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Matthew Clarke
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We've got a lot of work to do, to avoid falling off a cliff.
Ressies had 15 AFl listed players last week and got thrashed.
Ressies had 15 AFl listed players last week and got thrashed.
Another hindsight post.Oscar Allen or Liam Ryan
Imagine the other club supporters complaining about missing Balta or Bolton.
Goes both ways and the rear vision mirror serves no purpose.
You can bang on all you like about our failures but at the time our experts ( and other clubs experts ) had the best intel available and made a considered choice.
CCJ was captain of SA and looked a fair prospect. Oscar Allen captain of WA and similar quality although many considered him an in between size who was neither tall nor short. West Coast got the chocolates. He should have been top 5-10 players in the draft.
Higgins was the wrong positional player for us but the highest ranked player at our pick. Every man and his dog congratulated us as securing the steal of the draft. Wasn’t my first choice but what do I know?
The club has stated ad nauseam that they go best available with early picks. But it’s no exact science.
Higgins came straight into the team yr 1 (2018), played 20 games and would have been a premiership player if we didnt have our worst game of the year in the prelim. the following year he played our 1st 12 games until his brain leaked, probably coa\sting a spot in our premiership team. in 2020 he never quite got going, until he got going out the door.
2021 he kicked 1.4 goals/game for a pretty ordinary team, and ranked well in score involvements.
he hasnt kicked on as a mid (how much his tumor has set him back in unknown), but as a small forward he gets the ball, he kicks goals, and he gets involved in scores.
*smile* internet. My thumbs are svelte. Been known to stop traffic.
I wouldn't even begin to know how to speak for Ziffens but Jack and I are attempting to evaluate Clarke as a recruiter, not lay blame. Recruiters can only be judged after the evidence is in. It might seem harsh but that's the job. We can certainly examine his record for prejudices and blind spots. We can notice that after a few drafts of selecting footballers sluggish of foot and mind, he recently picked quick, elite decision-makers who kick it beautifully, and we can comment that it is a change.
Mark Dwyer scored Brownlow votes in each of his first five games, and three more in his seventh - which turned out to be the halfway point of his career.
I'm aware of what Higlet did and didn't do for us, I was at most of his games. He can take a mark, has good anticipation, kicks the odd freak goal, misses many more that would have George tearing his hair out, can't cover the ground defensively, and can be selfish. He walked out while contracted after we'd stood by him when he had the tumor, which cost us an actual premiership player in Butler.
We got a refund. I think it works out we got Judson Clarke and Tom Brown for Higlet and the chance to get Max Holmes. Say Brown for Holmes and Clarke for Higgo. Clarke is lightning and a superb kick. Looks like a correction to me.
Very simple explanation spook for that change, a good draft hand V 3 years of crap ones.
Nah, there was a noticeable shift in physical traits of our draftees compared to previous few years.
Nothing to do with pick number. We went back to the golden drafts that made us the quickest team in the league. Recent drafts are on the way to making us one of the slowest.
Nothing to do with pick number. We went back to the golden drafts that made us the quickest team in the league. Recent drafts are on the way to making us one of the slowest.
can't have it I'm afraid. Its much easier to pick 'quick, elite decision makers who kick it beautifully', ie good players, when you have early picks.
Talking more about guys with a pace, aerobic combination. That was almost our pre-requisite when building the premiership teams. A lot of those came even from rookie picks.
That focus definitely shifted. Do you not agree?
That focus definitely shifted. Do you not agree?
not really. Maybe. What do you reckon the focus was for 18/19/20? Load-up with players slow of foot and mind that don't have a tank?
Higlet was drafted at the exact same number as Brown, and Higgo, RCD and Dow were all taken roughly 10 spots earlier than Sonsie, Banks and Clarke.
You're comparing a few draft to a single one, which actually supports my point. I see no evidence to suggest that anything has changed. I think our approach has been to draft the player we believe is the best on the board, and it still is. The difference is not focus, its having more good picks.
Also your implication is that RCD and Dow won't make it but Banks and Clarke will. I'm as excited as you are about the latest crop, but there is a lot of water to go under the fridge before those calls can be made. An interesting thought, for me at least, statistically, if Gibbo, Brown and Sonsie make it, Banks and Clarke won't, barring an unheard-of mega jackpot draft, but who knows?
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My implication is that Banks and Clarke are fast runners who kick beautifully, and RCD and Dow aren't.
I don't think it does support your point. You must be squinting pretty fiercely, snake.
It does. So Banks and Clarke are fast skilled and smart, RCD and Dow are slow dumb butchers. Yes I have to agree that is a radical shift in focus
.The history of the Tigers drafting, and every other side I dare say, is littered with draftees who are fast skilled and smart, until they play a few games, or don't.
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We had similar picks in 2017 as 2021.
2017:
17 - short, fat, slow guy who can't kick
20 - short ruckman who can't jump
25 - athletic freak who kicks bags of wheat over the Murray and should have gone top 5
34 - slow, skinny, soft outside player whose kicking ain't all it's cracked up to be
2021:
9 - athletic freak who leaps tall buildings and should have gone top 5
17 - Fast, excellent kick, high footy intelligence
28 - Fast, excellent kick, high footy intelligence
29 - Fast, excellent kick, high footy intelligence
30 - Fast, excellent kick, high footy intelligence
2017:
17 - short, fat, slow guy who can't kick
20 - short ruckman who can't jump
25 - athletic freak who kicks bags of wheat over the Murray and should have gone top 5
34 - slow, skinny, soft outside player whose kicking ain't all it's cracked up to be
2021:
9 - athletic freak who leaps tall buildings and should have gone top 5
17 - Fast, excellent kick, high footy intelligence
28 - Fast, excellent kick, high footy intelligence
29 - Fast, excellent kick, high footy intelligence
30 - Fast, excellent kick, high footy intelligence
I've already said, 17 was objectively, statistically a win. Above the curve. Early signs for 21 are good.
Ha ha pretty funny. As DA said, the general wisdom at the time was Higgo was a good get, ditto CCJ, as I've said they weren't busts, and hopes were high for Naishy that he was 'fast, excellent kick, high footy intelligence', turned out, as you say, AAICUTB.
It will be interesting to revisit your '21 assessments in 2, 4 years
Might be a couple more AAICUTBs. But I hope not!
Ha ha pretty funny. As DA said, the general wisdom at the time was Higgo was a good get, ditto CCJ, as I've said they weren't busts, and hopes were high for Naishy that he was 'fast, excellent kick, high footy intelligence', turned out, as you say, AAICUTB.
It will be interesting to revisit your '21 assessments in 2, 4 years
Might be a couple more AAICUTBs. But I hope not!