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Matthew Clarke

spook said:
Gaff has much better disposal than Brandon.

Don't need gaff. He is a great player when your winning but disappears quicker then David Copperfield when things turn bad.
Was he playing last week?
 
spook said:
Gaff has much better disposal than Brandon.

Not sure the stats back that up, their output is pretty similar all things considered.

Ellis Gaff
110 Games 132
12.9 Kicks Per Game 14.7
9.3 Handballs Per Game 10.0
22.1 Disposals Per Game 24.7
5.5 Marks Per Game 4.4
0.4 Goals Per Game 0.4
0.4 Behinds Per Game 0.3
2.5 Tackles Per Game 1.8
0 Hitouts Per Game 0
2.4 Inside 50s Per Game 3.6
0.2 Goal Assists Per Game 0.5
0.5 Frees For Per Game 0.5
0.6 Frees Against Per Game 0.4
5.8 Contested Possessions Per Game 6.3
16.1 Uncontested Possessions Per Game 18.1
16.6 Effective Disposals Per Game 18.0
75% Disposal Efficiency % Per Game 72.9%
2.2 Clangers Per Game 2.2
0.3 Contested Marks Per Game 0.1
0.3 Marks Inside 50 Per Game 0.3
1.6 Clearances Per Game 2.1
2.4 Rebound 50s Per Game 2.1
1.1 One Percenters Per Game 0.9
0.9 Bounces Per Game 1.3
79.8 Time On Ground % Per Game 83.5
 
Prince Gwilliam said:
Talking to a mate the other night who's friend is a Dogs recruiter.
He was saying their main criteria and mantra is elite decision making and explained that's why they took Daniel when all others shied away because of height.
Can't argue with their process in last five years. Shame we didn't pay credence to the same skillset.

he was their 5th pick between 26 and 46, so clearly his height had an impact on when they picked him.
 
bullus_hit said:
Not sure the stats back that up, their output is pretty similar all things considered.

Ellis Gaff
110 Games 132
12.9 Kicks Per Game 14.7
9.3 Handballs Per Game 10.0
22.1 Disposals Per Game 24.7
5.5 Marks Per Game 4.4
0.4 Goals Per Game 0.4
0.4 Behinds Per Game 0.3
2.5 Tackles Per Game 1.8
0 Hitouts Per Game 0
2.4 Inside 50s Per Game 3.6
0.2 Goal Assists Per Game 0.5
0.5 Frees For Per Game 0.5
0.6 Frees Against Per Game 0.4
5.8 Contested Possessions Per Game 6.3
16.1 Uncontested Possessions Per Game 18.1
16.6 Effective Disposals Per Game 18.0
75% Disposal Efficiency % Per Game 72.9%
2.2 Clangers Per Game 2.2
0.3 Contested Marks Per Game 0.1
0.3 Marks Inside 50 Per Game 0.3
1.6 Clearances Per Game 2.1
2.4 Rebound 50s Per Game 2.1
1.1 One Percenters Per Game 0.9
0.9 Bounces Per Game 1.3
79.8 Time On Ground % Per Game 83.5
Disposal efficiency stats mean nothing, especially considering most of Brando's kicks go backwards.
 
spook said:
Disposal efficiency stats mean nothing, especially considering most of Brando's kicks go backwards.

You can blame the coach for that, Ellis has a good shoe on him. He can and should be instructed to kick longer and more direct. This year was a write-off but that goes for everyone apart from Martin, Rance & Cotchin.

If he is traded and I hope he isn't, then I would expect him to be a very solid core player. In 2013 when we were playing a very attractive brand of football Ellis's DE was 81%, that is elite territory, particularly for a guy with a 2:1 kick to handball ratio. We need a new coach, that to me is the main issue.
 
bullus_hit said:
You can blame the coach for that, Ellis has a good shoe on him. He can and should be instructed to kick longer and more direct. This year was a write-off but that goes for everyone apart from Martin, Rance & Cotchin.

If he is traded and I hope he isn't, then I would expect him to be a very solid core player. In 2013 when we were playing a very attractive brand of football Ellis's DE was 81%, that is elite territory, particularly for a guy with a 2:1 kick to handball ratio. We need a new coach, that to me is the main issue.
I agree the coach should go, but so should Ellis.

