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Matthew Clarke
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If they stuff it up we are in some strife too especially in regard to our talls.
We need quality in the middle and we need some KPP both forwards and defenders of real size and height and physical ability and agility and skill and they are not easy to find.
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Load up with qty in the middle first , we have a bit more time with talls , if a good tall defender avail then nail it
Best available at our 1st round picks. There might be a generational Kpp available.
Mids are easier to find. We should be able to find some gooduns it’s the picks we have.
As long as Clark and co get the selections down pat
Farkin Colonwood. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of arseholes
Will be a sad day when they get their *smile* togetherFarkin Colonwood. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of arseholes
Seriously? Garth gone?
He’s starting to produce his best footy ever
He's running past looking for more cheap handball receives than Shorty past couple games .....linkman ......
Understandable with his silky kicking action.He's running past looking for more cheap handball receives than Shorty past couple games .....linkman ......
That be the whole cunning plan Redders.
The oppo would never expect him to be the main man distributing outta defence its Brilliant!!
Recruiting since 2017 (imho).
2017 ND Higgins (R1), CCJ, Balta, Naish all R2), Miller. Rookie: Baker. 1st rounder Higgins a bust, F/S Naish a bust. CCJ tick, Balta boom, Baker boom. Plenty of quality at, and well after, Higgins pick (Sam Taylor would have been nice). Overall: didn't quite nail it.
2018: ND RCD (R1), Ross (R2), Turner, English (R3). Rookie: Aarts, Townsend, Chol. RCD not a worthy R1 and is a ?, man-child Ross is short and slow and has low ceiling, Turner & English busts. Aarts is a battler, Towner a wasted pick, Chol an understandable rookie selection. Overall: 2018 was a Bust.
2019: ND Dow (R1), Cumberland, Martyn, Ralph-Smith (all R3), Nyuon. Mid year: Pickett. Dow maybe? DE a worry. Cumberland maybe? Martyn just a battler, Ralph-Smith a maybe. Pickett tick. Overall: interupted development in 2020, blooded in 2021; jury still out, but exposed form suggests hope for kids to make it, rather than bullishness they will.
2020: ND Samson Ryan (pick 40), Maurice Rioli junior. Rookie: Matthew Parker. Ryan looks promising but likely will only impact from 2023 onwards. MRJ is undersized, not as clean with ball as hoped, and with a low possession game - only a maybe to make it. Parker was a short term top-up for an expected finals tilt and already looks a wasted pick to me (particularly after watching Sam Durham run around with the Bombers). Overall: Bust.
For contrast, since Jason Taylor left Collingwood for Melbourne, they have drafted:
2017: ND Spargo, Fritsch, Petty (all R2), and Oskar Baker (R3). More than handy R2 types.
2018: ND: Sparrow, Jordan (R2). Handy R2 types.
2019: ND: Jackson, Pickett (both R1), Rivers (R2). Nailed it big time.
2020: ND: Jake Bowey (R1), Laurie and Rossman (yet to play). Bowey has done well in his first year, was good v Lions.
The point here is not the 2019 golden haul of Jackson and Pickett, but the consistency of their R2+ selections.
I would say our last four draft years have been mixed at best.
Clearly our first round picks have been disappointing, even accounting for the fact that they were late first round - a lot of quality came after.
We might have a reasonable age demographic profile in our list, but only if you assume that the kids will come on and make the grade, and I have my doubts.
Having positioned well with 6 picks in the first three rounds, 2021 is obviously a hugely important draft for Richmond.
There is a lot riding on Matthew Clarke's shoulders and the lack of U18's games as reference points makes the task a lot harder for a bloke with a patchy track record.
But 2021 is the year he has to absolutely nail it.
2017 ND Higgins (R1), CCJ, Balta, Naish all R2), Miller. Rookie: Baker. 1st rounder Higgins a bust, F/S Naish a bust. CCJ tick, Balta boom, Baker boom. Plenty of quality at, and well after, Higgins pick (Sam Taylor would have been nice). Overall: didn't quite nail it.
2018: ND RCD (R1), Ross (R2), Turner, English (R3). Rookie: Aarts, Townsend, Chol. RCD not a worthy R1 and is a ?, man-child Ross is short and slow and has low ceiling, Turner & English busts. Aarts is a battler, Towner a wasted pick, Chol an understandable rookie selection. Overall: 2018 was a Bust.
2019: ND Dow (R1), Cumberland, Martyn, Ralph-Smith (all R3), Nyuon. Mid year: Pickett. Dow maybe? DE a worry. Cumberland maybe? Martyn just a battler, Ralph-Smith a maybe. Pickett tick. Overall: interupted development in 2020, blooded in 2021; jury still out, but exposed form suggests hope for kids to make it, rather than bullishness they will.
2020: ND Samson Ryan (pick 40), Maurice Rioli junior. Rookie: Matthew Parker. Ryan looks promising but likely will only impact from 2023 onwards. MRJ is undersized, not as clean with ball as hoped, and with a low possession game - only a maybe to make it. Parker was a short term top-up for an expected finals tilt and already looks a wasted pick to me (particularly after watching Sam Durham run around with the Bombers). Overall: Bust.
