Nick Vlastuin

[Mr Brightside]

Get him in the middle!

Agree, great oppurtunity to play on some quality mids over the next month, Selwood, Swallow, Hartlett, Watson, lf he likes to be lead to the ball as Leysy pointed out this could be a great making of him, wouldn't play him as a lick down just to go more head to head with his natural defensive mindset, could be a good win

 

[tigerdave]

Agree, great oppurtunity to play on some quality mids over the next month, Selwood, Swallow, Hartlett, Watson, lf he likes to be lead to the ball as Leysy pointed out this could be a great making of him, wouldn't play him as a lick down just to go more head to head with his natural defensive mindset, could be a good win

Yep, let him loose in the middle!

 

[mainlandy]

so we play grigg at centre clearances and not nick

i couldn't be bothered anymore trying to figure that one out

richmond has made me feel dumb

Spot on. Having Grigg in there effectively makes it 4 on 3. Soft wick has no idea

 

[jb03]

The bizarro world incorrect focus on PRE continues.

10 possessions tonight. Am sure the lambasting of leysy that occured last time will happen again.

Side note and call *smile* if you like, but it isn't: Leysy was at great mates a 40th a few weeks back and got in convo with a recruiting Mgr from a club that has done very well in November in recent seasons. Asked him about Nick. Answer:

In a multitide of roles from under 16's until now he has always been led to the football first. That is why he's always had low possession numbers. I don't expect that to change.

It isn't. Leysy thinks he can be a 200 game, but ltd role player. Nothing more. The Luke Hodge calls that seem to emanate most weeks are completely laughable.

So at a pissup one guy gave an opinion that sort of aligns with yours so all of a sudden you repeat it as fact.

Pick 9 not capable of finding the ball.

Pick 9 not capable of playing midfield.

Pick 9 not used at centre square contests.

Pick 9 was a flanker in the Under 18's.

Pick 9 was touted as a midfielder.

Pick 9 was supposed to be a crucial part of the midfield.

Still better than a pick 6 on our list. Played well last night in his role so tough to be too critical.


What was the consensus at draft time for his position?

 

[Disco]

Yep, time to see if Nick can play on ball.

Even if only as a tagger. Someone mentioned earlier that a recruiting guy said he gets led to the ball so might be the position for him.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

No one, other than Edwards could honestly say that they gave their best in this game, but Nick was one of the best of the worst.

 

[Scoop]

So at a p!ssup one guy gave an opinion that sort of aligns with yours so all of a sudden you repeat it as fact.


Still better than a pick 6 on our list. Played well last night in his role so tough to be too critical.


What was the consensus at draft time for his position?

Had very little impact on the contest. And just because a pick 6 was wrong it doesn't improve pick 9's stock. At the time I wanted Brodie Grundy. We still need that young ruck.

But Vlastuin isn't looking like he will become anything but a role player. Disappointing.

 

[Stylo]

I haven't seen last night's game but there's a lot of reactionary crap in here. RFC has a host of issues - Vlastuin isn't one of them.

 

[jb03]

Had very little impact on the contest. And just because a pick 6 was wrong it doesn't improve pick 9's stock. At the time I wanted Brodie Grundy. We still need that young ruck.

But Vlastuin isn't looking like he will become anything but a role player. Disappointing.

Fair enough - good point re pick 6 - just reinforcing the failure of our drafting.

I wouldn't concede that Nick is a lost cause as an onballer.

And for all Melbourne faults, they had genuine dare and foresight in drafting Hogan.

 

[TigerArmySoldier01]

Is being used in the wrong position. Has a great set of hands, loves being in the contest. We use him as a back flanker.

Get him in the guts!

 

[Chimptastic]

I haven't seen last night's game but there's a lot of reactionary crap in here. RFC has a host of issues - Vlastuin isn't one of them.

On its own, it's not a problem. However, when a number of players are failing to compare favourably to premiership teams' draft selections around that pick, then it becomes a problem because we need to make up the deficit with a later pick.

