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Luke McGuane
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Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Miller is a much better lead up forward because he understands how to play the role. That helps to provide space further up the ground because he provides either a genuine second option and takes a mark, or gives Jack the space to operate in.
McGuane plays like a pack forward, being the seond or third man at the contest. Nothing wrong with that, but it has to suit your gameplan.
I think we have seen lately that the forward press requires us to be more vigilant about creating space for Jack to move in. We haven't got it quite right, and consequently our forward line looks terribly crowded. And we lack the true smalll forwards for a congested forward line as well.
Look, I prefer McGuane to Miller. One might be part of the future, the other definately isn't. But I do think people are overselling McGuane on the basis of some games against weak opposition, and underselling Miller's efforts for the bulk of his time in the side.
Tigers of Old said:
Miller is a much better lead up forward because he understands how to play the role. That helps to provide space further up the ground because he provides either a genuine second option and takes a mark, or gives Jack the space to operate in.
McGuane plays like a pack forward, being the seond or third man at the contest. Nothing wrong with that, but it has to suit your gameplan.
I think we have seen lately that the forward press requires us to be more vigilant about creating space for Jack to move in. We haven't got it quite right, and consequently our forward line looks terribly crowded. And we lack the true smalll forwards for a congested forward line as well.
Look, I prefer McGuane to Miller. One might be part of the future, the other definately isn't. But I do think people are overselling McGuane on the basis of some games against weak opposition, and underselling Miller's efforts for the bulk of his time in the side.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Cheers Streaker. Fair analysis with some solid points.
Equally I think McGuane's bringing some things to the forward line that Miller struggled with such as defensive pressure, the ability to take a pack mark and create goals.
However your point against weak opposition is most valid.
The McGuane as a forward experiment is still currently a novelty.
A couple of far more testing games coming up over the next 2 weeks against teams scrambling to make the 8.
Be interesting to see if he has any impact in those games. I'm thinking they will have a lot of bearing on his future.
Streak said:
Cheers Streaker. Fair analysis with some solid points.
Equally I think McGuane's bringing some things to the forward line that Miller struggled with such as defensive pressure, the ability to take a pack mark and create goals.
However your point against weak opposition is most valid.
The McGuane as a forward experiment is still currently a novelty.
A couple of far more testing games coming up over the next 2 weeks against teams scrambling to make the 8.
Be interesting to see if he has any impact in those games. I'm thinking they will have a lot of bearing on his future.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
I wouldn't have a problem with him being given one more year, certainly he is ahead of Miller. I would hope that he plays the whole year at Coburg, however he does represent some (*smile*) depth which as we have learnt this year is still important. I would give him a spot on next year's list also ahead of White - certainly has more value IMO. Ultimately it will come down to who goes before him and how many picks we want/free agents we can bring in.
Must say that I feel dirty writing this. Have been waiting for years to see him gone!
I wouldn't have a problem with him being given one more year, certainly he is ahead of Miller. I would hope that he plays the whole year at Coburg, however he does represent some (*smile*) depth which as we have learnt this year is still important. I would give him a spot on next year's list also ahead of White - certainly has more value IMO. Ultimately it will come down to who goes before him and how many picks we want/free agents we can bring in.
Must say that I feel dirty writing this. Have been waiting for years to see him gone!
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We took Dea, Webberley & Nason all before Grimes & thats just scary to look back on.
Rance= yep, Grimes, crikey took us until the PSD to pick him & he was over looked by everyone even though was rated somewhere in the 20's before the draft!lamb22 said:
We took Dea, Webberley & Nason all before Grimes & thats just scary to look back on.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Better than Post as a defender, better than Miller as a forward, surprisingly reasonable as a back-up ruckman.
Should stay for another year at least. A depth player who can play multiple key positions is exactly what you want.
Better than Post as a defender, better than Miller as a forward, surprisingly reasonable as a back-up ruckman.
Should stay for another year at least. A depth player who can play multiple key positions is exactly what you want.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Easy tiger, let's not get ahead of ourselves. One year at minimum/modest salary with incentives for senior games played. Even consider a rookie position.tonemaster said:
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Gone too early I think soundwave. Post is coming along nicely. He has time on his side.tonemaster said:
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Got a feelin Laceout's been havin a blast these last few weeks.
Must have been staring fairly hard at the open exit door early in the season.
Couple of injuries n a bit of dodgy form, all of a sudden Lukeys takin hangs n bagging a few sausages in the ones, amazing how quickly things can change.
Got a feelin Laceout's been havin a blast these last few weeks.
Must have been staring fairly hard at the open exit door early in the season.
Couple of injuries n a bit of dodgy form, all of a sudden Lukeys takin hangs n bagging a few sausages in the ones, amazing how quickly things can change.
