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Funny thing about this " peace " caper. Over recent years Israel has managed to make some reasonable peace with Egypt, Saudi, UAE, Qatar, Jordan. The countries from my limited understanding that it's been a struggle to arrange any form of peace with are where the Iranian backed " terrorists / freedom fighters " pick whatever title you think might be suitable reside. Yep Palestine and Hamas. Lebanon and Hezbollah. Yemen and the Houthis.
Strange how before Oct 7 last year so much of western media were lauding that there was finally some genuine peace and accord building through this region. Right up until such time as the *smile* hit the fan n things got real *smile* ugly.
Yeah *smile* TM

Israel is not occupying nor did it displace the population of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE or Qatar.
There is massive support for the Palestinians in Jordan, because so many of them are Palestinians, including the Queen of Jordan.
Israel is the occupier of Palestine. Israel invaded Lebanon in the 1980s and tried to instal a sympathetic government and that actually led to the formation of Hezbollah, that’s well before any involvement by Iran.
There has never been any dispute between the Houthi and Israel, until the recent flare up in the gulf. The Houthi are rebels btw, they are trying to overthrow the Saudi backed government .

I’m pretty sure the Palestinians weren’t lauding peace before October 7.
 
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I'm not going to dispute this as you are probably right and ironically its about the only thing you and Sin have agreed to on this, is that corruption is occurring on both sides, but Israel may think that the way towards peace is complete destruction of Hamas and then complete control of the Gaza strip, however all that does is strip hope of a future away from the Palestinians living there. Once you strip hope away, extremism will inevitably increase which I think is the position that Sin has been pushing.

Until the Israelis can show the Palestinians that there is a better future, like the British finally did in Northern Ireland then conflict will remain and as the Palestinians don't really have an army (they have people but its devoid of any quality military equipment), then the only way to fight back is through insurgency like what happened on October 7th.,

Unfortunately until BOTH sides give a lot, we will keep going around in circles, much like the way this thread just goes around in circles.
Yeah.

Good summary
 
Er yes.
What was his solution? I didn’t hear it. Did you?
Not his speech. The solution.
That wasnt the purpose of the clip.

You think this conflict started Oct 7?
 
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No prospect for peace?

Oh yes there is.

Draw the borders as they were in 1967, declare a Palestinian state and then enforce it with the world's military. Add to this the USA stops providing Israel with bombs they are currently dropping on anyone who moves in Gaza and you will have peace.

Won't happen because the USA is not an unbiased broker in this conflict, they are clearly backing one side and have done so for decades.

If the world was serious about peace in Palestine/Israel then it can happen.

DS
 
No prospect for peace?

Oh yes there is.

Draw the borders as they were in 1967, declare a Palestinian state and then enforce it with the world's military. Add to this the USA stops providing Israel with bombs they are currently dropping on anyone who moves in Gaza and you will have peace.

Won't happen because the USA is not an unbiased broker in this conflict, they are clearly backing one side and have done so for decades.

If the world was serious about peace in Palestine/Israel then it can happen.

DS

I can't remember whose video it was, perhaps Abby Martin, but there was a snippet of a US congressman, several decades ago, being shown saying that if Israel wasn't created, the US would need to create such a state. His point was around keeping Iran and the Arabs in check.

The US is sooo complicit in so much that is wrong around the globe in 2024, it is really sad stuff.
 
You're just showing that you have little comprehension skills.

MY comment didn't mention PRE anywhere, but you took it as an insult to you. Shows a lot hey!

And now you are trying to pass the buck by AGAIN making up bulldust to fit your narrative.

So again, where did I lie? And this time I'll add in, where did I mention PRE?

Just more strawmen and bulldust from you.

Hey, look over there!!!
Boo hoo
 
No prospect for peace?

Oh yes there is.

Draw the borders as they were in 1967, declare a Palestinian state and then enforce it with the world's military.
There is no way and I mean no way that would ever happen.

Israel will never give up the annexed area of the Golan Heights. It’s too important strategically to Israel’s defence. As was seen when Syria launched its invasion in 1967. Would anyone expect Hezbollah to disarm and disband? No. That answered the question then, otherwise Hezbollah just sits there armed to the teeth on another area overlooking Israel.

Handing back the Golan Heights is nothing but fantasy.
Add to this the USA stops providing Israel with bombs they are currently dropping on anyone who moves in Gaza and you will have peace.

Won't happen because the USA is not an unbiased broker in this conflict, they are clearly backing one side and have done so for decades.
So would anyone expect Iran to stop funding and arming the terror armies. Who would trust them to do so? No one would.
If the world was serious about peace in Palestine/Israel then it can happen.

DS
The world could be serious about peace in Palestine/Israel. But it’s the proponents that would need convincing and their backers.
There is zero trust between Israel and the Palestinian, nor it’s leadership. Not just Netanyahu and Abbas. But many factions around them
It’s become a pipedream. Too many people who will want revenge for the attacks and the reciprocal deaths and devastation.

Its gone.
 
LOL

First you call me Muhammed, then you call me a liar.

That response sums you up.
I thought you were going to stop replying :giggle:
You just can’t help yourself.
Yes I did and I apologised personally to you. I take that back now.
You sure up, you’ve proven it all by yourself.
Now go and find another video clip and remember to “like” anyone’s post against me.
Talk about some little muppets :rolleyes:
 
October 7 certainly wasn’t the start. But it was the catalyst for Israel to invade Gaza. And for what has unfolded there since.
Blame Hamas for instigating the invasion against their own countrymen. Not that Hamas gives a *smile* about anyone but themselves. Why should they? They’re all martyrs for the cause and will meet Allah.
Its their religion, their fervour. I hope every Hamas leader, operative, helper and sympathiser are granted their wish to become a martyr. Sooner rather than later.
Some clips just to remind people what the caused this invasion. Most pro Pali’s won’t watch them, will complain about them. But I think most have forgotten there are more atty than just in Gaza.




 

I thought you were going to stop replying :giggle:

You just can’t help yourself.
Yes I did and I apologised personally to you. I take that back now.
You sure up, you’ve proven it all by yourself.

Now go and find another video clip and remember to “like” anyone’s post against me.​

Talk about some little muppets :rolleyes:
hahahahahahahaha

Quick everyone... Look over there...!!!

I wonder who the other muppets you are referencing are? Hopefully they are as honoured, as I am, to be insulted *again* by you.

Muhammed... Liar, and now a muppet.
 
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