Matthew Clarke

[Sintiger]

Apparently some of the nuff nuffs around here are actually excited about all the BIG changes the club has made. Bunch of peanuts all round. :

Yeah good post Dud

Balme and Caracella are both good appointments, especially Balmey. He is exactly who we needed in that position. Still about 4 assistants to come so hard to get excited about things that haven't happened yet but I am happy we are making the changes

As for Clarke I have no idea whether he will be a great recruiting Manager or not, but let me give you a tip ......neither do you or anyone else posting on this Board ! This idea that because he has come up through the ranks he is automatically no good is just a flawed argument especially when no one here has any idea of his abilities. There are so many assumptions being made about a guy based on nothing really. Many good appointments are made by seeing something in people coming through the ranks, that's how people become successful, they are given a chance.

 

[Harry]

Yep, give people a chance. That's all we are saying.

 

[asian tetley]

Yep the club has been lauding the sweeping changes made and yet to be made but when it all comes down to it all they have done in this extremely important department is shuffle the deck chairs on the Titanic. From what has been reported not one key person has been added to the recruiting department and the architect of the department's failure over the past 10 years has been offered a consulting role

Clarke has been part of arguably the worst recruiting department in the AFL for the past 10 years. We seriously need new blood in this area; new input and fresh idea. But of course the RFC once again refuses to acknowledge the obvious.

Clearly this is concerning.There was talk of Hine from CollinGwood at one stage.
If this is true then the club does recognize the need for improvements to be made to the recruiting department.
What i don't understand is why the club needed to appoint Clarke to the role now, when Francis is still responsible for this years draft.
Why not wait until this years trade is finished, and give Balme input into decisions made in the recruiting department?

Benny Gale and Dan Richardson have made this decision.
With the track records of both Gale and Richardson, this is cause for deep concern.
Balme should be making the decisions not Gale.

 

[Harry]

Clearly this is concerning.There was talk of Hine from CollinGwood at one stage.
If this is true then the club does recognize the need for improvements to be made to the recruiting department.
What i don't understand is why the club needed to appoint Clarke to the role now, when Francis is still responsible for this years draft.
Why not wait until this years trade is finished, and give Balme input into decisions made in the recruiting department?

Benny Gale and Dan Richardson have made this decision.
With the track records of both Gale and Richardson, this is cause for deep concern.
Balme should be making the decisions not Gale.

Yep common sense and logic don't exist at the club. Half arsed measures and putting the cart before the horse do.

 

[Ridley]

Arguably the worst , on what basis , we made three finals series amd most certainly didn't win the least number of games in that period . Quit the melodrama and use a genuine measuring stick

Melodrama : Nice hyperbole.

How about early draft picks and their performances.

Vickery, Conca, Lennon all fails as first rounders. How's Brandon Ellis tracking? What about the refusal to build midfield and instead draft flanker after flanker after flanker? What about the recruiting of so many rejects from other clubs. Hunt, Farmer, Townsend, Thomas, Thomson, Moore, to name but a few. The failure to build a list than can stand up in the heat of a final.

Clarke has been part of recruiting team that in over 10 years has failed to deliver a list that can win even one final.

There are many issues with regards to onfield performance at the RFC. Recruiting is one of the major problems. I would have thought a new set of eyes and fresh ideas in this key area was essential to improved performance.

But no steady as she goes at RFC. Let's retain the "architect" of the oh so successful program in a consultancy role.

 

[Ghost of 29]

None of us really know if Matt is any good or not. The only person who probably knows who is active in the media is Brett Anderson and he rates him. So lets hold fire for a sec.

But any major changes in recruiting CAN'T happen till after the draft. Their employment contracts would be until the day after the draft and would probably have some clauses in regards to speaking with other clubs and protection of the clubs recruiting IP.

So once the draft has finished we will see some changes to the setup. Would expect to have another 1-2 full time recruiters. I believe Richard Taylor is only part time now so depending on how they determine if this is adversely affecting his ability to see enough kids play will determine 1 or 2 new recruiters.

 

[Tigertough1974]

Yeah good post Dud

Balme and Caracella are both good appointments, especially Balmey. He is exactly who we needed in that position. Still about 4 assistants to come so hard to get excited about things that haven't happened yet but I am happy we are making the changes

As for Clarke I have no idea whether he will be a great recruiting Manager or not, but let me give you a tip ......neither do you or anyone else posting on this Board ! This idea that because he has come up through the ranks he is automatically no good is just a flawed argument especially when no one here has any idea of his abilities. There are so many assumptions being made about a guy based on nothing really. Many good appointments are made by seeing something in people coming through the ranks, that's how people become successful, they are given a chance.

Good post mate..

 

[Sintiger]

Yep, give people a chance. That's all we are saying.

Yep another good inciteful post.

What I am saying is that many times great appointments are made by seeing something in a person, putting them through a process and giving them an opportunity. How do people become good if they are never given the opportunity to show it?

You have no idea whether Clarke will be a gun recruitment manager or not. There is a lot of sheep mentality thinking that everything is wrong and everyone is crap at Tigerland going on at the moment.

 

[Sintiger]

Clearly this is concerning.There was talk of Hine from CollinGwood at one stage.
If this is true then the club does recognize the need for improvements to be made to the recruiting department.
What i don't understand is why the club needed to appoint Clarke to the role now, when Francis is still responsible for this years draft.
Why not wait until this years trade is finished, and give Balme input into decisions made in the recruiting department?

