Luke McGuane

[Tigers of Old]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

Let's see if McGuane can perform well against Freo.

Yep. Next two weeks are crunch ones for Luke with list decisions to be made. Needs to kick goals against quality opponents.
If he can do that he'll get another year.
As a free agent he may find a better option elsewhere though. You never know what other clubs are thinking.

 

[Scoop]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

Yep. Next two weeks are crunch ones for Luke with list decisions to be made.

That's flat out wrong, I think we know what we will get with McGuane. The next two weeks should have no impoact on if he goes and stays.

That thinking is Richmond 2002.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

I personally think it's between Post and McGuane. Luke's definitely in the box seat at present. As FFW said he's an insurance option.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

That's flat out wrong, I think we know what we will get with McGuane. The next two weeks should have no impoact on if he goes and stays.

Why? Fair difference between being a forward and a defender I would have thought.
New to the gig, McGuane is having some impact there no doubt. Jake King was going to get delisted a couple of years back too..

 

[No 4]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

I personally think it's between Post and McGuane. Luke's definitely in the box seat at present. As FFW said he's an insurance option.

Might be right. However, with Moore, Miller and Conners gone, Mcguane and post may still be at the club. This I don't mind, considering the three spots plus Mcdonald available.

 

[Punxsutawney Phil]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

I reckon the club will want him to stay (whether he does or not is another issue).

Ideally he wouldnt be in the seniors, but then again neither would be about 16 other players on the list.

We can't just fill the reserves with kids, because when we have injuries like we have had, they come into the seniors and give virtually nothing.

IMO its simply a matter of changing the insurance policy from Miller to McGuane. McGuane costs a bit more as he is on the senior list, but their roles would be almost identical.....playing a role in the side until/unless someone better can do the job.

Just keep him away from the backline. Please.

 

[Scoop]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

Why? Fair difference between being a forward and a defender I would have thought.
New to the gig, McGuane is having some impact there no doubt. Jake King was going to get delisted a couple of years back too..

Doesn't matter what spot he plays, he is what he is. Not going to get better. It's the same debate, day after day with McGuane,White & Jackson maybe they will get better in a new role. They are the same footballers, making the same mistakes. And judging McGuane in our soft part of the draw is crazy. Look at the output of the entire year, the last eight years. These last two weeks mean nothing on his future for me. Should be gone. If he gets a year extension it's typical Richmond list management.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

Doesn't matter what spot he plays, he is what he is. Not going to get better. It's the same debate, day after day with McGuane,White & Jackson maybe they will get better in a new role. They are the same footballers, making the same mistakes. And judging McGuane in our soft part of the draw is crazy. Look at the output of the entire year, the last eight years. These last two weeks mean nothing on his future for me. Should be gone. If he gets a year extension it's typical Richmond list management.

Fair enough Scoop. You've been hanging to get rid of Luke for a long time so I don't really expect much less than this POV. To me he looks substantially more comfortable as a forward but is it good enough? Anyways we'll see what unfolds soon enough.

 

[tigerdave]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

Why? Fair difference between being a forward and a defender I would have thought.
New to the gig, McGuane is having some impact there no doubt. Jake King was going to get delisted a couple of years back too..

Yeah,i'm with you ToO.Luke has done nothing wrong since been given chance up forward.

 

[Barnzy]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

As a free agent he may find a better option elsewhere though. You never know what other clubs are thinking.

Funny. :hihi

No other clubs will go near him. His best bet is Richmond giving him another contract.

 

[Barnzy]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

Doesn't matter what spot he plays, he is what he is. Not going to get better. It's the same debate, day after day with McGuane,White & Jackson maybe they will get better in a new role. They are the same footballers, making the same mistakes. And judging McGuane in our soft part of the draw is crazy. Look at the output of the entire year, the last eight years. These last two weeks mean nothing on his future for me. Should be gone. If he gets a year extension it's typical Richmond list management.

Bang on.

Amazed at the sudden turn around in perception of the likes of McGuane, White, Jackson etc after a couple of wins against poor opponents in the back end of the season.

Seems people never learn. Let's see if the club has.

 

[evo]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

That's flat out wrong, I think we know what we will get with McGuane. The next two weeks should have no impoact on if he goes and stays.

That thinking is Richmond 2002.

good post. well said. Agree.

 

[Tigion]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

lol @ the luke knockers all year you guys have been winging about our fwd line finally we have someone who's willing to chase and can kick and create goals and ya still winging
cant ask any more of luke for what he's done so far regardless of the opposition like ive said before with a fit 2011 vickery luke could play that 3rd tall / medium fwd adds another dimension to the fwd line and adds the defensive pressure we have been lacking and as for he's faults he has like jackson tuck white edwards and co its there attitude and persistence thats has them in our club we cant have out and out team of superstars

 

[Scoop]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

Fair enough Scoop. You've been hanging to get rid of Luke for a long time so I don't really expect much less than this POV. To me he looks substantially more comfortable as a forward but is it good enough? Anyways we'll see what unfolds soon enough.

