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Smoking Aces said:
Reading what Evo posted back on page 9 about Morton, then I cannot see why everyone is in panic mode about picking this kid up. Even if he ends up being 3/4 of the players mentioned eg Pavlich, Kouta and dare I say it Franklin, then I think we will be more than happy.

its because we have had many of his type before and many have come and failed, they take a lot of work and the rfc arent renowned for their junior development
 
morton without a doubt is a talent. hes not rated top 3 or 5 for no reason. great skills has pace and does take a good mark. he dominated against his peers at the 18s championships and he stands out at colts level. the biggest concern i have about him and the single biggest reason why i dont think he will play kp is his body shape. i have been bitten far to often by skinny types. surely others have this concern. if he does bulk up imo he has the biggest upside of any kid in this draft. i do have a query of his ability to win inside ball as well this is linked to his body shape.

personally i have tergeted cotchin ebert or masten with pick 2. i just dont want to get bitten on the arse again.
 
GEDS1 said:
Wozman what is the source and story surrounding the trade up for Rance ?


All I will divulge is that the source played in Richmond's U/19 Premiership in 1989 and is still actively in contact with significant members (one in particular) on the inside.

I don't know how they will get there, but I have been told that we will be looking for another Top 10 pick - and with this are looking at taking Rance.

I thought this was initially good news (attaining two links in a spine that we have all be screaming for) until I realised that many on here regard Morton as another weak muppett. ::)
 
the claw said:
morton without a doubt is a talent. hes not rated top 3 or 5 for no reason. great skills has pace and does take a good mark. he dominated against his peers at the 18s championships and he stands out at colts level. the biggest concern i have about him and the single biggest reason why i dont think he will play kp is his body shape. i have been bitten far to often by skinny types. surely others have this concern. if he does bulk up imo he has the biggest upside of any kid in this draft. i do have a query of his ability to win inside ball as well this is linked to his body shape.

personally i have tergeted cotchin ebert or masten with pick 2. i just dont want to get bitten on the arse again.

And what if Morton lives up to his talent?? We then have another fiora/pavlich , tambling/franklin scenario to deal with. :'( :'(
 
The Mighty Wozman said:
GEDS1 said:
Wozman what is the source and story surrounding the trade up for Rance ?


All I will divulge is that the source played in Richmond's U/19 Premiership in 1989 and is still actively in contact with significant members (one in particular) on the inside.

I don't know how they will get there, but I have been told that we will be looking for another Top 10 pick - and with this are looking at taking Rance.

I thought this was initially good news (attaining two links in a spine that we have all be screaming for) until I realised that many on here regard Morton as another weak muppett. ::)

Maybe some truth behind Petts to the Saints. Petts and pick 19 for their first round pick?

Could they be that gullible?!!
 
Probably the best comparison for Morton is Brett Burton without the speccy ability, but a better kick. He's a loper, not quick, and likes the open spaces. Not a contested pack type of KP, and not a hard leading type also. What hole does he fill ? He might become a great player, might become a champion but we can't rely on 'might' and 'hope' with our early picks. Not in the current state we are in. We have to make them stick and pick certainties. If we stuff this one up we will be in massive strife. Pick a certainty - pick Masten. He'll fit in well and give Foley massive amount of support with the clearance work. He might not become the "champion" we are all dreaming about, then again the others might not also, but it's the safest pick IMO.
 
IrockZ said:
Smoking Aces said:
Reading what Evo posted back on page 9 about Morton, then I cannot see why everyone is in panic mode about picking this kid up. Even if he ends up being 3/4 of the players mentioned eg Pavlich, Kouta and dare I say it Franklin, then I think we will be more than happy.

its because we have had many of his type before and many have come and failed, they take a lot of work and the rfc arent renowned for their junior development

Can't remember too many Pavlich or Kouta types at Richmond.
 
