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Luke McGuane

Before the mud gets chucked, my defence of McGuane has more to do with my concerns with how Vickery is travelling than McGuane love.
I'm not for a minute suggesting Luke's our premiership CHF, in fact I am very concerned that I see him as our 2nd best forward option.
 
People had the same old concerns about Vickery early in 2011. 10 possessions in each of rounds 1 and 2, only 5 and 6 in Rd 4 and 5, and the knives were out. Now it's deja vu. Vickery will be judged after quite a number of games into the season. Serious injury, lack of real match practise, lack of confidence, typical scenario. Arguments about McGuane versus Vickery are just ridiculous. McGuane is a stop-gap measure. We need a Vickery, Griffiths, Astbury, Elton type to step up within the next couple of years and make a forward position theirs. If we're still relying on McGuane by the end of this year then we're going nowhere as premiership aspirants.
 
GoodOne said:
People had the same old concerns about Vickery early in 2011. 10 possessions in each of rounds 1 and 2, only 5 and 6 in Rd 4 and 5, and the knives were out. Now it's deja vu. Vickery will be judged after quite a number of games into the season. Serious injury, lack of real match practise, lack of confidence, typical scenario. Arguments about McGuane versus Vickery are just ridiculous. McGuane is a stop-gap measure. We need a Vickery, Griffiths, Astbury, Elton type to step up within the next couple of years and make a forward position theirs. If we're still relying on McGuane by the end of this year then we're going nowhere as premiership aspirants.
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Agree. Tyro just needs to get into the groove with H&A games and phase back into 100% form through the seniors. I'd rather play O'Hanlon at HFF instead of McGun but I suppose he'll have to show form from Coburg first. Airhead Edwards is a complete waste of time and should've been rookied instead of accepted as a trade.
 
GoodOne said:
People had the same old concerns about Vickery early in 2011.
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Not the same old concerns that I recall, unless he'd had major shoulder surgery on both arms in 2011.

FWIW I think it's absolutely valid that we compare our next best key forward options to each other, no matter how good people think they are.

If anything despite being shorter McGuane has a far more natural key forward qualities than TV right now. What he doesn't have is Tyrone's ability to relieve in the ruck.
 
Don't be fooled. In musical terms McGuane is an album song. He fills a gap that has to be filled but will never be a hit.
 
Tigers of Old said:
If anything despite being shorter McGuane has a far more natural key forward qualities than TV right now. What he doesn't have is Tyrone's ability to relieve in the ruck.
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McGuane and 'natural' don't go together. He has been playing for what 8 years now at AFL level and all he's proven to be is a very average skilled player with a huge desire, that's it, what you see is what you get. TV has already shown much more in that position over his career thus far. And yes the ruck aspect is a very important point. I still believe Vickery can become a top-notch ruckman. Still young and learning the caper.
 
GoodOne said:
McGuane and 'natural' don't go together. He has been playing for what 8 years now at AFL level and all he's proven to be is a very average skilled player with a huge desire, that's it, what you see is what you get.
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I just don't get the determination to pigeonhole him.
The fact is that at senior level, he's had very few games in the forward line which is the position he played as a junior.
Whilst he still some awkward mistakes up front they are nowhere near as punishing as they were in defence and the strengths he has as a player are a far better fit up forward.
He's a poor field kick but he's a pretty reliable set shot. He hits packs hard and has a fairly strong set of mits.
Along with his competitiveness he also has good speed and applies a lot of pressure to opposition defenders bringing the ball out.
A lot of these skills are much better suited to a player who's forward rather than in defence.

GoodOne said:
TV has already shown much more in that position over his career thus far.
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Sure he did 2 seasons ago but what's he offering as a key forward right now after his major shoulder surgery. That's the pertinent question IMO.

GoodOne said:
I still believe Vickery can become a top-notch ruckman. Still young and learning the caper.
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Obviously that's what we all hope but if Tyrone is going to be a top notch ruck or KPF for that matter then he's going to have to get a lot more competitive than he appears currently.
Strength wise he needs a lot of work. I also wonder if he has enough of a vertical leap for either position.
Fingers crossed but for a footballer drafted at pick 8, he is still a long way off being an elite playe at this stage IMO.
 