For contrast, since Jason Taylor left Collingwood for Melbourne, they have drafted:
2017: ND Spargo, Fritsch, Petty (all R2), and Oskar Baker (R3). More than handy R2 types.
2018: ND: Sparrow, Jordan (R2). Handy R2 types.
2019: ND: Jackson, Pickett (both R1), Rivers (R2). Nailed it big time.
2020: ND: Jake Bowey (R1), Laurie and Rossman (yet to play). Bowey has done well in his first year, was good v Lions.
The point here is not the 2019 golden haul of Jackson and Pickett, but the consistency of their R2+ selections.
I would say our last four draft years have been mixed at best.
Clearly our first round picks have been disappointing, even accounting for the fact that they were late first round - a lot of quality came after.
We might have a reasonable age demographic profile in our list, but only if you assume that the kids will come on and make the grade, and I have my doubts.
Having positioned well with 6 picks in the first three rounds, 2021 is obviously a hugely important draft for Richmond.
There is a lot riding on Matthew Clarke's shoulders and the lack of U18's games as reference points makes the task a lot harder for a bloke with a patchy track record.
But 2021 is the year he has to absolutely nail it.
there is a certain amount of luck in all National Draft and Rookie selections
We have all bemoaned our 2004 performance in the ND
Lids , Tambling , Meyer , Polo & Pattinson all within the top 20 and only 1 to have really made it
at the time I could see why they were taken , Polo pulled out a BOG in his first game and Pattinson , while he didn't fire in the AFL
he was consistently in the best 2-3 in the VFL week after week , alas spilt milk , look back and learn but dont get tied up in knots over it
I did a little exercise to look at the ND some year back and do a straw poll of how many made it 1-10, 11-20 , 21-30 ....
and surprise surprise over a 15 year period 1-10 had more "made it" than 11-20 and they had more than 21-30 ...
so the effort and smarts the Clubs put in does count for something
but being a pick 1-10 didn't guarentee you'd pick a winner we have our Tambling & JON stories
and outside us I can pluck two off the top of my head , Jack Watts and Josh Schache and there is plenty more 1-10 ND that dont make 100+ game players
I will be hopeful and nervous about how our top 2 picks turn out , our medium term future does rely on them
I know they track some players for 4 & 5 years so hopefully the last 2 covid years dont mess up our selection process
We have all bemoaned our 2004 performance in the ND
Lids , Tambling , Meyer , Polo & Pattinson all within the top 20 and only 1 to have really made it
at the time I could see why they were taken , Polo pulled out a BOG in his first game and Pattinson , while he didn't fire in the AFL
he was consistently in the best 2-3 in the VFL week after week , alas spilt milk , look back and learn but dont get tied up in knots over it
I did a little exercise to look at the ND some year back and do a straw poll of how many made it 1-10, 11-20 , 21-30 ....
and surprise surprise over a 15 year period 1-10 had more "made it" than 11-20 and they had more than 21-30 ...
so the effort and smarts the Clubs put in does count for something
but being a pick 1-10 didn't guarentee you'd pick a winner we have our Tambling & JON stories
and outside us I can pluck two off the top of my head , Jack Watts and Josh Schache and there is plenty more 1-10 ND that dont make 100+ game players
I will be hopeful and nervous about how our top 2 picks turn out , our medium term future does rely on them
I know they track some players for 4 & 5 years so hopefully the last 2 covid years dont mess up our selection process
Reckon Clarke’s record with second and third rounders compares well to Melbourne. Bolton, Graham, Balta, CCJ and even Ross have come from the second and third rounds. Agree that first rounders has been an issue although Higgins form this year as somewhat vindicated his selection. Don’t forget Clarke’s hand in the selections of Stack, Mansell and Pickett who have all made good contributions in their time at the club.
Overall, I think he’s done a good job given the picks that have been available to him. Yes, we’d like better results from our first rounders but this has been offset by other quality selections later in the draft m.
Why is Higgins a bust ?
He is a very good player, he played 43 games in 3 injury / illness riddled years with us then 17 out of 22 with the Aints
Not Clarkes fault he had brain surgery & then wanted out for whatever reason
We then got a decent 1st rd pick upgrade & a 2nd rounder in exchange for a 4th.
Id say thats a win
He is a very good player, he played 43 games in 3 injury / illness riddled years with us then 17 out of 22 with the Aints
Not Clarkes fault he had brain surgery & then wanted out for whatever reason
We then got a decent 1st rd pick upgrade & a 2nd rounder in exchange for a 4th.
Id say thats a win
Higgins is a good player but the wrong one for us.
In effect, we traded picks 17 (2017), 21 (2020) and 62 (2021) for Geelong's pick (14-18) and pick 28 this year .
Huge bust.
1st rounder playing at other club 2 years after drafting him is a bust.
Which ever way you look at it
