Liam McBean

[Silent Bob]

But do you know what playing a guy who everyone else knows doesn't deserve it (just ask Jack) does to a culture. Ask Melbourne around tanking.

It devalues the jumper. It doesn't hit the ground Dimmer says. *smile* it doesn't.

Old mate Dimmer needs to read the tea leaves on his oh so failed coaching career. At least go out with some dignity and drop blokes who deserve it.

If Vickery is picked ahead of Bean next week he can never ever look at the mirror again and say he gave coaching Richmond his best shot.

Exactly Leysy. It devalues the entire culture, every player in the seniors who is trying his guts out, and every player in the ressies who is busting his ass to get promoted. I don't know how TV can look his team mate in the eye after his recent performances. Gives nothing.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Beanie kicked one goal and had an early goal assist in the ressies game.
Ty kicked one goal n had a goal assist in the seniors game.
Apart from the fact that Ty played at the higher and more difficult level, it seems to me that both players kinda stunk it up a bit.

ridiculous.

getting more ridiculous by the day.

 

[taztiger4]

Might need to get the head out of the sand mate.

Interesting to see if your as kind to Vickery when he's at another club next year.

Still has kicked 20 for the year.

Above or equal to the likes of Ben Brown, Shane Kersten, Drew Petrie, Joe Daniher etc etc etc

Im not picking a fight here, just saying that his output over the year has been reasonable

 

[Barnzy]

Still has kicked 20 for the year.

Above or equal to the likes of Ben Brown, Shane Kersten, Drew Petrie, Joe Daniher etc etc etc

Im not picking a fight here, just saying that his output over the year has been reasonable

Because he hangs out the back of packs cherry picking. When he's not kicking his 1 or 2 shots for the match he's a total liability. Doesn't get involved around the ground, put on defensive pressure, etc. disposals, marks, you name it all near career lows. He's checked out. Every one but Dimma can see it. Reasonable output? No way.

If I'm sitting in the 2's watching the prancing princess get a free ride for 2 and 4 disposal games while I've been ignored for years of good form then my hope, confidence and subsequently output would drop off a little as well.

 

[easy_tiger]

Beaner needs rebranding. The Messiah thing hasnt worked.

Maybe he could be the new Paul Salmon, without the fish reference?

'The Bean' could subliminally prevent him becoming 'The Been'

I dunno, what do you blokes reckon?

 

[AngryAnt]

It seems to me that you were trying to make the point that people have made too much of his 6 quarters of footy.

When the point I was trying to make is that it is ridiculous to say that at some point in 150 games of footy, Griff and Ty have shown something that Beanie in 6 quarters hasn't. I.e. that 6 quarters of footy is an absurdly small and insignificant sample size to be assessing AFL quality.

And as you seemed to be pointing out that you can't gauge much from 6 quarters too, you seem to be in agreement, which is in relative contradiction to your general tone on this thread.

Or, more likely, you were just taking sarcastically hyperbolic potshots in any random direction, which would be more in keeping with the norm.

Good analysis.

 

[tigerlove]

yes I saw it & from a pretty good vantage point I may add

BTW did you see Tys huge block on the GC defender in the 1st that enabled Grigga ?? an easy mark ?

Not saying he was great, but did a couple of things that go unnoticed

Seriously taztiger, you cannot defends Vickery's efforts. He is deplorable. There is a reason he only played 58 minutes game time, he can't hide it anymore, maybe even Hardwick is finally getting fed up? NO-ONE in any other team could put up such a pathetic display of lack of EFFORT as Vickery has done this year and kept his spot for every game. Vickery was dropped last year, he should be dropped again. ANyone can take his place, McBean, Maric, geez replace him with a small, who cares at this stage. He can't be continually rewarded for his clear lack of desire to play for the Tiger jumper.

 

[Rosy]

Why does the McBean thread have to be the Vickery thread? Disappointing Liam seemingly didn't stand up when it was so important for him to back up.

 

[tigerlove]

Why does the McBean thread have to be the Vickery thread? Disappointing Liam seemingly didn't stand up when it was so important for him to back up.

I think it's pretty obvious. One is getting a game at the expense of the other, so naturally discussion on both Vickery and McBean threads has a fair amount of discussion about the other.

 

[mrposhman]

Still has kicked 20 for the year.

Above or equal to the likes of Ben Brown, Shane Kersten, Drew Petrie, Joe Daniher etc etc etc

Im not picking a fight here, just saying that his output over the year has been reasonable

The guys played 114 games and should be in his prime years as a player. I'm no sure if you are serious comparing his out put to Brown (played 45 games for the same output), Kerston (played 31 games for the same output in less games), Daniher (near enough the same output playing as No. 1 forward in the worst team in the league) and Petrie who is finished IMO. All of these guys do more around the ground than Vickery does too, at least they crash packs and bring the ball to ground (which doesn't carry a stat) whereas Vickery regularly just watches the defender take a mark.