But think Tooheys, when Vickery is up and firing as that second forward, McGuane is no longer required. We rarely operate with the three talls and I would think that Elton can fill that role. I would rather invest in him then continue to play Miller and McGuane. Even if we get Chaplin, I think Griffiths is suited to third tall forward and again takes away the needs for McGuane. I am far from sold on Griff but I would rather invest in him then have a player who is not going to get any better.

When the side was up and firing and playing its best football, McGuane was at Coburg and wasn't close to getting a sniff. A slew of injuries is the only reason he is getting a gig. To think that we need around next year in this role is crazy. If anything, it will further reduce the advancement of Elton & Girffiths because we want them playing the key roles in the VFL over extended games.

 

[turk-d-tiger]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

Lets just try to get McGun to kick as many goals as he can to improve his value in trade week, Hopefully Port Think he will be the next Shultz or Sheeds wants a mature Foward :rofl

 

[PBoRSM]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

Bang on.

Amazed at the sudden turn around in perception of the likes of McGuane, White, Jackson etc after a couple of wins against poor opponents in the back end of the season.

Seems people never learn. Let's see if the club has.

What annoys me is the suggestion that we get rid of players because they are no good without a suggestion of who replaces them.
Have we got a better CHF than McGuane or a better run with tagger than Jackson or a better back up HFF than White?

No we don't. You know how I know???

Because if we did, they'd be in the team each week!!!!!!

I wish we could afford to delist/trade McGuane, but this year has proved that we can't just yet. He has been better than Miller (past it) TV (personal issues) Griff, Astbury, Post (all three proving to be better backs right now), Graham, X Man, Browne (Ruck anyway, but not good enough yet/anymore). So please tell me - when we get rid of him, who plays CHF for us next year??

And when Jackson goes, who plays the tagging role?

I agree with your unwritten sentiment that RFC can't win a flag till these players are no longer in our best 30 players, but unfortunately at the moment they are in our best 22!!

 

[Tenacious]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

What annoys me is the suggestion that we get rid of players because they are no good without a suggestion of who replaces them.

Eureka!!!
And even if it's suggested that we'd have an extra couple of late draft picks doesn't always cut it with me either.
Which is why on McGuane I'd be happy to keep him on as a backup in the squad.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

TV has personal issues? I thought it was a shoulder injury. If there's a fit list, there simply isn't a place for McGuane, he is an insurance option at best.

 

[Baloo]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

TV has personal issues? I thought it was a shoulder injury. If there's a fit list, there simply isn't a place for McGuane, he is an insurance option at best.

In a season like next year where we just have to reach finals, going into a season without some insurance would be a very risky move. Better to have a McGuane type to fall back on if we have a string of KPF injuries than an untried kid. The kids are better off being blooded when they have our best KPFs around them.

 

[Tygrys]

Re: Luke McGuane = Guts

What annoys me is the suggestion that we get rid of players because they are no good without a suggestion of who replaces them.
Have we got a better CHF than McGuane or a better run with tagger than Jackson or a better back up HFF than White?

No we don't. You know how I know???

Because if we did, they'd be in the team each week!!!!!!

I wish we could afford to delist/trade McGuane, but this year has proved that we can't just yet. He has been better than Miller (past it) TV (personal issues) Griff, Astbury, Post (all three proving to be better backs right now), Graham, X Man, Browne (Ruck anyway, but not good enough yet/anymore). So please tell me - when we get rid of him, who plays CHF for us next year??

And when Jackson goes, who plays the tagging role?

I agree with your unwritten sentiment that RFC can't win a flag till these players are no longer in our best 30 players, but unfortunately at the moment they are in our best 22!!

This sounds little like something from the Terry Wallace school of list management ie "never delist a player no-matter how mediocre and invest in youth if you run the slightest risk of stagnating or going backwards in the short-term, the here and now rules, the future will effectively take care of itself (or at the very least by then I'll have another big fat contract signed so it won't really matter any more)."

Yep Richmond can't win a premiership with them, and they aint part of the core group of very talented young players that the club has already assembled. There is nothing wrong in temporarily taking one step backwards to take two steps forward by investing in the draft. There is nothing wrong in making a tough call on senior players that play well against weak opposition but are appalling against the strong. I mean are they list cloggers or not? Can you develop a list as strong as Collingwood, Geelong or Hawthorn whilst you hang onto them or is that a contradiction in terms? Frankly with the list being where it is, can't see us winning a spoon by the delisting the likes of White, Jackson or McGuanne etc any more than winning a premiership by hanging on to them. To be honest they are exactly the kind of players we should be looking to move on.