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Sorry but what i saw in that one missed tackle (the bull fighters olay!) tells me he wont put his body on the line when i counts .It looks like he was thinking im gunna get hurt here!!!skiptomystu said:mtench said:When a player is running at him and he carn't stick a tackle that is soft . Didn't want to get hurt ,that is soft!!!!
I don't think that's how it works.
Redford said:
Classy enough IMO. We need to build up our stocks with hard inside types who can win their own ball and can think their way out of tight situations. From what I have seen of him he is classy enough and his skills are adequate.
Foley is the only true inside type who can get the ball moving effectively. If we don't add to this area we will not progress because Foley will be completely shut out and there goes your ignition. We have no-one else. Tuck for all his efforts turns it over too much, Johnson is gone, and Coughlan has massive question marks. Who do we rely on to get us going?
A loping flanker with good skills will not help our development. I hope people don't get too excited by Mortons U18 carnival. Most of his pin point disposal was under minimal pressure and was fed by the great inside work of Masten, Rich, McGinnity, Palmer etc. He won't have this luxuray with us, no-one will. All players that we recruit need to be able to win their own ball, are smart enough in tight, and have adequate skills when under pressure. And pressure finals footy is what it's all about.
We have flopped too many drafts by going for the class/speed/upside/x factors. Gilmour, Meyer, Tambling, JON, Pettifer, (even Deledio had question marks over his ball getting and shaking off a tag ability), just to name a few high picks. Deledio will be good for us but not as a ball winning on-baller.
We need some blue collar on-ballers. We are getting all excited with the possibility of getting Brock McLean becasue he provides exactly that what we lack, hard inside types. Was Bartel considered "classy" enough when drafted.
Masten is not your classy/flashy type. He is a no-nonsense hard worker who gets loads of it, makes good decisions in tight and gets others in the game. Kane Cornes anyone?
Freo have most likely told him to rest his mild case of OP.
Harry said:
Not really true at all. He had a couple of games with too many turnovers (and consequently a string of games with very few turnovers) but overall this year he turned it over at much the same rate as other midfielders getting the ball 23 times a game.
Disco08 said:
You're only commenting on the turnovers when the ball is kicked directly to an opposition. You neglect to include when a player doesn't see the best option and opts to kick blindly high to a contest, from which (in todays flooding football) it is spoiled and the opposition run it out. This is not considered a turnover, but the outcome is the same. Tuck has questionable decision making in tight and doesn't see the good options that the better on-ballers do. He has a crack and puts his body on the line, and in this respect is of some value. But we are not getting maximum reward for all his efforts. My opinion from what I observe high up in the stands, where you can see the better decision makers on the park.
He does a little more than have a crack. He led the league in first possessions, was 8th in clearances and 6th in contested possessions. When you look at the players that make up the rest of the top ten or twenty in these categories you have to come to one of two conclusions. Either Tuck is a very valuable player or he's one of the biggest statistical anomalies in AFL history.
Agreed he doesn't punish the opposition as much as some other players with better vision, but I wouldn't say he's much, if at all, worse in this regard than guys like Jude Bolton, Kirk, Kane Cornes, West, McLean, Corey etc, etc.
Agreed he doesn't punish the opposition as much as some other players with better vision, but I wouldn't say he's much, if at all, worse in this regard than guys like Jude Bolton, Kirk, Kane Cornes, West, McLean, Corey etc, etc.
That's a typical assertion from prejudice IMO. It's easy to do when you've watched him make 12 errors in one game but when you look at cold, hard error rate and effective disposal numbers Tuck is in the middle of the pack along side plenty of the game' better players.
i dont need stats to tell me he isnt in the same class as bartel and mitchell
when was the last time tuck had over 30 and really got our engine going, he never does
scraps away with his 20-25 odd touches and floats these high balls into our forward line which get taken away to the other end in a flash
even in 2005 he was doing the same thing but the brillance of brown in the forward 50 actually made tuck's work look better than it was
puts his head over it and has played injured mostly so im not bagging him i just think we need better options asap, cogs circa 2003 and foley 2007 is what you want from your premier inside mids
but we need 2-3 of them next to each other which is the problem, masten would be the man in this instance
when was the last time tuck had over 30 and really got our engine going, he never does
scraps away with his 20-25 odd touches and floats these high balls into our forward line which get taken away to the other end in a flash
even in 2005 he was doing the same thing but the brillance of brown in the forward 50 actually made tuck's work look better than it was
puts his head over it and has played injured mostly so im not bagging him i just think we need better options asap, cogs circa 2003 and foley 2007 is what you want from your premier inside mids
but we need 2-3 of them next to each other which is the problem, masten would be the man in this instance
