and consequently be hated for it.
Just to put my own view straight.
I am Jewish, I am also Australian.
I would lay down my life for Australia.
I only have a dim connection with Israel.
I visited there for 3 weeks in 1983 to see what the country looked like.
It was a nice place, but I much preferred Egypt as a tourist destination.
I can understand the plight of Israelis.
My daughter is there because she organised a study tour there off her own bat.
She is free to make her own choices in life.
As for Lids&Bling.
There is no separation between Israeli & Jew. He may talk of being anti-Zionist but it merely disguises a blood hatred of Jews, whether they are Israeli or not.
I have no connection to Israel, but in L&B's eyes I am a Jew and therefore worthy of hate.
For L&B, it is irrelevent to him that there are also Christians, Muslims, and his own people the Druze who are Israeli citizens, and are active in the service of the IDF (Israeli Defence Force). The are these non-Jewish people, as well as Jews, seving on the Lebanese border.
But all L&B sees is this blood red hatred of all Jews.
This is a condition that all Jews have become accustomed to, whether it be the Middle East, Europe, Africa, America, or now here in Australia.
L&B has come to Australia as an immigrant, and brought his racial hatreds with him.
For me, L&B, a Druze, I have no hate.
I don't know him, and he is the only Druze that I have ever communicated with.
His hatreds disturb me though.
His people are misunderstood, and have also suffered discrimination amongst other Muslims.
There are 10s of 1,000s of Druze in Israel who live free from discrimination, can vote, and can own land. Yet L&B still carries this hatred.
Maybe there is an anecdote by L&B that has led to his universal hatred of all Jews.
Back to me.
I am an Australian.
One part of my family has lived here for 3 generations, other part of my family for 7 generations.
I love Australia, and its culture & people.
I would lay down my life for Australia.
Unfortunately, regardless of how much I love being an Australian, many like L&B will see me only as that dastardly Jew.
Every Jew lives knowing that the Holocaust has not happened once, it has happened repeatedly and regularly for over 4,000 years.
Why, only because we are different, we educate ourselves as a priority and consequenly live comfortable lives, and we are idealists who lead the world in ethics, science & the arts.
That is our lot in life.
To be the Chosen, and consequently be hated for it.
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