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And seriously, full credit to him for not dropping his head when he was relegated. From all accounts gave 100% at Coburg no matter where they played him and was also playing a leadership role helping the kids. There isn't more you could have asked of Luke.
It's why I don't have much respect for Webberley. By all accounts he gave up a while back.
TigerMasochist said:
And seriously, full credit to him for not dropping his head when he was relegated. From all accounts gave 100% at Coburg no matter where they played him and was also playing a leadership role helping the kids. There isn't more you could have asked of Luke.
It's why I don't have much respect for Webberley. By all accounts he gave up a while back.
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Has done well in the past few weeks. I think he's shown enough to warrant 1 more year (depth player). If he reverts back to the same old McGuane next year it becomes an easy decision.
Has done well in the past few weeks. I think he's shown enough to warrant 1 more year (depth player). If he reverts back to the same old McGuane next year it becomes an easy decision.
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Interesting Baloo, I liked what I saw early from Webbs, didn't look like being "elite" but had IMO the makings of a useful midfield rotationist. Shame. On Muscles, agree 100%, that kind of attitude and application (starting to sound like Grant Thomas -holy crap!) is exactly what we need.Baloo said:
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Had a good conversation about Port with my son yesterday.
Some of you may remember that my son became a Port supporter in his Primary school years, watched them lose two Preliminary Finals, then gloried in their Premiership of 2004. Blair Hartley may remember him as the mid-teenage kid that used to hang around him during the U18 Champs during the mid to late 2Ks. My son is now in his early 20s and works in the Prahran bars where many of the current and former AFL players haunt. His stories are very interesting but many are confidential.
Anyway, his thoughts on Chaplin were immediate that he hesitates in contested situations and this has been the significant factor in why he has been at best a good but not excellent tall defender. At 26yo, it's unlikely now that Chaplin will overcome that inner sense of hesitation at contested situations.
For talls, he believes Westhoff is their best tall, very good skills, agility & awareness, except that his body remains under-developed. Although, he thought Westhoff was still 23yo, whereas he is now 25yo, which casts doubt on him being young enough to develop his body.
Mind you, I remember Kelvin Templeton developing as a CHF mid-career, under Royce Hart's tuition, circa 1980.
My son believes the player that has the most significant influence on Port's success is Jacob Surjan, an outside small. Surjan's long & effective kicking to target is what determines whether Port wins or loses. Unfortunately, over the last 3 years, Surjan has been badly affected by injury, although he is still 26yo. My son reckons that a fit Surjan in a rising team could be as significant as Stuart Dew was for Hawthorn in 2008.
His final view on Port is that they were an AFL contrivance. As soon as they won a premiership, the AFL money and guidance ended. They are now broke, without leadership, and have insufficient support to be anything more than making up the numbers.
lamb22 said:
Had a good conversation about Port with my son yesterday.
Some of you may remember that my son became a Port supporter in his Primary school years, watched them lose two Preliminary Finals, then gloried in their Premiership of 2004. Blair Hartley may remember him as the mid-teenage kid that used to hang around him during the U18 Champs during the mid to late 2Ks. My son is now in his early 20s and works in the Prahran bars where many of the current and former AFL players haunt. His stories are very interesting but many are confidential.
Anyway, his thoughts on Chaplin were immediate that he hesitates in contested situations and this has been the significant factor in why he has been at best a good but not excellent tall defender. At 26yo, it's unlikely now that Chaplin will overcome that inner sense of hesitation at contested situations.
For talls, he believes Westhoff is their best tall, very good skills, agility & awareness, except that his body remains under-developed. Although, he thought Westhoff was still 23yo, whereas he is now 25yo, which casts doubt on him being young enough to develop his body.
Mind you, I remember Kelvin Templeton developing as a CHF mid-career, under Royce Hart's tuition, circa 1980.
My son believes the player that has the most significant influence on Port's success is Jacob Surjan, an outside small. Surjan's long & effective kicking to target is what determines whether Port wins or loses. Unfortunately, over the last 3 years, Surjan has been badly affected by injury, although he is still 26yo. My son reckons that a fit Surjan in a rising team could be as significant as Stuart Dew was for Hawthorn in 2008.
His final view on Port is that they were an AFL contrivance. As soon as they won a premiership, the AFL money and guidance ended. They are now broke, without leadership, and have insufficient support to be anything more than making up the numbers.
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Surely it's not as simple as AFL support = success, no support = failure? Bit of a cop out.
They started with a very young side, much as several of the other recent premiers did, and Richmond has done under Hardwick. They refurbished their very old premiership team and made another GF a few years later, but 2007 was the end of the road. Their situation reeks of where we found ourselves three years in under Wallace, except Port have no Richo/Bowden/Brown to win the odd game for them. They've tried to do a Sydney and not bottom out, and screwed it up royally.