Not taking the p!ss here but I cant see why McGuane cant play a similar role to LRT of Sydney.




Player Statistics Comparison - Seaon 2012

Lewis Roberts-Thomson Luke McGuane
170 Games Games 93
30 years old 26 years old

194cm Height 192cm
94kg Weight 92kg
2012 Stats for Season 2012
22 Games 9
5.7 Kicks Per Game 5.9
4.4 Handballs Per Game 4.8
10.1 Disposals Per Game 10.7
3.4 Marks Per Game 3.4
1.1 Goals Per Game 1.7
0.4 Behinds Per Game 1.1
2.1 Tackles Per Game 3.4
1.6 Hitouts Per Game 1.4
1.0 Frees For Per Game 0.2
0.8 Frees Against Per Game 1.4
4.7 Contested Possessions Per Game 5.8
5.8 Uncontested Possessions Per Game 5.1
7.1 Effective Disposals Per Game 7.4
70.3% Effective Disposals % Per Game 69.2%
1.6 Clangers Per Game 2.2
0.7 Contested Marks Per Game 1.4
0.8 Marks Inside 50 Per Game 1.4
0.4 Clearances Per Game 0.4
0.4 Rebound 50s Per Game 0.1
2.1 One Percenters Per Game 2.8
0 Bounces Per Game 0
80.4 Time On Ground % Per Game 94.1
 
Smoking Aces said:
Not taking the p!ss here but I cant see why McGuane cant play a similar role to LRT of Sydney.
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They have one thing in common, before last year's finals I have heard LRT referred to by Swans supporters in the same way Richmond fans talk about McGuane.
 
Tigers of Old said:
I just don't get the determination to pigeonhole him.
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I hope he works out for you. I'm not expecting a miracle.

Tigers of Old said:
Sure he did 2 seasons ago but what's he offering as a key forward right now after his major shoulder surgery. That's the pertinent question IMO.
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Same as he did pre-season 2011. We'll find out over the next few weeks.

Tigers of Old said:
Obviously that's what we all hope but if Tyrone is going to be a top notch ruck or KPF for that matter then he's going to have to get a lot more competitive than he appears currently.
Strength wise he needs a lot of work. I also wonder if he has enough of a vertical leap for either position.
Fingers crossed but for a footballer drafted at pick 8, he is still a long way off being an elite playe at this stage IMO.
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How many super-competitive, elite 200cm ruckmen at 22yo can you reel off your tongue? Or even average? Of course he has a lot of work in front of him. His tap rucking has been under-estimated or just not noticed. Even last year, with the limited rucking he was doing, he was often winning the day of all ruckmen for percentage taps to advantage. Just give the poor boy time. Comparing him negatively to McGuane is just stupid. Look macro, not micro.
 
GoodOne said:
How many super-competitive, elite 200cm ruckmen at 22yo can you reel off your tongue? Or even average? Of course he has a lot of work in front of him. His tap rucking has been under-estimated or just not noticed. Even last year, with the limited rucking he was doing, he was often winning the day of all ruckmen for percentage taps to advantage. Just give the poor boy time. Comparing him negatively to McGuane is just stupid. Look macro, not micro.
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I'm getting tired of the vickery bashing. And the fact people compare vickery and mcguane when they clearly play different positions is frustrating.
 
btoz_01 said:
In 2012-

Vickery 9 games 41 kicks 21 marks 21 tackles 7 goals 5 behinds
McGuane 9 games 53 kick 31 marks 31 tackles 15 goals 10 behinds
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is that a fair comparison? TV played most, if not all of his 2012 games injured.

TigerMasochist said:
Jaack n Swish as the designated one two tall forwards cop all the heat and allow Laceout as the third tall to sneak under the radar.
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english please?
 
Ian4 said:
is that a fair comparison? TV played most, if not all of his 2012 games injured.
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Of course its a fair comparison ;D
I expect McGuane once again to kick more than TV in 2013

:gotigers
 
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