Texaspinksock said:
That maybe we should have taken weller over ellis, but menadue over blakley was the right call imo
I agree.

Giardiasis said:
Should have taken Lever.
I was mad for him.
 
Brodders17 said:
he was their 5th pick between 26 and 46, so clearly his height had an impact on when they picked him.

True but they took him and that's the key. The point was also more about Dogs recruiting focus on decision making and football smarts rather than beep tests or character or big bodies or whatever we've looking for Broders.
How many times this year did you walk away from games bemoaning the amount of dumb footballers we have playing dumb football? Don't think Dogs fans were doing that last week when they blitzed an interstate side in a final on their dung heap. We can only dream of doing the same.
 
Giardiasis said:
Should have taken Lever.

That in itself will be an interesting comparison, I had Lever as my next preference so he was certainly in the frame.

But back on Weller, his late season form looks very much like breakout territory. 26 touches vs Dogs, 28 touches vs GWS, 19 touches vs Adelaide - nice numbers against quality opposition.
 
bullus_hit said:
You can blame the coach for that, Ellis has a good shoe on him. He can and should be instructed to kick longer and more direct. This year was a write-off but that goes for everyone apart from Martin, Rance & Cotchin.

If he is traded and I hope he isn't, then I would expect him to be a very solid core player. In 2013 when we were playing a very attractive brand of football Ellis's DE was 81%, that is elite territory, particularly for a guy with a 2:1 kick to handball ratio. We need a new coach, that to me is the main issue.
You're right, so what the hell happened to his 81% DE ? What happens to players at this club?
 
ahyeahnah said:
You're right, so what the hell happened to his 81% DE ? What happens to players at this club?

It's a damn good question, all our players seem to go backwards.
 
Texaspinksock said:
Going for blokes who are talented but have iffy character risks you getting blokes like garlett from hawks
Or Swanny, or Dusty, or Buddy. There's iffy characters n then there's down right out n out flogs.

Pretty sure Nic Nat, Yazzy n Barlow all grew up in the same dodgy neighbouhood in Perth, Yazzy having a few issues at the moment but the three haven't been that bad. Snakey Jakey's another that comes from a less than elite background, not perfect but still pretty bloody handy all round.
 
TigerMasochist said:
Or Swanny, or Dusty, or Buddy. There's iffy characters n then there's down right out n out flogs.

Pretty sure Nic Nat, Yazzy n Barlow all grew up in the same dodgy neighbouhood in Perth, Yazzy having a few issues at the moment but the three haven't been that bad. Snakey Jakey's another that comes from a less than elite background, not perfect but still pretty bloody handy all round.
Barlow grew up in Shep North Victoria. Off the mark again. Habit forming!
 
TigerMasochist said:
Or Swanny, or Dusty, or Buddy. There's iffy characters n then there's down right out n out flogs.

Pretty sure Nic Nat, Yazzy n Barlow all grew up in the same dodgy neighbouhood in Perth, Yazzy having a few issues at the moment but the three haven't been that bad. Snakey Jakey's another that comes from a less than elite background, not perfect but still pretty bloody handy all round.
I think the 3rd one is walters from memory not Barlow
 
Sintiger said:
I think the 3rd one is walters from memory not Barlow
Reckon that might be it thanks Sin, goes to show how much I know about Frockers players, wasn't that Pav bloke the one we were supposed to draft all those years ago?

As for saigon, the whole point of the conversation was in regard to the value n performance of players of slightly dodgy character to a clubs list and performance rather than just wiping out talent in favour of sweet n innocent puritans. Do try to keep up with the discussion occasionally.
 
It would be interesting to know the thought process behind appointing someone from within the club as recruiting manager. We have been light years behind the likes of Sydney, Bulldogs and Hawthorn in the period since 2009 which was when Matt started with the club.

Is that the club thinks the picks weren't that bad but devolpment was the problem? Was it that Matt's picks were much better than Frank's but he was overruled?

It would have been a much easier sell to the members if they had got someone from an elite recruiting department like the Swans, Bulldogs or Hawks.

Good luck to Matt. If he doesn't significantly improve on the efforts of the past the drought will get much longer.