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Matthew McDonough
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Re: Welcome Matthew McDonough at pick 42
Let's get this right, it's all on PRE, Madonna is a forward, Newman is a defender. The Newman decision has nothing to do with whatever decision will be made on Madonna.
IF Madonna is not at Tigerland next year, it will be because of one of two reasons. Either he wants out (and there is a rumour he wants to return to SA, although it is only that a rumour), or the combined powers that be at Tigerland don't think he is the type of player that fits into their required structure.
If you want to have a grumble over something that hasn't happened yet, have a grumble about Gordon or Sheds because it is them that are holding what you consider is Madonna's rightful place in the team, but personally I think it is better we all enjoy the Elimination Final instead of hypothetical negatives.
blx said:If we lose Madonna I'll be very
We toss Madonna out and bring in Newman who does sweet FA except fall over!
Newman announces he is staying and Madonna is right to feel his chances are best served elsewhere because Newy will always get games ahead of him even when it is clear Madonna is the better form player!
Newman is cooked, on the wane, past his peak and in 2016 will be gawn but what do we do...hang on to him cause he is a 'nice guy'
Madonna is a promising youngster on the up and in 2015 will be right to go yet i looks like he will now seek somewhere else!
Unfortunately, its the Richmond way...
Let's get this right, it's all on PRE, Madonna is a forward, Newman is a defender. The Newman decision has nothing to do with whatever decision will be made on Madonna.
IF Madonna is not at Tigerland next year, it will be because of one of two reasons. Either he wants out (and there is a rumour he wants to return to SA, although it is only that a rumour), or the combined powers that be at Tigerland don't think he is the type of player that fits into their required structure.
If you want to have a grumble over something that hasn't happened yet, have a grumble about Gordon or Sheds because it is them that are holding what you consider is Madonna's rightful place in the team, but personally I think it is better we all enjoy the Elimination Final instead of hypothetical negatives.
Re: Welcome Matthew McDonough at pick 42
Dimma tends to introduce young players via the backline
eg Conca, Helbig, McDono, Vlastuin, Ellis etc, even if longer term they play elsewhere
Newman in the 22 does block this avenue for young players
I don't mind Newman playing on, mainly for the maturity of the group, but I would be very surprised if he plays more than 10 AFL games next year
McDono will get opportunities next year - its up to him to grasp them
Dimma tends to introduce young players via the backline
eg Conca, Helbig, McDono, Vlastuin, Ellis etc, even if longer term they play elsewhere
Newman in the 22 does block this avenue for young players
I don't mind Newman playing on, mainly for the maturity of the group, but I would be very surprised if he plays more than 10 AFL games next year
McDono will get opportunities next year - its up to him to grasp them
Re: Welcome Matthew McDonough at pick 42
I can see what you are getting at but doesn't really hold water, e.g. two new players introduced this year Lloyd & Gordon didn't come in through the back line. Defenders or mids come through the back line but not forwards. Madonna did spend time in the back line learning defensive structures and I guess giving the coaches an opportunity to see where he would fit best, but has been playing forward in the VFL for a while now.
I certainly agree with you that Newman will only play a few games when the match committee think he can add something or if there is an injury. I am sure he won't be a walk up start next year.
Ice said:
I can see what you are getting at but doesn't really hold water, e.g. two new players introduced this year Lloyd & Gordon didn't come in through the back line. Defenders or mids come through the back line but not forwards. Madonna did spend time in the back line learning defensive structures and I guess giving the coaches an opportunity to see where he would fit best, but has been playing forward in the VFL for a while now.
I certainly agree with you that Newman will only play a few games when the match committee think he can add something or if there is an injury. I am sure he won't be a walk up start next year.
Re: Welcome Matthew McDonough at pick 42
A difference between McDonough and the 2 players you mention is that they were both older and more physically mature, so had already developed as forwards (Lloyd's big claim to fame was that he kicked over 100 for Deniliquin). McDonough was generally used out of defence according to how Hardwick likes to bring his young players through.buenavista said:
Re: Welcome Matthew McDonough at pick 42
True and he did play 7 games in defence in the AFL and also in the VFL early season. He has now progressed to his natural position in the VFL and the position he was drafted as, up forward. It was also acknowledged by Stig, the club sees him as a forward and Newman's decision to ply on has no affect on Madonna.
CarnTheTiges said:
True and he did play 7 games in defence in the AFL and also in the VFL early season. He has now progressed to his natural position in the VFL and the position he was drafted as, up forward. It was also acknowledged by Stig, the club sees him as a forward and Newman's decision to ply on has no affect on Madonna.
Re: Welcome Matthew McDonough at pick 42
Simple scenario, if Madonna wants to stay and the club sees a role or position for him, then he will be signed to a new contract fairly soon as obviously the club is working through a whole group of contracts at the moment. If one of the two parties is unhappy then a conscious uncoupling will occur and all parties involved will move on to more relevant factors in their lives.