I can't believe that anyone can actually defend him. His goalscoring output for what he should be (2nd tall forward, should be in his prime) is barely serviceable, but when you add that to the rest of his game, his performances are totally unacceptable and indefensible IMO.

 

[Rosy]

I don't think it has to be a case of one at the expense of the other. I'd prefer Liam stood up and demanded a spot. Being emergency last week should have been a real carrot for him but it sounds like he didn't grab it. Nothing to do with other players.

 

[tigerlove]

I don't think it has to be a case of one at the expense of the other. I'd prefer Liam stood up and demanded a spot. Being emergency last week should have been a real carrot for him but it sounds like he didn't grab it. Nothing to do with other players.

Of course it doesn't have to be one at the expense of the other but that's the belief of many who have discussed it. I personally believe it's a logical choice, both talls, both play full forward, both not setting the world on fire, one who has been given plenty of chances at AFL level and one who hasn't. I'm just explaining why there is a lot of Vickery talk on the McBean thread and vice versa. It seems logical to have a lot of discussion in this way.

 

[seven]

Had his chance to push into the side but failed
Pea hearted.

 

[BiddiscombeSkills]

I don't think it has to be a case of one at the expense of the other. I'd prefer Liam stood up and demanded a spot. Being emergency last week should have been a real carrot for him but it sounds like he didn't grab it. Nothing to do with other players.

Of course it has to be one at the expense of the other.

If Liam's going to come into the team, whether he's "demanding" an opportunity or otherwise, it has to be at the expense of someone else.

And given there's a chronically underperforming guy who plays in the same position in the seniors, why would the discussion be about anyone else?

Oh and fwiw, after watching Liam's game first hand again this week, I'd suggest that that he's being very harshly marked by a few. Sure he wasn't best on ground, but he was busy, and made a solid contribution to the win.

Would he be an upgrade on Vickery right now? Yes - there's no doubt in my mind that he would. So if we're picking the team based on best available player across each position, he should take Vickery's spot.

What's the worst that could happen - a 3 possession no-impact game or two?

 

[hutstar]

I don't think it has to be a case of one at the expense of the other. I'd prefer Liam stood up and demanded a spot. Being emergency last week should have been a real carrot for him but it sounds like he didn't grab it. Nothing to do with other players.

Yeah, it pretty much does have to be one at the expense of the other. The last thing we need is another tall in there. I know McBean is super mobile, but unless he is prepared to play out of the forward line, Vickery or Griffiths has to go for McBean to get a gig. Combine that with Vickery's most recent spell of poor form (ie: he is crap, always has been crap and probably always will be) and it is out Vickery, in McBean - or someone else.

 

[Baloo]

That Princess plasma should be dropped is not a question. It's a fact. But that doesn't have to mean McJesus is the only player who can possibly be elevated.

The same way that it's time McJesus is given a string of games in the seniors to show his stuff, but that doesn't mean he can only come in if Princess is dropped.

They two are lining up nicely now but it's not a given. We played better without the 3rd tall forward in the last yesterday, there is a case to be made that 2 talls is all we need.

 

[tigerlove]

That Princess plasma should be dropped is not a question. It's a fact. But that doesn't have to mean McJesus is the only player who can possibly be elevated.

The same way that it's time McJesus is given a string of games in the seniors to show his stuff, but that doesn't mean he can only come in if Princess is dropped.

They two are lining up nicely now but it's not a given. We played better without the 3rd tall forward in the last yesterday, there is a case to be made that 2 talls is all we need.

i think that's right, Vickery being dropped doesn't mean McBean is the one who has to get the call up. But I do think UNLESS Vickery is dropped there is no chance McBean will get a game. I can't see all of Reiwoldt, Vickery, Griffiths and McBean in the line up. And Griffiths is playing pretty good footy atm.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Yep Ty not offering much but I'd rather bring in an extra midfielder like Menadue/Markov.

 

[yandb]

There are a few posters with selective memories.

Last year when Vickery was dropped did he stand up and demand a spot in the seniors?

No his performances were lacklustre and Hardwick blinked and gave him his spot back.

So why is there a different standard for McBean.

By the way was his performance yesterday so bad given he played a bit of time in the ruck?

And was it any worse than Vickery last year?

 

[Rosy]

There are a few posters with selective memories.

Last year when Vickery was dropped did he stand up and demand a spot in the seniors?

No his performances were lacklustre and Hardwick blinked and gave him his spot back.

So why is there a different standard for McBean.

By the way was his performance yesterday so bad given he played a bit of time in the ruck?

And was it any worse than Vickery last year?

I don't know about selective memories but I'm sure we'd all appreciate more details about Liam's game yesterday. Feel free to elaborate.