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Little things that annoy you....

Remember the metal rubbish bins back in the day all dented and the lids didn't fit on them. Blokes with builds like Billy Barrot, running in front of the truck and throwing them in.

The good old days.

I bet Billy was letting Big Nick know all about it, you can see him glance across as Billy he ran past him.
 
Remember the metal rubbish bins back in the day all dented and the lids didn't fit on them. Blokes with builds like Billy Barrot, running in front of the truck and throwing them in.

1 metal bin for a family of 6, vegie scraps went into the compost in the vegie patch. Empty booze bottles went to the scouts, soft drink n milk bottles went back to the store or the milko for clean n reuse. Groceries n other products bought from the shops generally wrapped in paper instead of plastic trays n most shoppers had their own string bags n shopping jeeps to cart their purchases around. Reckon households generated about 10% of the waste back then compared to what they do now.
 
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1 metal bin for a family of 6, vegie scraps went into the compost in the vegie patch. Empty booze bottles went to the scouts, soft drink n milk bottles went back to the store or the milko for clean n reuse. Groceries n other products bought from the shops generally wrapped in paper instead of plastic trays n most shoppers had their own string bags n shopping jeeps to cart their purchases around. Reckon households generated about 10% of the waste back then compared to what they do now.
More of the good old days.

I remember poor old mum with 3 young, out of control kids in tow, getting someone from the supermarket to help carry the shopping bags (paper) out to the old Vanguard car, them were the days.
 
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The whole density thing in and around transport hubs makes sense on face value eg Camberwell, Ringwood whatever. But the reality is that unlike places like NYC, Paris, London etc we do not have the high level PT coverage like they do. You can just about get anywhere in those cities on PT. Not so in Melbourne.

To that end, people in apartments still require a car - or at least they seem to feel they do.

Must admit, pretty hard to go to Bunnings or IKEA or take the kids to some schools out in the burbs on a train or tram, or get to a golf course or whatever on PT.

Places like Camberwell - Bourke Road are traffic disasters already so can't imagine what'll be like with heaps of 9 storey apartments. You won't be able to get in or out by car. You won't be able to park anywhere if you can.

Real issue is a lack of PT investment that should have started 50 years ago (or more).
Camberwell with come to a standstill. You can already see it with apartments that have been built that the cars parking around them shows that they have not enough off street spaces.
 
The whole density thing in and around transport hubs makes sense on face value eg Camberwell, Ringwood whatever. But the reality is that unlike places like NYC, Paris, London etc we do not have the high level PT coverage like they do. You can just about get anywhere in those cities on PT. Not so in Melbourne.

To that end, people in apartments still require a car - or at least they seem to feel they do.

Must admit, pretty hard to go to Bunnings or IKEA or take the kids to some schools out in the burbs on a train or tram, or get to a golf course or whatever on PT.

Places like Camberwell - Bourke Road are traffic disasters already so can't imagine what'll be like with heaps of 9 storey apartments. You won't be able to get in or out by car. You won't be able to park anywhere if you can.

Real issue is a lack of PT investment that should have started 50 years ago (or more).
Public transport here is diabolical compared to the EU and places like Hong Kong and Singapore. It's not sexy to build a train line or tram route.
Even the level crossing removal project is a road project.
There's been very minimal investment in improving services on the railway. Flashy stations with pretty colours and glass, but not much for Thomas to toot about.
The other thing we need to do is get people out of Melbourne but enable faster trains to commute to the CBD. I used high speed a lot in Spain when i lived there for work. My GM used to live in Lille (France) and commute to London everyday. Imagine commuting from Swan Hill, Portland or Bairnsdale to Melbourne in a little over an hour.
The political numpties here couldn't comprehend doing that.
 
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Just to put an end to this silly debate, we have a dictionary from nearly 300 years ago calling plant milk- milk. & a dictionary from today calling plant milk- milk.
But some on here don't think we should call plant milk- milk?

Any other long standing dictionary definitions people want changed?

Well, I suppose you'll have to redefine mammal now.