Masten would be nice.You can't have them all unfortunately(unless you're Carlton)
 
I don't see how a kid with OP at junior level can be considered a "safe" pick
Plenty of juniors have fallen well down the order due to this condition
 
evo said:
Masten would be nice.You can't have them all unfortunately(unless you're Carlton)

My leaning towards Masten is because as the saying goes - you need to crawl before you walk. I just think we need to address the most important part of football first, our most pressing issue, that is our inside clearance work. Once you get this up and running, it becomes easier to address other areas. Better and more effective clearance work assists your outside runners and gets them more involved also places less pressure on them to win the hard ball, it gives the forwards better delivery, and it takes away pressure form you defenders. Better clearance work will make Tambling and Deledio more effective and dangerous, will make Riewoldt and Hughes better forwards, and make Polak and Thursfield better defenders. All of a sudden things start to fall into place. Your inside on-ballers are your ingnition. I'd love to see us stack this draft with inside on-ballers. 2.Masten, 18.Grimes, 19.McGinnity, 35.Polkinghorne would be a dream for me. I know other areas need addressing also, but hard, tough, inside footy always prevails, and we'd improve immensely if this occured.
 
Fair enough Harry,I just reckon when you get 2nd pick you pick the 2nd best player.

Pick for requirments later in the draft.
 
ZeroGame said:
I don't see how a kid with OP at junior level can be considered a "safe" pick
Plenty of juniors have fallen well down the order due to this condition

OP is more crucial to speedsters. While Masten is not super quick he is definately not slow plus hes young and will overcome his groin issues, it wont change the player he is, or will be in 4-5 years time when it matters.
 
blx said:
ZeroGame said:
I don't see how a kid with OP at junior level can be considered a "safe" pick
Plenty of juniors have fallen well down the order due to this condition

OP is more crucial to speedsters. While Masten is not super quick he is definately not slow plus hes young and will overcome his groin issues, it wont change the player he is, or will be in 4-5 years time when it matters.

Would it be overstating the case to say that half of em have got it or are on the way to it?
 
Smoking Aces said:
the claw said:
morton without a doubt is a talent. hes not rated top 3 or 5 for no reason. great skills has pace and does take a good mark. he dominated against his peers at the 18s championships and he stands out at colts level. the biggest concern i have about him and the single biggest reason why i dont think he will play kp is his body shape. i have been bitten far to often by skinny types. surely others have this concern. if he does bulk up imo he has the biggest upside of any kid in this draft. i do have a query of his ability to win inside ball as well this is linked to his body shape.

personally i have tergeted cotchin ebert or masten with pick 2. i just dont want to get bitten on the arse again.

And what if Morton lives up to his talent?? We then have another fiora/pavlich , tambling/franklin scenario to deal with. :'( :'(
as long as the player we pick becomes a good solid 10 yr player it doesnt matter. yes i lament we didnt take buddy. (the only question mark about him was attitude not what he might or might not become.) but we took a pretty sure bet with tambling who hasnt lived up to all expectations yet. tambling has played what 50 games odd. hes ready to go to the next level at some time next yr.

one other question are we looking for a long term player whao can make an immediate impact if so masten or ebert are the go.finally how many skinny types actually manage to dominate games at afl level how many have the ability to bring their teammates into games by winning hard ball. at afl level in the main they are outside types who rely heavily on strong solid inside players to get the ball to them. imo body shape is important and needs to be taken seriously when assesing kids.

evo said:
Fair enough Harry,I just reckon when you get 2nd pick you pick the 2nd best player.

Pick for requirments later in the draft.
you said yourself evo, cotchin or morton at two either way it doesnt matter. lets not pick the skinny runt again.
 
What's the go with this kid Morton.

Does he want to come to Vic or stay in WA?

If he went to WCE would Mitch stay as well?
 
If we recruit Mitch it'll be because we've got an on-field role in mind for him.

You'd guess that we might be looking to top up our stocks of players who can use the ball. Remains to be seen whether Mitch can get the ball.

And the other idea that springs to mind is that we've given up on Danny Meyer becoming our light skilled HBF and have targeted a replacement.
 
blx said:
ZeroGame said:
I don't see how a kid with OP at junior level can be considered a "safe" pick
Plenty of juniors have fallen well down the order due to this condition

OP is more crucial to speedsters. While Masten is not super quick he is definately not slow plus hes young and will overcome his groin issues, it wont change the player he is, or will be in 4-5 years time when it matters.
It certainly changed Luke Ball, if he's already not a speedster then it'll slow him down even more
Do we really need any more midfielders with a lack of pace?