Geelong picked Bartel with Pick 9 and Selwood with Pick 7. They win premierships. We pick Conca and Vlastuin and yes, they're good, but currently not good enough to take us places.

 

[Merveille]

On its own, it's not a problem. However, when a number of players are failing to compare favourably to premiership teams' draft selections around that pick, then it becomes a problem because we need to make up the deficit with a later pick.

Geelong picked Bartel with Pick 9 and Selwood with Pick 7. They win premierships. We pick Conca and Vlastuin and yes, they're good, but currently not good enough to take us places.

Took Bartel 2 or 3 years to get going. He spent time in the twos.

Selwood walked into one of the best teams of the last 40 years and had no pressure on him re attention early on

 

[Smoking Aces]

I have no doubt that the putrid coaching and development of Hardwick and his team is playing a big part in Nick's lack of progress.

Bloody hell, even Cotchin isn't half the footballer he was 3 years ago.

This.

I cannot for the life of me understand why he is pigeon holed into one area of the ground. He is more than a back pocket negator. Stick him in the guts and see what can transpire.

Its ok Dimma, it wont hurt to try something different.

 

[Stylo]

On its own, it's not a problem. However, when a number of players are failing to compare favourably to premiership teams' draft selections around that pick, then it becomes a problem because we need to make up the deficit with a later pick.

Geelong picked Bartel with Pick 9 and Selwood with Pick 7. They win premierships. We pick Conca and Vlastuin and yes, they're good, but currently not good enough to take us places.

Don't forget those drafts were heavily compromised. Without the expansion concessions we'd have had access to Harley Bennell and Ollie Wines with those picks (as an example).

 

[Chimptastic]

Took Bartel 2 or 3 years to get going. He spent time in the twos.

Selwood walked into one of the best teams of the last 40 years and had no pressure on him re attention early on

Yep and that's why it's okay to want more from our current top 10 draft picks. We shouldn't say they're the least of our problems and accept them as back pockets or bench mids. We can't afford to make this a recurring theme with our top picks.

We need talent, not soldiers.

 

[Chimptastic]

Don't forget those drafts were heavily compromised. Without the expansion concessions we'd have had access to Harley Bennell and Ollie Wines with those picks (as an example).

This is what depresses me about the near future. Because of the compromised drafts, clubs like the dogs didn't get a Conca, they got a Bontempelli. We're going to have a serious class deficit in the near future and we need to manage that deficit through later picks, trades, and free agents. So far, we're failing to land class FAs, failing to get trades over the line, and our later picks are looking pretty solid but with little pure class.

 

[jb03]

This is what depresses me about the near future. Because of the compromised drafts, clubs like the dogs didn't get a Conca, they got a Bontempelli. We're going to have a serious class deficit in the near future and we need to manage that deficit through later picks, trades, and free agents. So far, we're failing to land class FAs, failing to get trades over the line, and our later picks are looking pretty solid but with little pure class.

that is a copout. We simply blew the Conca pick.

 

[tigerlove]

that is a copout. We simply blew the Conca pick.

Exactly. Look at 8 and 9. Heppell and Prestia, both midfield guns. At least we got one out of left field. Tick the bucket list box.

 

[The_General]

Cripps looks pretty good, wasn't he taken the pick after Vlaustin?

 

[Chimptastic]

that is a copout. We simply blew the Conca pick.

It is in that sense, but what I meant was that we should have had a straightforward Pick 2 instead of effectively Pick 12. We had less chance of drafting quality talent due to the compromised draft AND we stuffed up the pick, compounding the situation. It was controllably worse than it should have been, in a situation that was uncontrollably worse than it should have been. Double whammy.

To rub it in, in the past when clubs finished 2nd last: Collingwood received Pendlebury and Thomas, and Hawthorn received Roughead and Lance Franklin. A few years later we finish in the same position and end up with Conca.

Club's fault + horrible external factors = lack of high-end talent at our club.