DS
 
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The whole density thing in and around transport hubs makes sense on face value eg Camberwell, Ringwood whatever. But the reality is that unlike places like NYC, Paris, London etc we do not have the high level PT coverage like they do. You can just about get anywhere in those cities on PT. Not so in Melbourne.

To that end, people in apartments still require a car - or at least they seem to feel they do.

Must admit, pretty hard to go to Bunnings or IKEA or take the kids to some schools out in the burbs on a train or tram, or get to a golf course or whatever on PT.

Places like Camberwell - Bourke Road are traffic disasters already so can't imagine what'll be like with heaps of 9 storey apartments. You won't be able to get in or out by car. You won't be able to park anywhere if you can.

Real issue is a lack of PT investment that should have started 50 years ago (or more).

The thing is that they need to have a look at what is being built.

In my area they have built a couple of 12 storey apartment blocks on a main road. They were talking about this on the radio and someone rang in stating that most of the apartments in the latest high rise have not sold, they can't get rid of them at the price they are willing to sell. Now, you have to ask, why is this? Well, look at the apartments they build. Little 1 bedroom closets that no-one buys to live in and no-one wants to rent.

What they need to be looking at is how we get more density without completely screwing up the suburbs.

They need to look at European cities. In the middle of Paris or Madrid you see 6 storey apartment blocks. They are built around a courtyard which means natural light from both directions. They have 2 and 3 bedroom apartments where you can actually raise a kid or two. That is what can fix the housing crisis, not the profit driven crap that is being put up at the moment.

Also, the development needs to be appropriate. My street is mainly houses. There are a couple of 70s, 80s apartment blocks (3 storeys) but the rest is mainly single storey houses dating back to the 1880s/1890s boom, plus some later ones which look to be 1930s-1940s. But, we are close to a main road. Now our council, or more accurately the development is good bureaucrats, want to see high rise apartments all over the place. When we object they claim we don't understand the housing shortages. But just about everyone I have talked to has no problem with, say, 4 storey apartments with decent sized dwellings, along main roads. It is the high rises full of 1 bedroom cupboards that we all object to.

Plus, the way that Australian governments have abandoned social housing was always going to be a disaster. And, so it has turned out. Build more social housing. Not far from me they pulled down some of the old 3 storey commission flats and replaced them with new 3 storey flats, I hope they are still social housing. This is what needs to be done on a very large scale - build social housing, heaps of it, now.

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Public transport here is diabolical compared to the EU and places like Hong Kong and Singapore. It's not sexy to build a train line or tram route.
Even the level crossing removal project is a road project.
There's been very minimal investment in improving services on the railway. Flashy stations with pretty colours and glass, but not much for Thomas to toot about.
The other thing we need to do is get people out of Melbourne but enable faster trains to commute to the CBD. I used high speed a lot in Spain when i lived there for work. My GM used to live in Lille (France) and commute to London everyday. Imagine commuting from Swan Hill, Portland or Bairnsdale to Melbourne in a little over an hour.
The political numpties here couldn't comprehend doing that.
Some of those Euro places are seriously pushy friendly, also helps people to get around when they don't have the urban sprawl that Oz cites have. Hell of a lot of double story attached housing with bugger all of the Oz front n back yard or 30 n 40 square McMansions that everyone wants.
Took a holiday in Nam early this year, first stop in Ho Chi city n their overhead railway system is massive. None of this Melb nimby protests n dramas about putting up a couple of train overpasses to get rid of crossings.
 
The other thing we need to do is get people out of Melbourne but enable faster trains to commute to the CBD.
no Fast Trains in this country is more than a little thing that annoys me, it's a big thing
it's a real sign of how dumb we can be
we basically did the opposite and dismantled the rail system into rural areas
Lindsay Fox and his trucks huh? and our love of cars. and they just get bigger...
 