Benny Gale and Dan Richardson have made this decision.
With the track records of both Gale and Richardson, this is cause for deep concern.
Balme should be making the decisions not Gale.

Francis Jackson will not be responsible for this years draft. He is in the position on paper but he will not be the final decision maker.
Don't get mixed up between the what the org charts say to respect a loyal club servant before he leaves and who is actually making the decisions.

 

[Harry]

Yep another good inciteful post.

What I am saying is that many times great appointments are made by seeing something in a person, putting them through a process and giving them an opportunity. How do people become good if they are never given the opportunity to show it?

You have no idea whether Clarke will be a gun recruitment manager or not. There is a lot of sheep mentality thinking that everything is wrong and everyone is crap at Tigerland going on at the moment.

How did the club determine that he was the best avaliable for the recruiting manager role which will be the person responsible to build our next premiership list? Seems we just promoted a bloke who showed some reasonable attributes already in our system without throwing the net out.

I'm sick of the give them a chance attitudes - we did this with Dan Richardson and see where it's got us. What process did we go through when we appointed Dan? Did we search for the best available? Probably not. But it's all good now, we've got Balme.

 

[Tigertough1974]

How did the club determine that he was the best avaliable for the recruiting manager role which will be the person responsible to build our next premiership list? Seems we just promoted a bloke who showed some reasonable attributes already in our system without throwing the net out.

I'm sick of the give them a chance attitudes - we did this with Dan Richardson and see where it's got us. What process did we go through when we appointed Dan? Did we search for the best available? Probably not. But it's all good now, we've got Balme.

Your damned if you do, your damned if you don't...

What/which AFL club openly advises on interview and hiring process for their roles? that opens them up for criticism on both sides.... Which no doubt a lot of people on PRE love as thats all they do...

Before you say senior coach, thats a high profile role and whilst they advise of selection committee's, presentations etc the content is almost never open for public consumption so again its based on internal decisions, no different to this one..

 

[dimmauchump]

Francis Jackson will not be responsible for this years draft. He is in the position on paper but he will not be the final decision maker.
Don't get mixed up between the what the org charts say to respect a loyal club servant before he leaves and who is actually making the decisions.

So Francis Jackson wont be responsible but his side kick of 10 years will. Sounds promising!

 

[rocsta75]

How did the club determine that he was the best avaliable for the recruiting manager role which will be the person responsible to build our next premiership list? Seems we just promoted a bloke who showed some reasonable attributes already in our system without throwing the net out.

I'm sick of the give them a chance attitudes - we did this with Dan Richardson and see where it's got us. What process did we go through when we appointed Dan? Did we search for the best available? Probably not. But it's all good now, we've got Balme.

Harry u have made that assumption that they haven't thrown the net out. They may have and this is the outcome or they may not have. Furthermore, any new person from another club i am sure will ahve a gardening leave provision in their contract to after the draft anyway. I am surprised that Balme didn't or maybe that was some form of settlement with the CFC for being sideded

 

[IanG]

Harry u have made that assumption that they haven't thrown the net out. They may have and this is the outcome or they may not have.

Given that they almost certainly approached Hine I'd say they did.

 

[rocsta75]

Given that they almost certainly approached Hine I'd say they did.

I also heard they apporached Wells along with a few other clubs and said had no interest in moving either

 

[seven]

Given that they almost certainly approached Hine I'd say they did.

Did they tell him Hardwick was getting new assistants?
Surely they would have helped.

 

[Sintiger]

So Francis Jackson wont be responsible but his side kick of 10 years will. Sounds promising!

there is a bloke called Neil Balme there who is the boss of both of them

 

[jb03]

there is a bloke called Neil Balme there who is the boss of both of them

Balme won't be making the selections nor have any idea if they are any good.

 

[Sintiger]

How did the club determine that he was the best avaliable for the recruiting manager role which will be the person responsible to build our next premiership list? Seems we just promoted a bloke who showed some reasonable attributes already in our system without throwing the net out.

I'm sick of the give them a chance attitudes - we did this with Dan Richardson and see where it's got us. What process did we go through when we appointed Dan? Did we search for the best available? Probably not. But it's all good now, we've got Balme.

Ah yes ...it seems. The simple fact is you don't know it just seems that way.
You think he didn't get interviewed, asked to make a presentation, talk about his vision, defend his record ? You are making assumption after assumption because it seems that way.
Do you think Luke Beveridge was not someone given a chance, Alan Richardson, Don Pyke? Has every successful recruiter been in the top job before? Of course not.
You've got nothing, just the way it seems to you.
Stop crucifying people before they have even done the job.

 

[Harry]

Harry u have made that assumption that they haven't thrown the net out. They may have and this is the outcome or they may not have. Furthermore, any new person from another club i am sure will ahve a gardening leave provision in their contract to after the draft anyway. I am surprised that Balme didn't or maybe that was some form of settlement with the CFC for being sideded

You can assume they did I'll assume they didn't. I'll back my assumption. Trying to get Hine is not throwing the net out. Theres more fish out there. All if not most recruiters would be tied till after the draft. Based on Gales and Dans form they probably gave the job to a mate who showed some good attributes (to them at least). Don't forget there's a reason for our predicament- poor decisions by our board and executive team especially key football appointments.