Liam McBean | PUNT ROAD END | Richmond Tigers Forum
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Liam McBean

tigerlove said:
Yep that's the crux of it. Topped the VFL goal kicking list but up until 3 weeks ago he had been given just 2 (part) games at AFL level. Then he's expected to turn the world alight in a couple more AFL games otherwise banished back to the VFL and replaced by a long-term underachiever who doesn't really want to play AFL footy at a time when our results over the next 5 weeks mean nothing except for the coach's job security.

Yep, believe he was equal with Sam Grimley in the goalkicking. The same Sam Grimley that can't get a game for Essendon at the moment. Just because you kick goals in the 2s doesn't mean that you'll make it in the AFL.
 
easy said:
The execution of Beany is extraordinary.

I picked 3 great CHF's and 1 who got lucky in a great side and looked at their 5 game averages. I picked them without knowing their numbers. No selecting stats to prove my point.

Dermie, Jon Brown, Buddy and Mooney

Dermie 4M 12D 2G
JB 2M 5D 0G
Moons 1M 4D 0G
Buddy 3M 10D 1G

theirs 14 flags at CHF between those blokes. probably only Derm would have passed PRE's expectations.

Beanie 2M 5D 0G. SO Bean outstats Jon Brown and Moons (5 flags, CHF's) on the 5 game averages.

Of course, 5 game averages are entirely absurd. Which is my point.

blah blah blah.
Think you might have missed a couple of simple n relevant little pieces of info easy.

How old were n how long had the various players you've listed been in the VFL / AFL system by the time they'd completed their inglorious five game career starts?

Beanies a couple of weeks off twenty two years old n been in system nearly four years, he's got roughly seventy VFL games under his belt at this stage. How does that compare with the players you've quoted as having minimal impact to start their careers?
 
I Can't work it out. A underachiever like Edwards gets 8 years to prove he isn't up to it.
This tall bean pole gets the boot after 3 games, the club is screwed
 
Rancey18 said:
The difference is that those blokes had games pumped into them from a young age and were persisted with. McBean hasnt.

thats the difference? so if McBean had games pumped into him as an 18yo he would be starring now?

it is not experience holding McBean back it is a lack strength and/or speed. he has neither at this point and regardless of whether he ahd played 5 or 50 games by now he still would have neither and would still struggle to get a kick.

if/when he gets at least one of those attributes he will probably be a decent player.
 
easy said:
YOU CANT JUDGE A TALL ON 5 GAMES. Simple. Full stop.

there were a few posters, or maybe just a couple of very vocal ones, who were quite happy to judge McBean on 0 games.
 
Brodders17 said:
thats the difference? so if McBean had games pumped into him as an 18yo he would be starring now?

it is not experience holding McBean back it is a lack strength and/or speed. he has neither at this point and regardless of whether he ahd played 5 or 50 games by now he still would have neither and would still struggle to get a kick.

if/when he gets at least one of those attributes he will probably be a decent player.

rubbish. needs games at the level and will settle nicely.
 
Brodders17 said:
there were a few posters, or maybe just a couple of very vocal ones, who were quite happy to judge McBean on 0 games.
Bull *smile* Brodders. No one said he was an all Australian in the making. All they've said is his performance at VFL level has warranted a decent run at AFL level to develop him. He has talent and the exposed form has shown he's more likely than not got the skills to make it.
 
The_General said:
Bull sh!t Brodders. No one said he was an all Australian in the making. All they've said is his performance at VFL level has warranted a decent run at AFL level to develop him. He has talent and the exposed form has shown he's more likely than not got the skills to make it.

in fairness to Brodders General, some of us have cranked the hype machine up to 11 on occasion :hihi

all *smile* aside, i think we have a genuine talent that needs to be nurtured and given every opportunity.

he still has time, unlike what many here are suggesting.
 
Brodders17 said:
thats the difference? so if McBean had games pumped into him as an 18yo he would be starring now?

it is not experience holding McBean back it is a lack strength and/or speed. he has neither at this point and regardless of whether he ahd played 5 or 50 games by now he still would have neither and would still struggle to get a kick.

if/when he gets at least one of those attributes he will probably be a decent player.
I didnt say he'd be starring. Im saying that he hasnt been given the chance others have been afforded at AFL level.

Im sure you'll ascertain from what i just said that I'm implying he'd be an AA now or some bs though.
 
Brodders17 said:
there were a few posters, or maybe just a couple of very vocal ones, who were quite happy to judge McBean on 0 games.

clearly you can be bullish about a youngster. especially when its humourous.

I stand by the statement, to judge a young tall after 5 senior games is foolish.

pretty sure 99% of people who has some semblance of knowledge of the game would agree with that.

TigerMasochist said:
Think you might have missed a couple of simple n relevant little pieces of info easy.

How old were n how long had the various players you've listed been in the VFL / AFL system by the time they'd completed their inglorious five game career starts?

Beanies a couple of weeks off twenty two years old n been in system nearly four years, he's got roughly seventy VFL games under his belt at this stage. How does that compare with the players you've quoted as having minimal impact to start their careers?

brodders made the same point which i responded to on prev page TM. I agreed its relevant, to a degree.
 
Tigers of Old said:
5 game averages are absurd but all of those players had either athletic gifts or aggression. Which of these two traits does Beanie have despite being taller than all of them?

Beanie, from VFL accounts, and what ive seen, seems to be very agile and deft for a tall. Thats athletic gifts isnt it oldie.

I have to reiterate, I wasnt comparing players with each other, I was demonstrating the stupidity of judging on 5 game stats.

I augmented my argument further by including Stephen Juricas 5 game stats, which clearly surpassed JonBrown and Moons.

Juricas only gift was an arse that made Clokeys look like the big M girls.
 
The_General said:
Bull sh!t Brodders. No one said he was an all Australian in the making. All they've said is his performance at VFL level has warranted a decent run at AFL level to develop him. He has talent and the exposed form has shown he's more likely than not got the skills to make it.

McBean's claim to fame on PRE is that he is becoming the only player selected to play seniors that Brodders has ever criticized
 
jb03 said:
McBean's claim to fame on PRE is that he is becoming the only player selected to play seniors that Brodders has ever criticized

Brodders is just stating facts. Fighting the hype. Brightsiders are really just realists calling it like it is. Many are confusing the mocking of the McBeanites with criticism of the kid. Two very different things.
 
Funny how all the 'bright siders' around here saw Vickery as the second coming.

They're adorable. Tin ears for footy, but adorable.
 
Baron Samedi said:
Funny how all the 'bright siders' around here saw Vickery as the second coming.

They're adorable. Tin ears for footy, but adorable.

Who saw Ty as the second coming? No-one that I can remember.

You've got a tin ear for PREnd.