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Public transport here is diabolical compared to the EU and places like Hong Kong and Singapore. It's not sexy to build a train line or tram route.
Even the level crossing removal project is a road project.
There's been very minimal investment in improving services on the railway. Flashy stations with pretty colours and glass, but not much for Thomas to toot about.
The other thing we need to do is get people out of Melbourne but enable faster trains to commute to the CBD. I used high speed a lot in Spain when i lived there for work. My GM used to live in Lille (France) and commute to London everyday. Imagine commuting from Swan Hill, Portland or Bairnsdale to Melbourne in a little over an hour.
The political numpties here couldn't comprehend doing that.
In fairness, the current Vic government is building 2 train lines that will help.
And level crossing removals allow more trains to run- most lines were hamstrung by level crossings meaning trains could only run every 10 minutes (or something)- otherwise the crossing would be permanently shut to cars in peak hour. Now the frequency is only limited by train availability, station capacity and $$$$.
 
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In fairness, the current Vic government is building 2 train lines that will help.
And level crossing removals allow more trains to run- most lines were hamstrung by level crossings meaning trains could only run every 10 minutes (or something)- otherwise the crossing would be permanently shut to cars in peak hour. Now the frequency is only limited by train availability, station capacity and $$$$.
I'm assuming you're referring to metro tunnel (not so much a new line, but new tunnel creating capacity elsewhere) Nd Suburban rail loop.

SRL will no doubt help, in about 15-20 years and will most like take some passengers off buses (eg folks bus between Clayton and Box Hill for example). What we really need is better technology on existing lines to increase capacity, especially if we build lots of apartments adjacent to rail corridors.
 
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I'm assuming you're referring to metro tunnel (not so much a new line, but new tunnel creating capacity elsewhere) Nd Suburban rail loop.

SRL will no doubt help, in about 15-20 years and will most like take some passengers off buses (eg folks bus between Clayton and Box Hill for example). What we really need is better technology on existing lines to increase capacity, especially if we build lots of apartments adjacent to rail corridors.


Isn't the new signalling system currently being tested, supposed to enable increased capacity (via increased train frequency)
 
I'm assuming you're referring to metro tunnel (not so much a new line, but new tunnel creating capacity elsewhere) Nd Suburban rail loop.

SRL will no doubt help, in about 15-20 years and will most like take some passengers off buses (eg folks bus between Clayton and Box Hill for example). What we really need is better technology on existing lines to increase capacity, especially if we build lots of apartments adjacent to rail corridors.
Personally, I dont see SRL helping much, if at all. Unless you are going to the airport, then who otherwise is travelling between Cheltenham to Box Hill and places like Burwood and Reservoir etc ?
 
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We went to the Maroondah Festival on Sunday. The price of food & drinks was eye watering. Plus the cost of tickets for rides etc. was also staggering.
At the pub the other week I got a pint of lemonade for Snuppers. $11. I had to ask twice if that was correct.

1.25l of Schweppes lemonade at Dan Murphy's is .......$2.79.
 
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Personally, I dont see SRL helping much, if at all. Unless you are going to the airport, then who otherwise is travelling between Cheltenham to Box Hill and places like Burwood and Reservoir etc ?
Anyone going to the unis at those places- or hospitals.
It also mean someone on the Cheltenham line doesnt need to go all the way to Richmond to get somewhere on the Glen Waverly or Box Hill lines.
 
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Anyone going to the unis at those places- or hospitals.
It also mean someone on the Cheltenham line doesnt need to go all the way to Richmond to get somewhere on the Glen Waverly or Box Hill lines.
Yeah. Nah. People I know going to Uni out there already live out that way.

The biggest travel movement is still in and out of the centre of the city and across it. The SRL caters only to the airport in that respect.
 
We have just gone to FOGO (Food Organics Garden Organics)

1 240 litre yellow lid recycle bin emptied every fortnight
1 240 litre green lid FOGO bin emptied weekly
1 140 litre red general waste bin every fortnight !!

its a joke, we wouldnt fill the FOGO bin in 2 months ! got a worm farm for peelings etc
We need to get the food waste out of the general waste. If food waste was a country it would be the third biggest emitter of green house gases. That’s the starting point that can reduce waste.

Coles and Woolies red cycle debacle was scary. Those two drive what brands use for packaging and they actually set the plastics and recycling agenda.