I hope he stays, I think he will stay, but if it don't happen then the world still keeps turning. Right now we've got a final against Pordadalayde that's far more important to the state of my blood pressure.
Simple scenario, if Madonna wants to stay and the club sees a role or position for him, then he will be signed to a new contract fairly soon as obviously the club is working through a whole group of contracts at the moment. If one of the two parties is unhappy then a conscious uncoupling will occur and all parties involved will move on to more relevant factors in their lives.
I hope he stays, I think he will stay, but if it don't happen then the world still keeps turning. Right now we've got a final against Pordadalayde that's far more important to the state of my blood pressure.
Re: Welcome Matthew McDonough at pick 42
Must get games into him next year. Composure is what we lack and he has it in spades. Pretty skillful unit too.
Newman going around again apparently won't impact on him getting games so where does Madonna fit in then? HF/Mid?
With Madonna getting a good preseason in I reckon he plays through the middle and high half forward.
Must get games into him next year. Composure is what we lack and he has it in spades. Pretty skillful unit too.
Newman going around again apparently won't impact on him getting games so where does Madonna fit in then? HF/Mid?
With Madonna getting a good preseason in I reckon he plays through the middle and high half forward.
Re: Welcome Matthew McDonough at pick 42
Yep provided we resign him needs to have a massive preseason.
He's got the scope to be a valuable and damaging player.
MB78 said:
Yep provided we resign him needs to have a massive preseason.
He's got the scope to be a valuable and damaging player.
Re: Welcome Matthew McDonough at pick 42
No chatter at all about him at all. You'd think if he wanted to go home we'd have heard something by now. Maybe we are the ones looking to move him on? I'd have thought he would have been a monty for a two year deal from us if he was keen.
No chatter at all about him at all. You'd think if he wanted to go home we'd have heard something by now. Maybe we are the ones looking to move him on? I'd have thought he would have been a monty for a two year deal from us if he was keen.
Re: Welcome Matthew McDonough at pick 42
It's been some sort of myth all along and am not sure who or why it was started. Look at the instagram photos and you can see Madonna looks happy with his Tiger mates around him. As bad as the Griffo walking out ala Greenwood myth.
Tigertool said:
It's been some sort of myth all along and am not sure who or why it was started. Look at the instagram photos and you can see Madonna looks happy with his Tiger mates around him. As bad as the Griffo walking out ala Greenwood myth.
Re: Welcome Matthew McDonough at pick 42
It was probably me. I've always had a feeling he'd head home at some point. I'd have thought if we were keeping him or he wanted to stay we would have re-signed him by this point of the year. McIntosh has been re-signed and he hasn't played any football yet from the same draft as Madonna's and he's actually played AFL. What's the hold up?
TigerForce said:
It was probably me. I've always had a feeling he'd head home at some point. I'd have thought if we were keeping him or he wanted to stay we would have re-signed him by this point of the year. McIntosh has been re-signed and he hasn't played any football yet from the same draft as Madonna's and he's actually played AFL. What's the hold up?
Re: Welcome Matthew McDonough at pick 42
This kid is a beautiful kick.
A guy that kicks through the ball at a shot from 45 or 50 on a tight angle and it never looks like deviating.
Always had the skills but is way ahead of what I thought he'd be like. Can mix and scrap with the best of them, can find the ball and is supersmart with it.
What he needs is time on the track working on his tank and time in the gym working on his strength and conditioning.
Must keep!
This kid is a beautiful kick.
A guy that kicks through the ball at a shot from 45 or 50 on a tight angle and it never looks like deviating.
Always had the skills but is way ahead of what I thought he'd be like. Can mix and scrap with the best of them, can find the ball and is supersmart with it.
What he needs is time on the track working on his tank and time in the gym working on his strength and conditioning.
Must keep!
Re: Welcome Matthew McDonough at pick 42
Agree with the above. One that was always going to take time to come good. Once he knows he belongs at the high level he will vindicate our decision to select him. As you said, some hard track time, another BIG pre season and we might just have that elusive inside 50 player we have been yearning for.
Agree with the above. One that was always going to take time to come good. Once he knows he belongs at the high level he will vindicate our decision to select him. As you said, some hard track time, another BIG pre season and we might just have that elusive inside 50 player we have been yearning for.
Re: Welcome Matthew McDonough at pick 42
I think people were getting concerned that he was getting sick of being overlooked later in the season and knowing he was from SA, wondered about the go home factor and the lure of playing for Port.Tigertool said:
Re: Welcome Matthew McDonough at pick 42
Agree with all that & will add that he is very brave with his kicks,esp kicking out from a behind, always looking to attacklamb22 said:
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