Phantom said:
Surely it's not as simple as AFL support = success, no support = failure? Bit of a cop out.
They started with a very young side, much as several of the other recent premiers did, and Richmond has done under Hardwick. They refurbished their very old premiership team and made another GF a few years later, but 2007 was the end of the road. Their situation reeks of where we found ourselves three years in under Wallace, except Port have no Richo/Bowden/Brown to win the odd game for them. They've tried to do a Sydney and not bottom out, and screwed it up royally.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
spot on, 3 months ago he was gone gone gone gone gone, now a certainty for his valuable versatility, and i musy say, in the backline i would *smile* myself anytime he got the ball, in the forward line looks almost (wait for it) CLASSY :hihitonemaster said:
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As Tigers, we need to sit forward and really appreciate what we have.
Richmond has excellent supporters who have given repeatedly to the club in both money and time.
It is from within that Richmond as a club is developing.
Richmond has not received anything special from the AFL apart from that every other club receives.
Whether it be Board members who give their time, resources & energy.
Supporters who create and grow new Coterie & Supporter Groups.
Or ordinary supporters who just keep coming back week to week giving their support.
Port are broke.
They lack enough supporters.
Their leadership died when Scott did, and when Williams departed.
And that's with the AFL "propping" them up with several millions of dollars.
Again, one questions whether this AFL expansion is merely a "bubble" set to explode when and if the value of the TV rights ever decline.
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
As Tigers, we need to sit forward and really appreciate what we have.
Richmond has excellent supporters who have given repeatedly to the club in both money and time.
It is from within that Richmond as a club is developing.
Richmond has not received anything special from the AFL apart from that every other club receives.
Whether it be Board members who give their time, resources & energy.
Supporters who create and grow new Coterie & Supporter Groups.
Or ordinary supporters who just keep coming back week to week giving their support.
Port are broke.
They lack enough supporters.
Their leadership died when Scott did, and when Williams departed.
And that's with the AFL "propping" them up with several millions of dollars.
Again, one questions whether this AFL expansion is merely a "bubble" set to explode when and if the value of the TV rights ever decline.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Port Power have the worst stadium deal in the country and a small supporter group who have two teams to support- the Power and the traditional Port Adelaide Magpies in the SANFL. That is not a good combination.
They can thank their lucky stars that Mark Williams was able to build a decent team for them. He was able to combine some classy home-town talent like Lade, the Cornes brothers, Francou, Michael Wilson and Tredrea with a solid group of rejects from other clubs like Primus, Pickett, Hardwick, the Carrs, Schofield AND a superstar in Wanganeen. WIlliams was also one of the first coaches to really put an emphasis on kciking skills, which everybody does now.
They lost their way big-time once Williams worked out he was on the outer.
Port Power have the worst stadium deal in the country and a small supporter group who have two teams to support- the Power and the traditional Port Adelaide Magpies in the SANFL. That is not a good combination.
They can thank their lucky stars that Mark Williams was able to build a decent team for them. He was able to combine some classy home-town talent like Lade, the Cornes brothers, Francou, Michael Wilson and Tredrea with a solid group of rejects from other clubs like Primus, Pickett, Hardwick, the Carrs, Schofield AND a superstar in Wanganeen. WIlliams was also one of the first coaches to really put an emphasis on kciking skills, which everybody does now.
They lost their way big-time once Williams worked out he was on the outer.
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That is an interesting view.
There is a precedent for this as it is exactly what happened to Basketball in this country. It went from having a thriving NBL that was built on giving a pathway to the large numbers of kids playing the sport, mainly in the bigger cities. It lost its way when it ignored the grass-roots and started to expand into regional markets where the game was nowhere near as popular.
You are right. The expansion is propped up by the Billion-dollar TV rights. Should Australians ever decide to forego their Pay TV subscriptions and find other ways to watch their footy, the expansion clubs are stuffed.
THis is a very high brow discussion for a Luke McGuane thread, though.
Phantom said:
That is an interesting view.
There is a precedent for this as it is exactly what happened to Basketball in this country. It went from having a thriving NBL that was built on giving a pathway to the large numbers of kids playing the sport, mainly in the bigger cities. It lost its way when it ignored the grass-roots and started to expand into regional markets where the game was nowhere near as popular.
You are right. The expansion is propped up by the Billion-dollar TV rights. Should Australians ever decide to forego their Pay TV subscriptions and find other ways to watch their footy, the expansion clubs are stuffed.
THis is a very high brow discussion for a Luke McGuane thread, though.
Re: Luke McGuane = Guts
Yeah, I'm happy for him and he looks like he's enjoying himself but seriously if the RFC fall for retaining him ......... He;'s doing ok against poor teams in after the heat has gone out of the season.Baloo said:
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